Illegal Immigrants are NOT Eligible for ANY Federal Benefits

[Son_of_Liberty90]

Well, they can vote in elections (in states that don't prosecute illegal voting), so they can vote for their benefits. LOL

 

[RonPaulGeorge&Ringo]

They are not born so that they can go on welfare.

This is an anti-American lie. You should apologize to the forum and consider hanging yourself for treason.

The pregnant Latina women who come for checkups and guidance at Mary’s Center in Northwest Washington

This place is funded by federal taxes. This is welfare. These leeches on the American people need to be deported.

The newborns — who will be U.S. citizens even if their parents are in this country illegally

This is a lie and hardcore anti-American Communism. Communists in the government who push this lie and give away money to natural foreigners need to be hanged for treason.

you have to choose between the baby and work.”

Which is why they choose the baby and steal money from American taxpayers rather than working.

 

[RestorationOfLiberty]

Well, they can vote in elections (in states that don't prosecute illegal voting), so they can vote for their benefits. LOL

Ad open border supporters just love that fact, they can put their foot on the scale and just rig election.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Well, they can vote in elections (in states that don't prosecute illegal voting), so they can vote for their benefits. LOL

How many times has that occurred? After thousands of dollars of taxpayer money and years looking into the problem, Arizona found a massive total of two illegal immigrants voting over an eight year period.

http://archive.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/20131105arizona-immigrant-vote-fraud-rare.html

Illegal immigrant vote-fraud cases rare in Arizona

Arizona has spent enormous amounts of time and money waging war against voter fraud, citing the specter of illegal immigrants’ casting ballots.

State officials from Gov. Jan Brewer to Attorney General Tom Horne to Secretary of State Ken Bennett swear it’s a problem.

At an August news conference, Horne and Bennett cited voter-fraud concerns as justification for continuing a federal-court fight over state voter-ID requirements. And some Republican lawmakers have used the same argument to defend a package of controversial new election laws slated to go before voters in November 2014.

But when state officials are pushed for details, the numbers of actual cases and convictions vary and the descriptions of the alleged fraud become foggy or based on third-hand accounts.

An examination of voter-fraud cases in Maricopa County shows those involving illegal immigrants are nearly non-existent, and have been since before the changes to voter-ID requirements were enacted in 2004.

In response to an Arizona Republic records request, the Maricopa County Attorney’s Office provided a list of 21 criminal cases since January 2005 in which the suspect was charged with a felony related to voter fraud. A search of court records found 13 other cases.

Of the 34 Maricopa County cases, two of the suspects were in the country illegally and 12 were not citizens but living in the U.S. legally, court records showed. One of the suspect’s legal-residency status was unclear from the records.

The non-citizens came from around the world — Indonesia, Canada, Mexico, Yugoslavia, the Philippines and Thailand. Most had been living legally in the U.S. for decades. Several stated in court documents that they thought they were permitted to vote because they were legal permanent residents of the United States.

None was convicted of a felony or given any jail time. A couple of the cases were dismissed; the other suspects pleaded guilty to misdemeanors and served a few months of probation.

Eighteen of the cases involved convicted felons who had lost the right to vote. In several of the cases, the felons told the court no one had ever explained to them that they no longer could vote even after serving their time. One said he was sent an early ballot in the mail and thought he was permitted to vote.

 

[MelissaWV]

Hypothetical situation:

A citizen of the US is the head of their household. They have five illegals or, at least non-citizens living with them. That citizen makes a certain amount of money at their low-level job. When they go to apply for assistance, they apply as the head of a household of six. You see, income from illegals does not count.

More directly, though:

Center for Immigration Studies
Percent of Households Using Welfare by Nativity and Legal Status in 2012:

Illegal Immigrant Households (Full Model)
Any Welfare - 62.0%
SSI - 2.2%
TANF - 2.2%
School Lunch - 47.9%
WIC - 22.7%
SNAP - 22.4%
Medicaid - 51.0%
Public Housing - 3.7%
Subsidized Housing - 0.3%

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Taxpayers paid $19.4 Billion Welfare to Immigrant Households in 2012 Alone

Illegal immigrant households in particular use an average of $5,692 in welfare benefits each year, primarily due to government assistance provided to U.S.-born children of illegal aliens, CIS added.

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Now, one can argue several things based on this. The first thing is just how much was spent on citizens or legal immigrants, which is a huge number. The second is that a lot of this is based on income calculation loopholes (like the one I used when I started the post). The third is that CIS is not exactly the most perfectly unbiased source, and that any calculation of how much illegal immigrants cost tends to be based on a calculation of how many illegals there are --- which varies greatly from study to study.

The one thing you CAN'T reliably say, however, is that "Illegal Immigrants are NOT Eligible for ANY Federal Benefits," because one way or another, more than 0 illegals have been found eligible.

 

[oyarde]

Mandated to the states to comply, have you heard about the Federal Income tax, with some that money given back to states that comply to Federal edicts?

In my state the avg private school costs half what the state spends per yr on ea public school child ( over 10k). Since all property tax monies and half of all state tax collected are needed to fund this , obviously it is not a good deal for tax payers .

 

[Zippyjuan]

Is a child born in the US an illegal immigrant?

 

[MelissaWV]

Is a child born in the US an illegal immigrant?

Most of the things discussed in this thread are not about a child being born in the US.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Most of the benefits you listed in your post are going to children born in the US.

 

[MelissaWV]

Most of the benefits you listed in your post are going to children born in the US.

Not all?

 

[Zippyjuan]

School lunches and WIC maybe not. Depending on the state, you don't necessarily have to be a legal resident or citizen to use. You do have to be a legal citizen to use SNAP and Medicaid or SSI (or legal resident in the country five years or more).

 

[MelissaWV]

School lunches and WIC maybe not. Depending on the state, you don't necessarily have to be a legal resident or citizen to use. You do have to be a legal citizen to use SNAP and Medicaid or SSI (or legal resident in the country five years or more).

So... "ANY" in the title is misleading, then?

Btw, while not directly eligible, illegals do benefit from SNAP.

“Although two families may be identical in terms of income and family size, states have the option of including only part of the wages of an employed ineligible alien when calculating SNAP eligibility. Those states which do not count all the income of the ineligible aliens make it easier for a family with an illegal alien present to qualify for food stamps than for an identical all-citizen family,”

 

[Zippyjuan]

Link? (though it says that at least one member of the family is legally in the country- the legal person IS eligible for SNAP).

for a family with an illegal alien present

Meaning the rest of the family is legal.

http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/snap-policy-non-citizen-eligibility

SNAP Policy on Non-Citizen Eligibility

Last Published: 03/11/2016

A person must be a U.S. citizen or an eligible, lawfully-present non-citizen to qualify for SNAP benefits. Non-citizens who are eligible based on their immigration status must also satisfy other SNAP eligibility requirements such as income and resource limits to receive SNAP benefits.

Some States have programs to supply food benefits in lieu of SNAP to non-citizens who do not qualify for SNAP benefits.

 

[MelissaWV]

Link? (though it says that at least one member of the family is legally in the country- the legal person IS eligible for SNAP).


Meaning the rest of the family is legal.

http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/snap-policy-non-citizen-eligibility

You asked me for a link then proved my point lol

Same in the case where the kids get benefits: You don't think the illegals in the family eat some of that food they help the family qualify for?

 

[Zippyjuan]

So you said that having a legal citizen kid was not relevant to illegal immigrants getting any benefits and now admit that they only reason the family got any benefits is that they had a legal member who WAS eligible for benefits. Actually you supported MY claim that illegals are not eligible. The benefits were going to the legal person.

 

[MelissaWV]

So you said that having a legal citizen kid was not relevant to illegal immigrants getting any benefits and now admit that they only reason the family got any benefits is that they had a legal member who WAS eligible for benefits. Actually you supported MY claim that illegals are not eligible. The benefits were going to the legal person.

My scenario does not include a legal child, as the person applying is an income earning citizen.

The illegal person is factored in, making it easier for a household with a higher income to artificially lower that income and qualify for benefits.

Others have mentioned hospitals not being able to turn away people for stabilizing service, which is Federal.
You mentioned "most" in your post, not "all," rendering the thread title misleading.
Others have mentioned public school, which is not just a benefit for the children involved, any moreso than free lunches/breakfasts and qualifying for food assistance exclusively benefit children.
Forged documentation allows illegals to apply for and sometimes receive benefits.

None of these things are free.

Even CNN's "Immigration myths debunked" article, which strives to point out every positive angle of illegal immigration, cedes that some receive benefits:

Also, undocumented immigrants are eligible for schooling and emergency medical care. Currently, the average unlawful immigrant household costs taxpayers $14,387 per household, according to a recent report by The Heritage Foundation. But in its 2013 "Immigration Myths and Facts" report, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce says most economists see providing these benefits as an investment for the future, when these children become workers and taxpayers.

Note that it doesn't say "the children of undocumented immigrants."

Undocumented immigrants do not qualify for welfare, food stamps, Medicaid, and most other public benefits. Most of these programs require proof of legal immigration status and under the 1996 welfare law

Again, not "all" but "most."

Incorrect thread title is incorrect.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Schools and school lunches are state- not federal- benefits. Emergency medical care cannot be denied anybody -regardless of citizenship or immigration status.

Using forged documents (which does occur) means somebody trying to get something they are not eligible for.

The Heritage article (again you provide no links to anything) notes that those benefits are not Federal benefits. http://www.heritage.org/research/re...ful-immigrants-and-amnesty-to-the-us-taxpayer

In contrast to lawful immigrants, unlawful immigrants at present do not have access to means-tested welfare, Social Security, or Medicare. This does not mean, however, that they do not receive government benefits and services. Children in unlawful immigrant households receive heavily subsidized public education. Many unlawful immigrants have U.S.-born children; these children are currently eligible for the full range of government welfare and medical benefits. And, of course, when unlawful immigrants live in a community, they use roads, parks, sewers, police, and fire protection; these services must expand to cover the added population or there will be “congestion” effects that lead to a decline in service quality.

In 2010, the average unlawful immigrant household received around $24,721 in government benefits and services while paying some $10,334 in taxes. This generated an average annual fiscal deficit (benefits received minus taxes paid) of around $14,387 per household. This cost had to be borne by U.S. taxpayers. Amnesty would provide unlawful households with access to over 80 means-tested welfare programs, Obamacare, Social Security, and Medicare. The fiscal deficit for each household would soar.

Again- things like school are state benefits.

The paragraph you quoted also noted:

the U.S. Chamber of Commerce says most economists see providing these benefits as an investment for the future, when these children become workers and taxpayers.

And on the Federal side, if they are working (and not getting paid in cash) they are paying taxes. SSI taxes. Income taxes. Sales taxes. Property taxes. They pay billions into Social Security while not being able to get any of it (unless they later become citizens).

 

[angelatc]

Most "anchor babies" are not born until several years after immigrants are in the country- as "life happens" and people work and live and fall in love. They are not born so that they can go on welfare.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...d7a2f0-570d-11e5-b8c9-944725fcd3b9_story.html

Send the mother home. Then she won't be torn between the baby and work. Instead, she can be torn between taking her baby back with her.

 

[angelatc]

Schools and school lunches are state- not federal- benefits.

Bullshit. http://www.fns.usda.gov/nslp/national-school-lunch-program-nslp

 

[angelatc]

Using forged documents (which does occur) means somebody trying to get something they are not eligible for.
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It's crazy to think that someone who is here illegally would do something illegal.