I'm a globalist. How about you?

I just wonder how many people happily typing away in their very affordable globalist enabled smart phones and computers disagree with the OP
 
If they weren't made there, they would be made here like almost all of electronics that lasted longer then the year warranty used to be
 
showpan said:
If they weren't made there, they would be made here like almost all of electronics that lasted longer then the year warranty used to be
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And your phone will cost you 10 or 20 thousand dollars.

But it won't because it. won't. be. made. at. all. The market conditions wouldn't exist for the massive competitive forces and economies of scale that compel companies to keep making the better, cheaper electronics that their customers demand.
 
undergroundrr said:
And your phone will cost you 10 or 20 thousand dollars.

But it won't because it. won't. be. made. at. all. The market conditions wouldn't exist for the massive competitive forces and economies of scale that compel companies to keep making the better, cheaper electronics that their customers demand.
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That's Bull....lol....we used to make almost ALL of our electronics here and the cost was NOT greater. History will not be rewritten. Sony, Sanyo, Kenwood, Pioneer, etc, all had factories here. I helped build many of them. They were made here because it was cheaper than it was to import, so most companies moved here. Quality was much better then too. I still have many of my old electronics that STILL work...lol....although I have also upgraded to new technology. Maybe one day I'll have a yard sale and clean out the basement...lol....the point is, companies would still survive because consumers will continue to buy as long as they make enough to afford them. Honda, Toyota, BMW, etc....they are all built here just like our appliances and electronics use to be.
 
undergroundrr said:
And your phone will cost you 10 or 20 thousand dollars.

But it won't because it. won't. be. made. at. all. The market conditions wouldn't exist for the massive competitive forces and economies of scale that compel companies to keep making the better, cheaper electronics that their customers demand.
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So you don't believe a domestic market could ever meet the demand, we need Chinese slave labor to satisfy all our needs?
 
showpan said:
That's Bull....lol....we used to make almost ALL of our electronics here and the cost was NOT greater. History will not be rewritten. Sony, Sanyo, Kenwood, Pioneer, etc, all had factories here. I helped build many of them. They were made here because it was cheaper than it was to import, so most companies moved here. Quality was much better then too. I still have many of my old electronics that STILL work...lol....although I have also upgraded to new technology. Maybe one day I'll have a yard sale and clean out the basement...lol....the point is, companies would still survive because consumers will continue to buy as long as they make enough to afford them. Honda, Toyota, BMW, etc....they are all built here just like our appliances and electronics use to be.
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You and I both know that the 70s receiver wars are long gone. I know exactly what you're talking about. My Marantz 2275 and my Kenwood KR-5400 and my AR-10pi's are still going strong.

Regulations, taxation, welfarism and general government meddling (such as you're suggesting for immigration) had a hand in eliminating our capacity to be competitive in the manufacture of certain products. You can't force the old days back, but rolling back government interference, especially in the labor market is your best strategy to get at least part way there.
 
I agree almost...lol....we did raise taxes but I'll explain that. We certainly didn't regulate these companies out, although I agree, some regulations aren't needed, most are since many companies chose to dump their waste out the back door and into our rivers or sending it up into the air we breath. Pollution in China and Mexico are obscene now and it's killing people right now just like we did as little as 30 years ago. Left unchecked, corporations kill for profits. Go ahead and argue that one....lol....The main cause was that we removed tariffs. Tariffs are what brought those companies here to begin with. This country was all but bankrupt in the proceeding years of it's founding. Washington and Hamilton's federalist taxes weren't enough and they caused an uprising, actually 2 that killed more people than died in the revolution. It wasn't until Jefferson became president, eliminated them and imposed import duties. Within 2 years, our debts were payed, the government had more money than they knew what to do with and business owners and manufacturers were moving here providing the much needed employment. While some of you will argue that Tariffs are a bad thing, history proves otherwise and will not be rewritten by globalist agendas. It's what corrupt politicians DID with the money from tariffs that was bad. The Tariffs worked well. They transformed this country into the largest industrialized nation in the world. When we removed them, that's when taxes were raised. Before Reagan and after WWII, companies were taxed at 70%, unions were at their strongest and this nation grew in that period tremendously. Not only did NAFTA send millions of manufacturing jobs out of this country, the taxes they once payed were also gone along with over 15 MILLION decent paying jobs. The money from those workers supported our local economies, governments and states. Even though Clinton had raised taxes, Reagan and Bush had lowered them so they never went back to the 70%. It wasn't the federal taxes that were so bad, it was the state taxes and regulations that changed things dramatically because by that time, state governments also expanded and needed more money in order to continue to function in their bloated fat state offices. By the time Reagan became president, the banksters were using the FED and Wall Street to manipulate the economy and transfer the nations wealth to themselves. So by eliminating tariffs, that was essentially the turning point for this nation. Not only were the FED, Wall Street, and military complex out of control by that time, NAFTA and Amnesty and the removal of wall street regulations were the nails in the coffin. These policies are NOT free trade. They are government controlled forced manipulation. Keynesian economics at it's best. People dependant on government and endless wars to survive. That is what Ron Paul is against and I am too. What I'm not for is their idea of free trade, and open borders. This is world of full of borders, different people and different governments and until that changes, I am an AMERICAN and will support what is best for US...not the NWO and the entire world.

Can we go back to what we had...certainly we can. It would be painful but we could easily roll back what's been done to this country. Make America Great Again is Trumps idea of making us into the strongest military power ever, making bombs and not toasters. The possibility of becoming a free world of no borders and free trade utopias might actually become a reality as the globalists start pushing buttons that will wipe out 90% of mankind. Unfortunately for those who are left, will no doubt become slaves to the elites who built huge bunkers underground to escape the apocalypse....lol...good luck with that. You'll make great pets
 
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showpan said:
I agree almost
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You're starting to make a little more sense. I can see using tariffs as a way to reduce taxes. But I don't think it would be productive in the end because of its impact on the buying power of American individuals and companies. In every phase of its existence, American industry has been great despite, not because of government interference.

I'm with you on corporations. They're evil government-created monstrosities. But they still produce. Government only takes. I'll side with the corporations for now.
 
undergroundrr said:
But I don't think it would be productive in the end because of its impact on the buying power of American individuals and companies. In every phase of its existence, American industry has been great despite, not because of government interference.
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Coming from Michigan and a family of auto industry workers, I disagree. American industry has not always been great. American car manufacturers were able to produce and sell garbage cars of terrible quality for quite a long time because of protectionist tariffs. The collapses and government bailouts of the American auto industry were the direct result of long-running protectionism. Whenever the going got tough for them the unions and corporations jointly cried to the government for more help.

To this day taxes like the chicken tax still protect certain segments of the auto industry from competition and skew the purchasing behavior of Americans.
 
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undergroundrr said:
Slave is your word.
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How so? Are you literally unaware that many of the countries we get our plastic crap from have forced labor?

undergroundrr said:
Interestingly, there are more new arrivals from China to live in the US than from anywhere else at the moment.
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I have heard that. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make mentioning it here though.




undergroundrr said:
But no, I'm not a labor mercantilist.
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See, I didn't ask if you were a labor mercantilist. I didn't ask if you supported regulation I'm trying to understand what you believe about supply and demand.

I asked if you actually truly believe that the marketplace in a wealthy country of over 300 million people literally would not produce cell phones if there was a demand for them. Because if you do, that's really a religious devotion to globalism that transcends logic. We all know where there is a demand the goods will appear if physically possible. The prices may be high on some things but you said the phones would never be available for even $20,000. That's absurd, the government is not God but neither is cheap Chinese plastic.

Would an American spatula cost $15 instead of $5?

Maybe. But you can bet if the $5 one was not available (for whatever reason) one of your neighbors would start a company from scratch if need be and produce a $15 one.
 
presence said:
says the man typing on a computer made in china
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Yes I do.

I even have foreign made spark plugs in my '56.

Doesn't mean I either like or support globalism.

What it means is others have taken the choice away from me without my consent.

If there was an American made 'puter or spark plug available I'd be all over it.......

Can you say the same? Or are you happy with things as they are?
 
tod evans said:
If there was an American made 'puter or spark plug available I'd be all over it.......

Can you say the same? Or are you happy with things as they are?
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You could go out of your way to shop for american computers and spark plugs.

You CHOOSE not to; you LIKE and SUPPORT globalism because doing so is a rational economic action.

I have no urge, nor feel no implicit duty to "buy american".
The cheapest spark plug that sparks works for me.
I'm more than happy to give a job to a man on the other side of the planet and feel not a bit of nationalistic shame for doing so.
 
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presence said:
You could go out of your way to shop for american computers and spark plugs.

You CHOOSE not to.

I have no urge, nor feel no implicit duty to "buy american".
The cheapest spark plug that sparks works for me.
I'm more than happy to give a job to a man on the other side of the planet and feel not a bit of nationalistic shame for doing so.
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I'm not.

It's culturistic for me not nationalistic, I choose to spend my money supporting culture(s) I agree with if I have a choice.

I railed against Datsun and Honda before you were a gleam in your Daddy's eye, haven't changed..............Not likely to either.
 
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