Illegal Immigration issue is key

[melissa22]

Illegal Immigration issue is key for a presidential candidate. Whoever stands out and goes against illegals will win in a landslide in 2012. Bank on it.

Some may not agree but if you remember when the democrats, Bush, etc. wanted to grant amnesty to all of the illegals, millions of americans wrote their congress, senators, and made phone calls, to tell them to NOT vote for that bill.

So what happened, the bill was thrown out and destroyed. That is clear proof that americans(left and right) are extremely against that. Probably mainly a lot of white americans but look at the unity when such an issue comes up. Pretty interesting.

Even my aunt who is a staunch liberal democrat was against that bill and said she would have voted for anyone that did something about illegals in 2008.

Mccain was a total setup by the MSM to be a complete failure and weak on this issue so Obama easilly crushed him.

I think that if Romney(not that I liked him but he said he'd deal with illegals) were running, Obama would have lost.

NWO's goal is to keep letting illegals come in.

just my 1 million gold bullions and 2 cents.

 

[Grandson of Liberty]

Unfortunately, I don't think there will be any illegals in 2012.


Congress thumbed their noses at us with the bailout. Just a harbinger of things to come.

 

[worl]

Our current gov. & the nwo will continue to import cheap labor as long as they stay in power. This is called capitalism. The illegals are being imported to take the place of you who refuse to work cheap. Because of nafta & cafta & other free trade agrements we also are made to compete with slave labor in china now. Our founding fathers warned us of this when they said that merchants have no allegance. I will sugguest everyone read "the camp of the saints" which tell's of immigration in europe & how it has distroyed the soverenty of those countries.

 

[melissa22]

Our current gov. & the nwo will continue to import cheap labor as long as they stay in power. This is called capitalism. The illegals are being imported to take the place of you who refuse to work cheap. Because of nafta & cafta & other free trade agrements we also are made to compete with slave labor in china now. Our founding fathers warned us of this when they said that merchants have no allegance. I will sugguest everyone read "the camp of the saints" which tell's of immigration in europe & how it has distroyed the soverenty of those countries.

I agree and I'll have to check out that book as well.

 

[melissa22]

Unfortunately, I don't think there will be any illegals in 2012.

Then this country will be completely gone as it's barely alive now.

 

[nbhadja]

Yes sadly now with the Dems controlling all of Washington, it is only a matter of time before they grant amnesty to the illegals. The only way I can see them failing to grant amnesty is if everyone gets so ticked off at it and protests like with what happened to the original bailout.

Ever been to east LA? Imagine the entire country like that

 

[nate895]

Yes sadly now with the Dems controlling all of Washington, it is only a matter of time before they grant amnesty to the illegals. The only way I can see them failing to grant amnesty is if everyone gets so ticked off at it and protests like with what happened to the original bailout.

Ever been to east LA? Imagine the entire country like that

With the GOP minority in the Senate (with the allocation of the defection of McCain and Graham) and defecting Democrat Senators, amnesty can still be stopped.

 

[Minuteman2008]

While amnesty can't be stopped if they want it bad enough, I can't imagine Obama will touch the issue during his first term. Rahm Emmanuel of all people has been one of the pols most opposed to the Dems going down that road, even though his voting record on the issue is very bad. The last thing he needs right off is a big firestorm of controversy while people are losing jobs left and right. The Kennedy-McCain bill called for huge increases in guest worker programs, something not exactly popular among a lot of Dem voters. The bill also would have brought in something in the range of 80 million more immigrants in 2 decades by way of chain migration , hence mostly people who are tax burdens. I actually think McCain would have been more likely to try to get an amnesty/immigration acceleration bill passed right away than Obama.

 

[rprprs]

...Ever been to east LA?...

No, but I've been to a Walmart in Philadelphia.

 

[libertea]

Why do alleged "Freedom Movement" members support this protectionist rhetoric? If this is the "Key" issue, we are worse off than I could have imagined.

 

[apropos]

Why do alleged "Freedom Movement" members support this protectionist rhetoric? If this is the "Key" issue, we are worse off than I could have imagined.

The Founders put a statement in the Constitution about "repelling invasion" for a reason, and if twelve to twenty million foreign nationals entering this country isn't an invasion, I don't know what is.

If our government does not respect national sovereignty, how can we seriously expect it to respect, say, the Bill of Rights?

 

[libertea]

The Founders put a statement in the Constitution about "repelling invasion" for a reason, and if twelve to twenty million foreign nationals entering this country isn't an invasion, I don't know what is.

If our government does not respect national sovereignty, how can we seriously expect it to respect, say, the Bill of Rights?

Oh, is that what they were talking about when they talk about invasion? Forgive my naivety. I thought they were talking about invasion of armed forces. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[melissa22]

Oh, is that what they were talking about when they talk about invasion? Forgive my naivety. I thought they were talking about invasion of armed forces. Thanks for clearing that up.

Invasions come in many forms, just look at rome when the republic fell.

 

[melissa22]

yes sadly now with the dems controlling all of washington, it is only a matter of time before they grant amnesty to the illegals. The only way i can see them failing to grant amnesty is if everyone gets so ticked off at it and protests like with what happened to the original bailout.

Ever been to east la? Imagine the entire country like that

qft

 

[Shotdown1027]

I see no illegal immigrants organizing into Battallions and attacking public institutions, or even houses of citizens. To suggest it is an invasion is ridiculous.

 

[Lord Xar]

You are thinking too base, too obvious -- poster above --.

Like another poster pointed out -- an invasion can take many forms and most, non-violent. Case in point -- look at our government. We now have the most liberal senator as vice-president, 3rd most liberal as president. A majority in senate is almost complete of liberals.. Via the media and special interests, we are more like our old nemisis russia than ever before. There are many quotes on how socialism will come about by the very people who hate it. how? Violence? An overthrow?
Not really.

So, when you get tens of millions of immigrants pouring across the borders - who are NOT assimilating, NOT learning the language and demanding "dual cultures". Balkanization, then what?

Just because rioting isn't happening now, who is to say that the ballot box will not be the battle ground?

I say wise up. Either you live in a very 'american' area in which illegal immigration has not played a role thus far in your life, so you feign wisdom - yet its ignorance.

Our schools are being overrun, our hospitals are being overrun.. the taxpayers are dealing with this burden and then when amnesty comes - it will be a HUGE mistake because of chain migratiion and even MORE illegal immigration to follow.

I mean, all one has to do is see the movement of policies and the implementation - the wars, the open borders, the patriot act --everything. You have to understand, its all tied together. So, if the neo-cons AND the liberals want those borders open, why? What is the real goal.. to flood the host country with uneducated voters who need big government. ala. socialism -- and a reduction of the host countries original intent - its culture, its history.

 

[rprprs]

...NOT assimilating, NOT learning the language and demanding "dual cultures"....Our schools are being overrun, our hospitals are being overrun.. the taxpayers are dealing with this burden...

And you can add to that list of grievances the undercutting and depression of the prevailing wages for American workers. And please, no MSM BS about illegal immigrants taking jobs that American workers won't. I have first hand knowledge of this and have seen it occur in just about every industry and occupation you can think of. It ain't just farm work and fruit picking. When Americans won't accept jobs as construction workers or computer scientists, I might consider that argument.

 

[libertea]

And you can add to that list of grievances the undercutting and depression of the prevailing wages for American workers. And please, no MSM BS about illegal immigrants taking jobs that American workers won't. I have first hand knowledge of this and have seen it occur in just about every industry and occupation you can think of. It ain't just farm work and fruit picking. When Americans won't accept jobs as construction workers or computer scientists, I might consider that argument.

Please, no MSM BS protectionist rhetoric.

 

[libertea]

I say wise up. Either you live in a very 'american' area in which illegal immigration has not played a role thus far in your life, so you feign wisdom - yet its ignorance.

Texas. It's not the "Either" so it must be the "or" which you omitted. Please oh wise one, save me from my ignorance.

 

[Minuteman2008]

Please, no MSM BS protectionist rhetoric.

If believing in sovereignty and actual borders is now considered "protectionist" then I guess I'm a protectionist. I'm trying to imagine the disastrous results of actually listening to the "protectionists" and enforcing existing immigration laws. It's just not scaring me too badly.