I'm nervous about the Ron Paul overnight (july 3-4)

[walt]

Where can someone get me signs in Chicago - I live on a busy street and woudl be pleased to put one in my window.

 

[jd603]

You were also the one who brought the rumor here about out-of-staters not being welcomed in Iowa.

Just don't put yard signs in private property. Towns all have different ordinances. I have been putting yard signs in town/city property and haven't had any issues yet. I accidently put one or two in private property and the land owners just removed them (my loss).

Megan makes a point, do it at your own discretion, it's possible you will violate an ordinance putting signs out early. Honestly though, few cops will even write you up for it (or even be familiar with the ordinance), they'll just warn you.

Also, no bumper stickers on street signs or anything like that, no vandalism, yard signs are easily removed and most people will not care about them. This is mostly just common sense stuff.

hi dudes.

I'm nervous about everyone posting signs on the night of july 4th.
After the Ron Paul Iowa event, it's so striking how eager the press is to misrepresent RP's supporters--and ultimately, the good doctor himself.

Please only post signs in places where it is legal.
Please make yourselves very familiar with your local posting laws. (e.g., my city code (omaha) prevents posting signs on public property, and I know the media would jump on a chance to bring down the RP supporters because of it.)
Please only post signs on the property of people who want you to post them. Remember, every sign post and window belongs to someone.

Private property is a strong Ron Paul issue, so I hope his supporters do not abuse it on July 3rd!

Make Ron Paul proud, friends.

 

[Original_Intent]

I have a corner lot and someone removed MY Ron Paul R[evol]ution sign from MY property. That pisses me off.

 

[Roxi]

a lot of business owners might be willing to allow signs on their property if just asked for permission...especially with a promise to promote some word of mouth for them

 

[LibertyEagle]

Let's do this, but let's do this legally.

 

[Swmorgan77]

Meh..

I'm not that worried about it. If thousands of overnight "sign ninjas" got arrested in one night putting up Ron Paul signs, this would give him media attention and as the IOWA coverage indicates at this point this is still something that RP's enemies want to avoid.

It doesn't mean that local cops won't go after anyone, but I am not worried about some sort of big concerted effort in response to the overnight.

 

[austinphish]

Negative Bump on this thread.

We can worry all day what the MSM is going to say about us with everything we do. Worry, worry, worry. Here is an idea, if we all just do nothing from here on out to support Ron Paul, then the MSM will have nothing bad to say about us!

I am personally on the side of civil disobedience as I am not trying to get my friend elected senior class president, I am trying to save this friggin country. Martin Luther King was arrested like 30 times for civil disobedience. Our Government is out of control and they are the ones breaking laws, the law of the Constitution.

 

[AZ Libertarian]

I wouldn't worry too much about the police watching for sign-posters late in the evening before the Independence Celebration - I had a police officer call me over the other day and asked me "What is this 'Ron Paul R3VOLUTION' thing - is it a band of some sort?" I spent 5 minutes explaining who Ron was and what we were doing, and he gave me his name & address and asked me to send him an info packet (which I did). Cops are people too, and a lot of them aren't the 'Jack-booted Thugs' that comes to many peoples minds. So put those signs up - who do you fear more; your local gendarme seeing you put up a 'Ron Paul for President' sign, or someone OTHER than Doctor No being POTUS!?!

 

[UtahApocalypse]

My Thoughts... While I agree we don't want to have a negative light shone on us or Ron Paul we must get the message out. If your involved in this overnight sign blitz be respectful, don't vandalize, but also do what we must do, and have fun. If you are harassed by the police or anyone, be polite, be compliant, and move on.

What if our four fathers followed British rule? America wouldn't even exist. What if Rosa parks moved to the back of the bus? We would still be segregated. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. is remembered as one of the most important figures in our history. As mentioned before he was arrested over 30 times.

I am not saying that we will go out and cause havoc, create mayhem, or be looking to get in trouble. Just remember for us to win back our freedoms, restore our country, and defend our constitution we have to stand up. We may bend some laws, we may ruffle a few feathers. We can do so though cautiously, and respectfully.

 

[jd603]

More info...

Ok I checked NH law. There's an RSA prohibiting any political signs on state roads/right-of-ways. It can be treated as littering and you can get a $250 fine and the NHDOT can remove the signs.

Each town may also have their own ordinances. In the end though, as long as you don't go overboard this stuff is loosely enforced, I know that from experience. Getting permission to put signs on private property or getting yard signs in the hands of Ron Paul supporters would be a safer use of the signs though.

In terms of a rally or event, nobody is going to care if you put signs out for a few days, I've never seen issues with that, the police have better things to do or better things to not do...

 

[PaleoForPaul]

Any press is good press.

She's right. The media is obviously all over any opportunity to make fun of "fringe" candidates, so I don't see any reason to give them more opportunities to do so to Ron. I think we are beyond the "any press is good press" stage.

While I agree the media will use any opportunity to discredit Ron Paul, it's better that his signs get out there and the media makes fun of him than being overly cautious and not getting his message out.

Plus, it will occur to people that people are not willing to do this for other Republican candidates, and that might pique some curiousity in them to Paul's positions.

Do not let the media intimidate you into non-action.

 

[megan]

Megan's right!!

The July 4th headline does not need to read "Fringe candidate's supporters being cited nationwide for illegal signs/banners"

I definietly like the idea of wearing RP T-shirts and handing out RP trifolds and business cards. Or, the rally down at the beach in Ft. Lauderdale where all the Young Republicans will be.

Look, wherever your area does fireworks for the community, show up in numbers wearing your gear and passing out literature. This is legal, effective, and shows your positive and actively engaged.

Megan agrees that signs are good, but not if we're all getting cited for it!!

YES. show up in person wearing your Ron Paul stuff and handing out pamphlets and cards ONE-TO-ONE with people. Remember, we're trying to let people know that they should vote for Ron Paul to protect THEIR constitutional liberties, not that they should vote for him to protect YOURS. We don't want to give the impression that if Ron Paul is elected then everyone will be running around with no respect for local laws and rules. Go to a rally with some friends, or go to a busy place and enthusiastically and politely hand out Ron Paul literature in a place where you can actually have a conversation with the people receiving it.

The truth is that Ron Paul has the most respect for the rules and we should try to do the same.

BTW, civil disobedience doesn't mean illegally posting a sign and then disappearing into the comforts of your home. If you're going to take the path of civil disobedience, you take full and public responsibility for your actions of disobedience.

The most important thing is to break no law.

 

[megan]

Megan makes a point, do it at your own discretion, it's possible you will violate an ordinance putting signs out early. Honestly though, few cops will even write you up for it (or even be familiar with the ordinance), they'll just warn you.

I agree that we need to carefully follow the laws, but I also want to be clear that in this case I don't think we should be worried about the PERSONAL consequences of misposting signs (a ticket, a warning, etc.) The reason I don't even want you to have the CHANCE to get a ticket is because it will not only reflect on you, it will be spun to reflect Ron Paul and all the rest of us who are obeying the law to support him.

 

[megan]

I have a corner lot and someone removed MY Ron Paul R[evol]ution sign from MY property. That pisses me off.

maybe they wanted to put it on THEIR property

lemonade.

 

[megan]

Here is an idea, if we all just do nothing from here on out to support Ron Paul, then the MSM will have nothing bad to say about us!

I am personally on the side of civil disobedience as I am not trying to get my friend elected senior class president, I am trying to save this friggin country. Martin Luther King was arrested like 30 times for civil disobedience. Our Government is out of control and they are the ones breaking laws, the law of the Constitution.

Dont take this from one extreme to another, because we all know that it's not realistic. Nobody here is saying that we should "do nothing." I see absolutely no connection between wanting to obey the law in our support of Ron Paul, and "doing nothing."

Posting a sign and running away to the comfort of your own home is not civil disobedience. The government does break the law, but we are above that. Don't make Ron Paul supporters come off like they think they are too good for local laws and they think they have the right to disobey them. Too many people see Ron Paul supporters as cocky and overenthusiastic, and if we don't follow regulations on these things then people will think that we're cocky, enthusiastic, and nusiances who consider ourselves "above the law".

 

[jd603]

I wouldn't worry about media ammunition , they'll create their own ammo if we don't create it for them. Again, DON'T attach signs to telephone polls, don't put stickers on public or private property etc. I wouldn't discourage simple yard signs though, in a few months they'll be all over for all candidates, I doubt being early with them will get any negative media unless its over-done. Just be sure to SPREAD them around and don't put them in stupid places, keep them low-key in the background for now. It works as well if not better.

The exception is when you have permission or it is your property, in which case, do what you want!

I agree that we need to carefully follow the laws, but I also want to be clear that in this case I don't think we should be worried about the PERSONAL consequences of misposting signs (a ticket, a warning, etc.) The reason I don't even want you to have the CHANCE to get a ticket is because it will not only reflect on you, it will be spun to reflect Ron Paul and all the rest of us who are obeying the law to support him.

 

[emilysdad]

Negative Bump on this thread.

We can worry all day what the MSM is going to say about us with everything we do. Worry, worry, worry. Here is an idea, if we all just do nothing from here on out to support Ron Paul, then the MSM will have nothing bad to say about us!

I am personally on the side of civil disobedience as I am not trying to get my friend elected senior class president, I am trying to save this friggin country. Martin Luther King was arrested like 30 times for civil disobedience. Our Government is out of control and they are the ones breaking laws, the law of the Constitution.

Bravo! Look, if the best MSM can do is report to discredit RP by way of "out of control, law breaking sign hanging supporters" then I would consider that a victory. Now, I am going to contact my sherif and ask him to go out and arrest those several hundred persons responsible for several hundred garage sale signs posted on telephone poles which violate local ordinances, not.

Civil disobedience brings awarness, which leads to education. This is not a direct reflection on Dr. Paul no matter how MSM chooses to spin it. I say anthing goes and am more apt to concern myself with staying within morally accepted behaviour than a sign posting ordinance. But, thats just me. I will be plastering everywhere including telephone poles.

 

[Birdlady]

People worry WAY too much on this board. It's not normal to be so concerned about every little thing.

If I want to put a RP sign at a busy intersection you can't stop me.

Some of you guys in here are creating fear for no reason. If someone doesn't like the sign they can get rid of it.

 

[hummtide]

Tee hee.. Dothan is gonna get plastered!

Ive got 550 signs Ive printed with backup staplegun and staples...

Im in the process of scouting out high traffic areas... TO THE TELEPHONE POLLS!

 

[austinphish]

Silly Megan

Dont take this from one extreme to another,
because we all know that it's not realistic.

Which extreme is which? I am confused, are you saying that your point is extreme also? More importantly, if you can't defend your point to its most extreme then it lacks principle.

You started this thread, and while you are entitled to your opinion I think this is just another case of us liberty minded individuals saying "don't tell me what to do".

Nobody here is saying that we should "do nothing." I see absolutely no connection between wanting to obey the law in our support of Ron Paul, and "doing nothing."

True, but telling people what not to do is as close to saying "do nothing" as it gets.

Posting a sign and running away to the comfort of your own home is not civil disobedience.

So what is civil disobedience, and then what are you worried about if it isn't?
Secondly, how else do people post signs? Most all outdoor advertising and signs are posted by someone who then departs the premises (besides the guy in guerrilla suit with the balloons advertising for an oil change.)

The government does break the law, but we are above that. Don't make Ron Paul supporters come off like they think they are too good for local laws and they think they have the right to disobey them.

"Don't do this, and don't do that"

Too many people see Ron Paul supporters as cocky and overenthusiastic, and if we don't follow regulations on these things then people will think that we're cocky, enthusiastic, and nusiances who consider ourselves "above the law".

I am going dismiss this as purely anecdotal. 90% of America don't know who Ron Paul is more or less can cite a stereotype of a Ron Paul supporter


BTW Megan, you are the first person on this Forum i have decided to call out as making bad points. I think we should all get along, except when you are raining on everyone else's parade.