I'm Cheerin the Fall of the DOW!

[speciallyblend]

been classified poor all my life, at least i will have more company.....

 

[the biss]

The problem here is most Americas are all soft and puffy in the middle. We like our nice squishy, single sized box, nonrenewable Wal*Mart lifestyles in ease, comfort, and barca-loungers. "I don't wanna give up my healthcare! I don't wanna lose my 401K! I don't like weeding a garden for my food. I... MEEEEEE! MEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"

Comedian Brian Regan calls this The Me Monster, and it's what put us here in the first place. It's negligent consumerism (TM). As a card-carrying-fucking-moron, I look forward to the day when we are no longer a nation of consumers, but a nation of producers that benefit and interact with each on a local level.

I'm excited about the day when we don't turn to the gov't to babysit us (seatbelt laws anyone? Except New Hampshire. Rah!). I look forward to knowing my neighbors again, not because I want to, but because I HAVE TO. I look forward to barter, to gold, to silver. I want to know what it means to have to work again. I mean, REALLY work. People really worked up to two generations ago. Work is not bad. And we'll learn to do it again. Maybe we'll lose our soft, squishy paunches.

My wife, three daughters and I had dinner in my debt-free, paid-for house with a woman from Croatia (former Yugoslavia) that my wife met at the park today. It was a wonderful meal and lasted well into the night. When I asked her about the differences she noticed between Croatia and the US, she said that it was hard to get to know Americans because they're always inside watching TV.

That's something else I'm looking forward to... stations failing, TV channels going off the air because their advertisers are pulling out. Maybe then we'll find ourselves back outside again, out of our tidy little American isolation chambers that we call a house. I look forward to doing what humans need to do and have always needed to do for thousands of years, interact. If you want to work with me, that's awesome! Come by the house and I'll feed you too. Mess with my shit, and I'll do whatever I can to ensure you don't ever mess with it again.

And, if that seems fucking moronic to you, I am available for you to heap as much of your disdain and potty mouthed insults as you like. I welcome your bile flavored venom. Spit in my direction as much as you want. I'm cool with that. It doesn't hurt me. Just don't mess with my shit.

 

[LibertyEagle]

The problem here is most Americas are all soft and puffy in the middle. We like our nice squishy, single sized box, nonrenewable Wal*Mart lifestyles in ease, comfort, and barca-loungers. "I don't wanna give up my healthcare! I don't wanna lose my 401K! I don't like weeding a garden for my food. I... MEEEEEE! MEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"

Comedian Brian Regan calls this The Me Monster, and it's what put us here in the first place. It's negligent consumerism (TM). As a card-carrying-fucking-moron, I look forward to the day when we are no longer a nation of consumers, but a nation of producers that benefit and interact with each on a local level.

I'm excited about the day when we don't turn to the gov't to babysit us (seatbelt laws anyone? Except New Hampshire. Rah!). I look forward to knowing my neighbors again, not because I want to, but because I HAVE TO. I look forward to barter, to gold, to silver. I want to know what it means to have to work again. I mean, REALLY work. People really worked up to two generations ago. Work is not bad. And we'll learn to do it again. Maybe we'll lose our soft, squishy paunches.

My wife, three daughters and I had dinner in my debt-free, paid-for house with a woman from Croatia (former Yugoslavia) that my wife met at the park today. It was a wonderful meal and lasted well into the night. When I asked her about the differences she noticed between Croatia and the US, she said that it was hard to get to know Americans because they're always inside watching TV.

That's something else I'm looking forward to... stations failing, TV channels going off the air because their advertisers are pulling out. Maybe then we'll find ourselves back outside again, out of our tidy little American isolation chambers that we call a house. I look forward to doing what humans need to do and have always needed to do for thousands of years, interact. If you want to work with me, that's awesome! Come by the house and I'll feed you too. Mess with my shit, and I'll do whatever I can to ensure you don't ever mess with it again.

And, if that seems fucking moronic to you, I am available for you to heap as much of your disdain and potty mouthed insults as you like. I welcome your bile flavored venom. Spit in my direction as much as you want. I'm cool with that. It doesn't hurt me. Just don't mess with my shit.

I wholeheartedly agree that this is what we have to get back to, if our Republic is going to survive at all.

 

[ShowMeLiberty]

I wholeheartedly agree that this is what we have to get back to, if our Republic is going to survive at all.

Exactly. We need to unplug from the matrix. Literally.

 

[Teenforpaul08]

Do you guys really want to see DOW fall? I sure don't. My Grandparents have 401ks and IRAs.

 

[ShowMeLiberty]

Do you guys really want to see DOW fall? I sure don't. My Grandparents have 401ks and IRAs.

I don't really want to see it. I have kids who are just starting out as young adults and this is going to hurt them too in terms of hyperinflation and unemployment. But I don't see any way for it not to fall. Not anymore. Any chance of changing course is already long gone.

 

[the biss]

Do you guys really want to see DOW fall? I sure don't. My Grandparents have 401ks and IRAs.

It's just money... it's JUST money. Imagine families again having to rely on each other rather than having Bobby Jr moving to San Diego, and little Susanne being a big shot lawyer in Houston, and mom and dad seeing the grandkids every other Christmas.

When my mom got sick, I brought her to live with me until she died in 2003. I figured it was the least I could do for all the shitty diapers of mine she cleaned up in the early 1970s.

 

[Teenforpaul08]

I don't really want to see it. I have kids who are just starting out as young adults and this is going to hurt them too in terms of hyperinflation and unemployment. But I don't see any way for it not to fall. Not anymore. Any chance of changing course is already long gone.

Looks like some people are "cheering" for it. I don't know what you call that.

 

[RockEnds]

Yes, I understand. But, to make a blanket statement that we ALL prospered from our government's actions, is going too far. Many of us did not. We worked hard, lived within our means, are not in debt and never asked the government for a damn thing. So, to imply that we benefited from the government's debt, is not true. It in fact, it has cost us a lot of money all these years. Because we had to pay for the interest on the debt, either through our taxes, or through devaluation of our currency.

As a society, we're surrounded by opportunities that may not exist for the next generation. They may pay the debt that our generation and the generation of our parents accumulated as a society. Even at our worst moments, we've had it pretty good. The development of some of our luxuries, both public and private, has been financed on borrowed public money. If the economy really does collapse, the next generation may face a very different world.

Let's hope the next generation has money for, say, national defense. I'm not talking about the tools of an empire. I'm just talking about making sure they won't be too broke afford defense against a foreign invasion. Let's hope they didn't spend the next generation's resources on us.

Edit: I should add one more point. I believe that we could have become just as prosperous without the debt. I believe that the sweat of our national brow was enough to build a great nation. But we were playing a rigged game, and we may be waking up too late to do anything to spare the next generation from paying the interest fee.

 

[Kludge]

It's just money... it's JUST money.

Curious that we work for the majority of our life for what you imply is near-valueless.

 

[Original_Intent]

I'm a wage slave. that's gotta change.

Mostly cuz I dont think my company is gonna give me weekly raises to keep up with hyper inflation. I hope I can learn farming.

 

[the biss]

Curious that we work for the majority of our life for what you imply is near-valueless.

This is a very, very insightful statement on many levels.

Paul wrote to his protégé Timothy, "For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, in their eagerness to get rich, have wandered away from the faith and caused themselves a lot of pain."

 

[thomaspaine23]

Excuse me? First and foremost, watch who you're messing with. I'm not gonna sit down while you run your moth, buddy.

You said cash. I can't think of most of the population that has silver or gold rounds readily available aside from some of the people here. Don't try to cover for your asinine statements by posting an unnecessarily long and stupid statement.

Ooooh Please. You are the one having a hissy about people saying "yeah the sky is falling". Who really gives a shit what others say? The only thing that matters is
preparing yourself and your family for what YOU think is the likely outcome.

So sure say that I make stupid statements, fine by me, cause in the long
run you have no effect on me or my plans.

I am curious as to what you think the likely outcome will be? Do you see a depression, recession, etc? Do you see another bailout coming?
Do you think there will be unrest??

Since you seem to think my opinions are invalid, I'd like to hear yours.....

 

[ghengis86]

bump to make sense

 

[sratiug]

The New York Stock Exchange wasn't formed until 1817 and is now merged with the European exchanges that started with the Dutch East India Corporation. Before it existed, how could it crash? How did we build New York City, and indeed, the United States without a stock exchange?

There are no national corporations. The federal government has no authority to charter corporations. There are no multi-national corporations. Only states can charter corporations, and originally that was for limited durations for specific public needs on GOOD BEHAVIOR.

Without fractional reserve banks and phony money and publicly traded stocks none of this shit would be happening. It is the economy of scale biting back with true costs. Without the economy of scale, you have much more competition, and much more stability built in to the system.

People betting their retirement on the stock market is crazy. With real money they could just save for their retirement from their earnings, because the cost of living would be going down instead of up.

 

[The Good Doctor]

PS Keating was about 160 billion. Or as much pork as they tacked on with this bailout bill. Anyway, it's a much bigger problem now.

Wall Street will continue to fall and then they will try to pass another Bailout but this one will be twice as big. They will then tell us that this needs to pass quickly or Groundhogs will go back in their holes and we will be stuck in winter for ever costing each american hundreds of dollars in Keating costs (I mean heating costs, sorry) and then the Terrorists will win. Is that what you want, huh? Winning Terrorists?

Sorry that I have resorted to Sarcasm but I feel that's all I have for the next couple of hours till the coffee sets in.