If you're from outside of Iowa don't go to Ames for the straw poll

[Badger Paul]

"i want to read your on site blogging"

Just look for the blog www.conservativetimes.org

 

[parocks]

this is what the official campaign wants people to believe. I haven't heard anyone actually talking about an organized grassroots effort when out of state grassroots is there. I've proposed something like that but people seem to think organization is bad. What might be useful for Ames is those people who are actually from Iowa and wanted to help but didn't fit what the campaign was looking for, those people could organize a "grassroots" team, and they carried out special projects.

I like the idea of special projects - and if one "special project" is keeping Ron Paul supporters from out of state from hooting and hollering too much, great.

But what I'm talking about is not likely to happen. It is also believed to be true that weeks back some out of staters were welcomed by Steve. Presumably, he did not have his volunteers then and now he does.

So its impossible to have a positive impact as an out of state Ron Paul supporter?

 

[Napoleon's Shadow]

Bump

 

[sailingaway]

People have been asking for help at state fairs. But we should go where we are wanted, not where we are not wanted.

 

[Esoteric]

I will be there, with my liberty juices flowing. Out-of-staters can attend the event, dispite the FEAR MONGERING coming from the official campaign, in order to keep us 'nutty supporters' away from the tame Iowans.

Let it not be said that we did nothing.

 

[Badger Paul]

Just so everyone knows, there's no change in the set-up or rules of the straw poll from 2007. Only Iowans can vote, $30 gets you into the Coliseum and persons can walk freely around the grounds and into the tents. Whether you come or go is entirely up to you.

 

[FireStone]

He's not going because he thinks he's got it in the bag.

 

[FireStone]

That is exactly the reason we all should go...the media wants it to seem like no one is interested in Dr. Paul so they can make everyone else look good.

 

[Napoleon's Shadow]

I will be there, with my liberty juices flowing. Out-of-staters can attend the event, dispite the FEAR MONGERING coming from the official campaign, in order to keep us 'nutty supporters' away from the tame Iowans.

Why would you go when the campaign has specifically asked you not to?

 

[sailingaway]

No, everyone knows Ron can get thousands from all over the country. The question is how many he can get from Iowa. Watch out for Trolls trying to start end the fed chants or whatever non-mainstream sounding stuff they dream up. We can't stop adults from going, but recall that trolls DO try to pretend they are of us and start unattractive stuff. I hope people from here will be thoughtful enough to recognize that when it is happening.

We are trying to be attractive to others not yet convinced; it is still early days in the campaign, and even those tentatively sold on some people might later become disenchanted and take a look at Ron if we have made a good impression. Politeness is something I'm sure we all know, and this isn't about 'us' vs 'them' this is about 'come join us!'

 

[sailingaway]

Why would you go when the campaign has specifically asked you not to?

Esoteric, in particular, is putting a lot of work into putting on a screening of For Liberty at an Iowa theater the day before the Ames straw poll and will be handing out flyers to it at the debate, and if I were doing all that, I'd probably want to go to the straw poll, too.

Supporters do a lot of cool things, and I hate squelching the creativity. I understand the problems that have occurred and the bad feeling and bad press Ron has gotten in 'party' circles when our folks have booed other speakers or chanted at times when it isn't appropriate, or acted like others were the enemy if they made an honest mistake etc. However, it would be a real shame and disservice to Ron if we couldn't find a way to let the really terrific ideas come through.

But please folks, if you do support Ron, watch out for trolls. Remember that guy who quit the Romney meetup when they were planning on infiltrating events pretending to be Ron Paul supporters and act badly. And in my personal opinion, Romney supporters have nothing on hard core Perry supporters.

 

[Napoleon's Shadow]

Supporters do a lot of cool things, and I hate squelching the creativity. I understand the problems that have occurred and the bad feeling and bad press Ron has gotten in 'party' circles when our folks have booed other speakers or chanted at times when it isn't appropriate, or acted like others were the enemy if they made an honest mistake etc. However, it would be a real shame and disservice to Ron if we couldn't find a way to let the really terrific ideas come through.

I agree completely. The campaign does need the grassroots, but if we are to achieve electoral victory then we must do proven methods that will lend themselves to success. That means phone banking and door-to-door. Other stuff is often superfluous and can even be detrimental in many situations.

 

[sailingaway]

I agree completely. The campaign does need the grassroots, but if we are to achieve electoral victory then we must do proven methods that will lend themselves to success. That means phone banking and door-to-door. Other stuff is often superfluous and can even be detrimental in many situations.

those who show up at the straw poll are not going to be the ones listening to you on this point.

 

[libertybrewcity]

I heard there will be provocateurs at Ames. Get ready for some crazy sh*t to go down.

 

[KingRobbStark]

@ op

 

[wealeat]

You guys should not attend the poll unless you are from Iowa. Yes it would be fun to go, but the only reason you are going at this point is because YOU want to go, not because you will make a difference.

When the official campaign, which is entirely different from last time, is urgin you to NOT come. You should not come. Please remove the selfish interest you have in attending this, and think what is best for the campaign. Real political consultants and real experienced campaign managers are in charge this time. They know what they are doing. "Going rouge" will not help. Please please use the money you would spend going by donating to the campaign.

 

[sailingaway]

I heard there will be provocateurs at Ames. Get ready for some crazy sh*t to go down.

That is precisely what I am concerned about, and that some might have, last time, been legitimately supporters of Ron.

I hadn't actually 'heard' it, though. What have you heard?

 

[MozoVote]

With $4 gas I don't think there are going to be a large number of out-of-state people that attend this. It might be interesting for 30 minutes to walk among the candidate tents and say that you've seen this event... but the inability to vote in the poll or see the speeches live, takes much of the incentive away.

Remember in 2007, when grassroots people were calling the Iowa GOP and demanding that they not use voting machines? The official campaign had to send out bulletins asking people to *please* leave the Iowa GOP alone!

I think it is the off-tangent "taking matters into your own hands" stuff that the official campaign doesn't want to see again.

 

[trey4sports]

Damn strait i'm gon be ther make shore no cheatin n shit goes on

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[Napoleon's Shadow]

@ op

SO you don't care what Ron and the campaign has asked you not to do?