Impeaching the Official Campaign "Poll"

[VoteForRonPaul]

Okay guys, there were some hot threads about the official campaign today here, here, here and here

I have noticed two groups of supporters;

A- This group thinks that the management of this campaign has been inefficient.

B- The other group thinks that the campaign is also inefficient but this group prefers that we should get over it, keep our mouth shut and keep going.


My personal opinion is that we still have 5 months. And this is a long time. If we can find more experienced people to lead this campaign I believe we can achieve some success and sooner is better than later.
What I am suggesting if enough people agree is that we can try to change the management of this campaign through two ways;

First: Signing a petition to impeach this campaign so we can make sure that our voices reaches Ron Paul himself.

Second: Create many websites calling for the impeachment of this management.

If I do trust this campaign ofcourse I would not suggest any different ways to reach Ron Paul but unfortunately this campaign has taught some of us not to trust it.

Quoting from the thread of RPPCC March FEC Report just filed (2/1..2/28)

http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/dcdev/forms/C00432914/327711/

1. Ron Paul 2008 Presidential Campaign Committee
3461 Washington Blvd Suite 200
Arlington, Virginia 22201
2. FEC Committee ID #: C00432914
4. Report Type = MAR MONTHLY
5. Covering Period 02/01/2008 Through 02/29/2008
6. Cash on Hand at BEGINNING of the Reporting Period...... 6,002,188.18
7. Total Receipts This Period............................. 1,818,999.54
8. Subtotal (6 + 7)....................................... 7,821,187.72
9. Total Disbursements This Period........................ 2,251,023.09
10. Cash on Hand at CLOSE of the Reporting Period......... 5,570,164.63
11. Debts and Obligations Owed TO the Committee........... 0.00
12. Debts and Obligations Owed BY the Committee........... 0.00
13. Expenditures Subject To Limitation.................... 0.00
14. NET Contributions (Other than Loans).................. 34,157,697.94
15. NET Operating Expenditures............................ 28,735,134.35​

RPPCC Still had $5.5 MILLION on hand as of 2/29.

Here's a breakdown of major expenses (categories over $10K) for FEBRUARY:

Television Spot Expense/Production............... 559,195.00
Telecommunications............................... 290,586.22
Reimbursement Expenses........................... 215,152.61
Freight/Shipping Expenses........................ 165,676.47
Salaries......................................... 161,427.52
Payroll Tax Expense.............................. 161,320.07
Credit Card Contributions Processing Fee......... 148,527.50
Airline Travel................................... 91,979.99
Consulting-Political Field Work.................. 82,374.74
Bulk Mail Printing/Processing/Postage............ 77,504.40
Print Advertising................................ 50,000.00
Travel-Hotel Accomodations....................... 45,369.61
Petition Coordination............................ 43,433.61
Signs/Sign Supplies.............................. 42,595.47
Books/Magazines.................................. 40,000.00
Rent Expense..................................... 31,588.32
Ballot Access Coordinator........................ 27,633.43
Petitioner....................................... 24,849.75
Travel-Car Rental................................ 24,419.13
Food Expense..................................... 22,004.86
Telephone Expense................................ 21,902.43
Mileage Expense.................................. 16,045.48
Catering......................................... 15,342.53
Political Field Work............................. 14,127.00
Office Supplies.................................. 13,031.57
Media Expense.................................... 13,009.14
Accounting Services.............................. 10,833.45
Radio Spot Expense............................... 10,288.60
Credit Card Payment.............................. 10,004.52
​

Please take a moment and cast your vote on this critical issue.
Do you agree on impeaching the heads of the official campaign?


No, I trust the campaign

Yes

No, let us get over it.

Yes, because "get over it" is never a solution

Maybe, if it was earlier in the race

 

[d03boy]

You would have to pay a new campaign. Better get your wallet out.

 

[Sandra]

Vote for Ron Paul, you are now on my ignore list. Quit this crap!

 

[runningdiz]

what a waste of space... post something constructive...

 

[VoteForRonPaul]

Vote for Ron Paul, you are now on my ignore list.

If this is the price of freedom and change then I am so proud to be on your ignore list!

 

[VoteForRonPaul]

You would have to pay a new campaign. Better get your wallet out.

I am so ready. But how many people in the campaign need to be changed you think? 2, 4, 6 how many?

 

[Fields]

hahha this is funny

 

[Ladred]

Pessimism at its best. You're quickly becoming a troll who neglects to provide anything more to a discussion than negative rhetoric. Things could have been done better in the campaign, of course, but this amount of destructive criticism is just your poor use of spare time, and a waste of other reader's time here.

Thank VB there is a way to ignore you. If others here share my point of view, then please click Buddy / Ignore Lists and add this troll to your ignore list.

 

[RollOn2day]

I am so ready. But how many people in the campaign need to be changed you think? 2, 4, 6 how many?

One...Ron Paul.

Impeach staff?? What the **#@!

You don't impeach them....you fire them and then only if you are Ron Paul.

Don't you think you better ask the man if he even wants to continue running?

 

[VoteForRonPaul]

.. post something constructive...

How do you define being constructive?

If we cannot even impeach our campaign' leaders who granted us failure and ignored alot of us, so how do you think we will impeach Bush and Cheney?

 

[Ladred]

Because your definition of "failure" isn't the same as I would believe the majority that visit these forums.

 

[jrich4rpaul]

And what exactly is the point of this now?

 

[TruthAtLast]

what do you think you are going to accomplish? You're probably just going to piss off and insult Ron Paul and there isn't much the official campaign is doing at this point anyway. Most of the Movement is being done by the Grassroots and that has been the case for some time now.

I wouldn't just say "get over it", I'd say "who the hell cares?"
Are you saying they have to be perfect? Flawless? Of course mistakes were made (though not just by them I might add). Ron Paul made some mistakes.... should we impeach him too?

If you don't want to use them for the next election in 4 years, fine. If you don't want to donate to any organization they are involved with (like LPAC), fine. If you don't want to support any more money bombs for the campaign, fine! But this Movement is NOT based on the success or failure of the Presidential Campaign or the people who are running it.

Why the hell are you wasting time when there is work to do? Come up with your OWN organization and then you wont have to worry about the HQ.

 

[runningdiz]

How do you define being constructive?

If we cannot even impeach our campaign' leaders who granted us failure and ignored alot of us, so how do you think we will impeach Bush and Cheney?

The Campaign leaders were not elected they were chosen by Ron. So how do YOU have the authority or any of us to impeach anyone on the official campaign? What your suggesting is very childish and makes you look completely unintelligent.

 

[VoteForRonPaul]

what do you think you are going to accomplish? You're probably just going to piss off and insult Ron Paul

I think Ron Paul is more intelligent than to be pissed off of something like this.

and there isn't much the official campaign is doing at this point anyway. Most of the Movement is being done by the Grassroots and that has been the case for some time now.

So why keep those people who are doing nothing? Why, if it is in our hands to change them and bring other people who might do a better job in the time left. Why we force ourselves to accept the wrong people? If it is in my hand to change Bush today I would not hesitate to but I would never say oh let us wait until he finishes his term. I do not mean to insult the campaign leaders, they might be good people or semi-good people, but this has nothing to do with achieving success.

I wouldn't just say "get over it", I'd say "who the hell cares?"
Are you saying they have to be perfect? Flawless? Of course mistakes were made (though not just by them I might add). Ron Paul made some mistakes.... should we impeach him too?

Yes Ron Paul has done many mistakes but comparing the good things he has done in his position through the past years, those mistakes will appear so little.

If you don't want to use them for the next election in 4 years, fine. If you don't want to donate to any organization they are involved with (like LPAC), fine. If you don't want to support any more money bombs for the campaign, fine! But this Movement is NOT based on the success or failure of the Presidential Campaign or the people who are running it.
Why the hell are you wasting time when there is work to do? Come up with your OWN organization and then you wont have to worry about the HQ.

Everybody has to care about the HQ.
The importance of a successful campaign is so impossible to ignore and I do not think I even need to explain how important is this because it is so obvious. I guess

 

[ryanmkeisling]

I do not even understand what you are trying to say here? Impeach who? How do you expect to go about this? With the results of some poll that surely does do not represent even a small percentage of the people involved in this movement? You spend too much time on the internet if you can find meaning in what you are trying to accomplish; I am still trying to figure out what that is exactly.

Ron Paul will stand by the decisions he has made and those of his staff. People are pissed I am sure but this is absolutely ridiculous. There are a lot more people and organizations to blame if this campaign fails. I would think that HQ is the least of those. It is real easy to sit behind a computer on a forum and be critical of others where you are nameless and faceless. I never understood this to be a democratic process, regarding who runs the campaign, nor should it be.

 

[VoteForRonPaul]

If we cannot even impeach our campaign' leaders who granted us failure and ignored alot of us, so how do you think we will impeach Bush and Cheney?

The Campaign leaders were not elected they were chosen by Ron. So how do YOU have the authority or any of us to impeach anyone on the official campaign?...........

Well, Bush chose his vice president.

Nobody claim to have authority, if we have a real authority, this campaign should have been fired long time ago! Are you leaving the main subject and just holding in the term"impeachment". Well, you are free to change it with any term suites you.
All I wanted is that the voice of the non-satisfied supporters would reach strong to Ron Paul and let him know that a large number of his supporters are not satisifed with the performance of his campaign.
I do not see anything wrong with that but the opposite is true.

covering up the mess which this campaign created and demand a change!

 

[mketcher]

Here are the problems with changing horses in mid-stream

There are several problems with "impeaching" the campaign.

First, how are you measuring the success or failure of Ron Paul's campaign? He's still in the race, after all the others have dropped out, so you could say that his campaign has been the second most successful campaign in the entire Republican party. The fact that RP doesn't have more delegates, primary wins, money -- or wwhatever criteria you're using to measure the success or failure of the campaign -- can't necessarily be blamed on the official campaign.

Second, hindsight is 20-20. It's easy to point fingers and say the campaign should have done this or should have done that. However, at the time, they did what they thought was best. Remember, this campaign -- with its strong Internet presence, its huge grassroots support, the spontaneity of the support that RP received -- was unlike any other campaign in history. Having some professional political hired guns, with no particular ideological leanings towards RP -- may have been ineffective, maybe even counterproductive, for all we know. Guiliani, Thompson, Huckabee, Romney, all had such experts on their staff ... and look where they are now.

Third, all of the other campaigns, including McCain's and Obama's, have hired the professional gunslingers -- and they've still made serious mistakes. McCain's FEC problems will come back to haunt him. Obama's past associations are now haunting him.

I'm sure everyone agrees that in hindsight, things might have been done differently, but to think that there's some political guru, or some group of political gurus, that could be hired, or could have been hired, to perform a miracle, doesn't strike me as being realistic. Running a campaign for president is not an exact science, and it never will be.

Finally, you're criticizing the campaign without knowing the full details. For all we know, Ron Paul and the campaign has a strategy that it's not fully revealing, in order to catch the opposition off-guard. Don't assume that everything is as it seems on the surface. It may be; it may not be.

 

[Kotin]

give me my minute back.

 

[-lotus-]

its a shame that ive been having to add so many 'senior' members to my ignore list...

*sigh*