I'm voting Trump for laughs

[erowe1]

Cruz = Goldman Sachs.

What's that mean? Like something about Jews or something?

 

[openfire]

What's that mean? Like something about Jews or something?

If you don't understand the implications of having a President beholden to the owners of the Federal Reserve, then there isn't much I can do to help you.

But keep playing the antisemitism card.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Raises an interesting question: what if we massively refused to participate? My immediate impulse is to conclude that Theye would then do whatever the hell they wanted, any complaint to be met with "you didn't participate, thereby making the voice of your pleasure heard loudly and clearly."

I could turn that around on you: if we massively participated in this idea to vote for Trump, they will read it as "we agreed with and supported everything Donald Trump proposed." And I know all of us don't. I don't. So either way, "they" will make a wrong assumption. I prefer the one that allows me to sleep with a clear conscience.

 

[erowe1]

If you don't understand the implications of having a President beholden to the owners of the Federal Reserve, then there isn't much I can do to help you.

How will he be more beholden to banks than Trump?

And why do you act like that's the only issue out there?

 

[openfire]

How will he be more beholden to them than Trump?

And why do you act like that's the only issue out there?

I don't know if Trump will be, but I know that Cruz will be.

It's not the only issue, but I think it's the most important issue:

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men." -Woodrow Wilson, after signing the Federal Reserve into existence

 

[Danke]

I don't know if Trump will be, but I know that Cruz will be.

It's not the only issue, but I think it's the most important issue:

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men." -Woodrow Wilson, after signing the Federal Reserve into existence

I have no position. But I know that quote is disputed as to whether it is authentic or not.

 

[erowe1]

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men." -Woodrow Wilson, after signing the Federal Reserve into existence

Fake quote.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Whether he is an "insider" or an "outsider" (or "entertaining" or "boring," or a "populist" or a "plant," or X or Y or Z) one thing is absolutely certain: Donald Trump is an authoritarian.

There is neither jot nor tittle to indicate a Trump presidency would be anything other than an exercise in "will to power" authoritarianism (to whatever degree).

However gratifying the schadenfreude one may derive from Trump's candidacy (and of reactions to it), such gratification is wholly orthogonal to the advancement of liberty.

Enjoy it if you will, but do not mistake it for evidence that Trump will be any less injurious to the cause of liberty than he might be to his political nemeses.

In short: Vote Fuck Trump

 

[fcreature]

If you don't understand the implications of having a President beholden to the owners of the Federal Reserve, then there isn't much I can do to help you.

Cruz is certainly a scumbag in his own right, and I will not be voting for him however I can tell you with 100% certainty that he would be infinitely superior to Trump. Cruz at least acknowledges the existence of the Constitution and of our rights. At the very least I know that Cruz has read libertarian, free-market, and Austrian economic theory. I have doubts that Trump has even ever read the Constitution. Cruz is by no means a libertarian and is definitely beholden to the banks, but he does have a history and a record which suggest he'll at least be somewhat in the right direction.

What does Trump have?

 

[AuH20]

 

[openfire]

Fake quote.

But the premise is true.

 

[openfire]

What does Trump have?

No puppet strings.

 

[erowe1]

No puppet strings.

He's a puppeteer.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Frankly I care more about the life issue than even the Federal Reserve, and Cruz does seem to be genuinely pro-life.

Not as much as I would like (I would like a President who would have all the abortion clinics burned down, screw the godless constitution, but that's not going to happen) but I do think that unlike Romney types, that Cruz actually is against abortion. Trump is not.

Again, I'm not saying Cruz is good, and I'm not voting for him, but I do think he's clearly preferable to Trump.

 

[fcreature]

No puppet strings.

Assuming that were true (which it's not), how is that in and of itself, a good thing?

 

[pcosmar]

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So he is a nationalist and a socialist.

as opposed to a Marxist socialist.

so what else is new?

 

[phill4paul]

Whether he is an "insider" or an "outsider" (or "entertaining" or "boring," or a "populist" or a "plant," or X or Y or Z) one thing is absolutely certain: Donald Trump is an authoritarian.

There is neither jot nor tittle to indicate a Trump presidency would be anything other than an exercise in "will to power" authoritarianism (to whatever degree).

However gratifying the schadenfreude one may derive from Trump's candidacy (and of reactions to it), such gratification is wholly orthogonal to the advancement of liberty.

Enjoy it if you will, but do not mistake it for evidence that Trump will be any less injurious to the cause of liberty than he might be to his political nemeses.

In short: Vote Fuck Trump

His executive orders would rival the tax code in size.

 

[AuH20]

So he is a nationalist and a socialist.

as opposed to a Marxist socialist.

so what else is new?

Nationalism acts a natural bulwark against global integration. There will never be a libertarian revolution because daily life doesn't afford one the necessary time to find this hidden path. Hamsters literally can't get off their personal wheels to appraise the situation.

Libertarians want to stick their heads in the sand while this menacing shadow has almost swept across the land. We need to do something. Nationalism brings in incredible numbers to this critical fight that are we incapable of swaying over by logical means. It's either nationalism as a short term measure or it's global technocracy. Pick your poison.

 

[Joeinmo]

I agree ...vote Trump ...the establishment wanted Cruz from the very beginning - it was pretty obvious from the day Cruz announced

 

[pcosmar]

Pick your poison.

I would rather avoid poison.

But I will watch your Nazi State.. and I will testify before the final judge exactly what i see.

I am an observer. and I am a witness.