Immigration

[Superfluous Man]

Your friend would need to get permission to join our society and America is overpopulated with big government lovers, we don't need or want any more to come here.

You have no right to demand that they get your permission except when it comes to your property.

 

[Swordsmyth]

You have no right to demand that they get your permission except when it comes to your property.

I have every right to demand it because they will be allowed to participate in imposing their beliefs on me through politics.

 

[RJB]

You have no right to demand that they get your permission except when it comes to your property.

How do you feel about the mass importation of people who are against the 2nd Amendment? Is an invading army who wishes to violently disarm me different from people who vote to violently disarm me?

 

[ATruepatriot]

I have every right to demand it because they will be allowed to participate in imposing their beliefs on me through politics.

The problem is indirect. They will vote in those who will indeed take away your private property or make it economically unaffordable to keep it. So it is indirectly a threat to your private property anyhow.

 

[Swordsmyth]

The problem is indirect. They will vote in those who will indeed take away your private property or make it economically unaffordable to keep it. So it is indirectly a threat to your private property anyhow.

Exactly, and if we had an anarchy they would get together and impose a government.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Oh boy, I can't wait until America looks like this:



GTFO.

At 0.7% current population growth rate, it would take us 200 years to have the same population India currently has. And we are larger so even longer to get to the same population density they have.

 

[ATruepatriot]

At 0.7% current population growth rate, it would take us 200 years to have the same population India currently has. And we are larger so even longer to get to the same population density they have.

Please explain so that I understand the total disconnect here. How did economic displacement become confused with physical displacement? lol

 

[nobody's_hero]

Overpopulation is a myth.

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If getting the most freedom possible is your goal, you probably want lower density. I challenge you to find one instance where freedom expanded as cities grew. Ever wonder why urban areas overwhelmingly vote for nanny-staters?


Living out in the country, I can:


Shoot fireworks.

Shoot guns.

Start a bon fire.

Play loud music.

Ride 4 wheelers.

Run around naked.

Have a chicken coop.

Build a survival bunker.


In the city, well, I have do gooder neighbors who don't like fun, and demand ordinances to restrain each other. I challenge you to find any instance where people living in a city have more freedom than rural bumpkins. Granted, eventually things will get that way everywhere, 'you can't stop progress', but no need to speed it along.

 

[ATruepatriot]

If getting the most freedom possible is your goal, you probably want lower density. I challenge you to find one instance where freedom expanded as cities grew. Ever wonder why urban areas overwhelmingly vote for nanny-staters?


Living out in the country, I can:


Shoot fireworks.

Shoot guns.

Start a bon fire.

Play loud music.

Ride 4 wheelers.

Run around naked.

Have a chicken coop.

Build a survival bunker.


In the city, well, I have do gooder neighbors who don't like fun, and demand ordinances to restrain each other. I challenge you to find any instance where people living in a city have more freedom than rural bumpkins. Granted, eventually things will get that way everywhere, 'you can't stop progress', but no need to speed it along.

Very good and absolutely. And the worst thing is it is happening already. The one size fits all codes that they think are needed in the urban cities are being forced on rural folks where they don't even apply. In this way they are forcing this failed culture of oppression on those of us who do not have these social cultural problems because of density. I also challenge someone to come up with just one example of how denser demographics and local urban governments are freer than rural demographics. It cannot be done. One is free, the other is self enslavement.

 

[Philhelm]

India is smaller than the US and more resource poor and their population is a billion more than the US so based on that, we could probably easily support another billion. Domestic population is already growing at a slower rate than it is dying off so without any immigration we will shrink so the number of children in a family is not a problem. Russia is trying to encourage more babies to fight off their declining population.

Shithole countries.

 

[Sammy]

1)Repeal Birthright citizenship & end welfare for immigrants
2)Reduce legal immigration & deport all illegal immigrants
3)Build a wall & Ban Muslim immigration

 

[Superfluous Man]

If getting the most freedom possible is your goal....

It isn't.

My first goal isn't to better my own lot by any means necessary, even if it means doing wrong to someone else. My first goal is to not wrong someone else, even if I think I could improve my lot by wronging them.

While I disagree with your prescription as a means of attaining that goal anyway, and think that allowing other people to do what they want as long as they aren't violating others' rights would end up benefiting me too in the end, that isn't my main goal.

 

[Swordsmyth]

It isn't.

My first goal isn't to better my own lot by any means necessary, even if it means doing wrong to someone else. My first goal is to not wrong someone else, even if I think I could improve my lot by wronging them.

While I disagree with your prescription as a means of attaining that goal anyway, and think that allowing other people to do what they want as long as they aren't violating others' rights would end up benefiting me too in the end, that isn't my main goal.

They are violating our rights and there is nothing wrong with keeping them out.

 

[RJB]

That's very noble. You should become a guru, move to India, and meditate on a world of butterflies, rainbows and unicorns.

It isn't.

My first goal isn't to better my own lot by any means necessary, even if it means doing wrong to someone else. My first goal is to not wrong someone else, even if I think I could improve my lot by wronging them.

While I disagree with your prescription as a means of attaining that goal anyway, and think that allowing other people to do what they want as long as they aren't violating others' rights would end up benefiting me too in the end, that isn't my main goal.

 

[Superfluous Man]

That's very noble. You should become a guru, move to India, and meditate on a world of butterflies, rainbows and unicorns.

Or I could be a Christian, which is what I already am.

Do you think Jesus should have done all those things you said too?

 

[RJB]

Or I could be a Christian, which is what I already am.

Do you think Jesus should have done all those things you said too?

We are allowed to defend ourselves, our way of life, and that of our offspring. Have you read the history of nations with weak borders? What exactly have I said that you think God would disagree?

And again: How is an invasion by an army that wishes to violently disarm me different from mass immigration that will vote to have me violently disarmed?

 

[Superfluous Man]

We are allowed to defend ourselves, our way of life, and that of our offspring. Have you read the history of nations with weak borders? What exactly have I said that you think God would disagree?

And again: How is an invasion by an army that wishes to violently disarm me different from mass immigration that will vote to have me violently disarmed?

What's the reference for the nations with weak borders passage of the Bible that you're talking about?

I think it's clear that pretty much everything you've said on this issue is the diametric opposite of what Jesus taught. I don't see how you can even dispute that.

 

[Swordsmyth]

What's the reference for the nations with weak borders passage of the Bible that you're talking about?

I think it's clear that pretty much everything you've said on this issue is the diametric opposite of what Jesus taught. I don't see how you can even dispute that.

LOL

Why then did he say that anyone without a sword should sell his garment and buy one?

 

[Zippyjuan]

https://www.biblegateway.com/blog/2018/06/what-does-the-bible-say-about-refugees-and-foreigners/

Matthew 25:35-40

For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

“The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’ —(New International Version)

Leviticus 19:33-34

When immigrants live in your land with you, you must not cheat them. Any immigrant who lives with you must be treated as if they were one of your citizens. You must love them as yourself, because you were immigrants in the land of Egypt; I am the Lord your God.

Jeremiah 22:3

The Lord proclaims: Do what is just and right; rescue the oppressed from the power of the oppressor. Don’t exploit or mistreat the refugee, the orphan, and the widow. Don’t spill the blood of the innocent in this place. —(Common English Bible)

 

[Anti Federalist]

Or I could be a Christian, which is what I already am.

Do you think Jesus should have done all those things you said too?

Suicide Christian...Kindness that can kill.