If you want to get "tazed"....

[spacehabitats]

If you want to get tazed, do it on your own time.

DO NOT COME TO ST. PAUL AND MAKE RON PAUL AND THE REST OF US LOOK LIKE IDIOTS.
Satisfying your anger and frustration does not give you an excuse to trash our movement.

I would also be willing to be jailed or tazed, IF I thought that would advance the cause of liberty. It wouldn't.


But we had better be able to bring our children to the convention.

I am going to bring my children to St. Paul. I AM willing to risk unprovoked violence against them. After all, this is their future that we are talking about, even more than yours or mine!

If we are doing something that even gives the police an excuse to do violence to our children, THEN WE ARE NOT DOING THE RIGHT THINGS!

By the way, the most effective non-violent protests for the civil rights movement in the early sixties involved children.

In fact, that was probably what broke the back of the resistance to civil rights in the South.

Policemen that were happily jailing and whacking adults over the heads with billy clubs, found themselves powerless when they were confronted with large numbers of children.

In fact, it was the use of fire hoses to disperse the children in those demonstrations (which was thought to be a more "humane" tactic) which ultimately turned this nation toward support for the civil rights bill.

They wouldn't dare do anything like that in St Paul.
It would make us martyrs overnight and accelerate our cause by years!

Unless, of course, they could blame it on some hammerheaded "Ron Paul" provocateurs.

But in that case, the police won't have to take them down.
I'll be whacking them over the head with my own "Ron Paul 2008" sign.

 

[Kotin]

agreed.

 

[ClayTrainor]

Great post...

Ron paul supporters have to be on their best behavior at St. Paul

There will probably be some plants that will try to stir trouble... we must call them out if we spot them.

 

[slacker921]

The GOP will see to it that there are some folks sporting Ron Paul signs and shirts getting arrested. That's a given.

 

[phixion]

I concur - take as many children as possible. Sons, daughters, relatives. Get them all down there. It should equally stop RP supporters acting out of line as well as the police.

Pete

 

[surf]

i think you're giving cops too much credit. they'll whap the shit out of anything that they see that does not comply with their orders - or that they see as a "threat"

i see most cops these days as "Cartman Cops" - you will respect my authoritie! they are no longer members of the community protecting neighbors - they are now members of the cop-community protecting their own.

and don't expect a cop to be jailed for beating up children. as we saw in Philadelphia today, at worst they'll be fired, but probably will just be placed on paid administrative leave.

 

[flames2dust77]

This is the reason I will not be going to St. Paul. I do not have a good feeling about it. There is a good chance for violence there. While I do have a great amount of respect for the majority of RP supporters...There is a psycho, nutty group of RP supporters that shows up everywhere. These are the dumbasses who don't care if there are kids around. I cannot and will not put my son's life at risk. Yes, I do see it that seriously....he could get trampled, hit with god knows what, etc.

I wish everyone the best of luck who is going to St. Paul...I just cannot be there.

And please, please ppl be behaved up there. Take the children there into consideration, please.

 

[Dave39168]

I feel what you are saying. I think most of the real nutjobs wouldn't make it past their county conventions though. If someone had enough professionalism to get elected at their state convention as a delegate to nationals, I doubt they would be the kind to cause problems at Nationals. The "nutty psychos" as F2D77 calls them, if they show up won't be delegates and I don't think would be able to stir things up to much. I think your children will be safe.

 

[A Ron Paul Rebel]

Cop says: "Sit! Stay! Shut your mouth!"

You say sheepishly: "Yes sir. Whatever you say sir."


Well I say, "NO WAY!!!"

I won't being going to get tazed and I won't be going to
start any shit, but I sure as won't sit back, coward down
and be a fu@king pu$$y about it!

If I get tazed, so be it. I won't let that scare me.

 

[freelance]

This is the reason I will not be going to St. Paul. I do not have a good feeling about it. There is a good chance for violence there. While I do have a great amount of respect for the majority of RP supporters...There is a psycho, nutty group of RP supporters that shows up everywhere. These are the dumbasses who don't care if there are kids around. I cannot and will not put my son's life at risk. Yes, I do see it that seriously....he could get trampled, hit with god knows what, etc.

I wish everyone the best of luck who is going to St. Paul...I just cannot be there.

And please, please ppl be behaved up there. Take the children there into consideration, please.

I couldn't agree more. I also have a bad feeling about it. I keep seeing Chicago '68 in our future.

 

[kigol]

 

[spacehabitats]

I agree, we NEED children.

I concur - take as many children as possible. Sons, daughters, relatives. Get them all down there. It should equally stop RP supporters acting out of line as well as the police.

Pete

There will be some "unfortunate incidents", They will see to that.

But there is safety in numbers and having our children there (or any children you can beg borrow or steal) will help to:

1) defuse situations

2) act as a reminder to the rowdies that this is a peaceful event

3) create sympathy for our movement in the eyes of the public

4) remind everyone that the freedom movement is important for our children's futures

5) counteract the stereotype that we are all a bunch of Internet geeks living in our Mothers' basements

Need I go on?

But the LAST thing we need are people confirming all of the negative stereotypes the MSM has been trying to label us with.

In fact, we need to be able to broadcast to the world (in advance) that we are going there in peace, and that if any group shows up acting like goons, they are McCain supporters, regardless of what their T-shirts or signs might say.

 

[A Ron Paul Rebel]

In fact, we need to be able to broadcast to the world (in advance) that we are going there in peace, and that if any group shows up acting like goons, they are McCain supporters, regardless of what their T-shirts or signs might say.

+1

 

[spacehabitats]

Cop says: "Sit! Stay! Shut your mouth!"

You say sheepishly: "Yes sir. Whatever you say sir."


Well I say, "NO WAY!!!"

I won't being going to get tazed and I won't be going to
start any shit, but I sure as won't sit back, coward down
and be a fu@king pu$$y about it!

If I get tazed, so be it. I won't let that scare me.

This isn't about your courage (or anyone else's). Its about whether you want to win or just get your rocks off.

Yeah, I was around in '68. And I new a lot of the people that went to Chicago, before, during, and after.

I listened to speeches by Abbie Hoffman and the gang and watched the Weathermen self-destruct on national TV.

I thought they were a bunch of grandstanding jerks then, and nothing has happened to change my opinion.

If any of you think you're the first to feel frustrated and angry by bucking the establishment you need to read a little history.

Ron Paul has given us a unique opportunity to create a coalition combining the anti-war/liberal-progressives with the old-style conservative/libertarians and take our country back.

This is something we didn't have in the sixties.

Don't blow it just because you're too hyped up on testosterone to do play this the smart way.

I promise you, we will all live to regret it.

 

[RideTheDirt]

There will be some "unfortunate incidents", They will see to that.

But there is safety in numbers and having our children there (or any children you can beg borrow or steal) will help to:

1) defuse situations

2) act as a reminder to the rowdies that this is a peaceful event

3) create sympathy for our movement in the eyes of the public

4) remind everyone that the freedom movement is important for our children's futures

5) counteract the stereotype that we are all a bunch of Internet geeks living in our Mothers' basements

Need I go on?

But the LAST thing we need are people confirming all of the negative stereotypes the MSM has been trying to label us with.

In fact, we need to be able to broadcast to the world (in advance) that we are going there in peace, and that if any group shows up acting like goons, they are McCain supporters, regardless of what their T-shirts or signs might say.

+100

 

[A Ron Paul Rebel]

This isn't about your courage (or anyone else's). Its about whether you want to win or just get your rocks off.

How do you define WIN?

I'll be there to 'win' in several different ways and to be
pro-active on several issues. None of which are by being
an a$$ or being disrespectful. But at the same time, I'm
not about to bow down and kiss anybodies feet.

That's all I'm saying.

And I'm not afraid of getting tazed.

It's going to be a fabulous, great time and America will
be better off for us being there.

 

[pepperpete1]

I keep posting about the anti-war group of about 50,000 members will be targeting the convention. There is another anti-war student group who plans on blocking traffic, I was gung ho on going to the convention just as an observer, but after learning how many other groups are going to be there and the extra security that has been added, I do not see the point of being there. Unless Ron Paul made a public call for us to be there, I would not go.
It would be cool if every REAL RP supporter wore the same color and type of hat or same color of arm band that no infiltrators knew about before hand so that each of them knew who a supporter is and who is just a mole, or member of some other anti-war group.

 

[spacehabitats]

Actually, he HAS asked us to be there.

I keep posting about the anti-war group of about 50,000 members will be targeting the convention. There is another anti-war student group who plans on blocking traffic, I was gung ho on going to the convention just as an observer, but after learning how many other groups are going to be there and the extra security that has been added, I do not see the point of being there. Unless Ron Paul made a public call for us to be there, I would not go.
It would be cool if every REAL RP supporter wore the same color and type of hat or same color of arm band that no infiltrators knew about before hand so that each of them knew who a supporter is and who is just a mole, or member of some other anti-war group.

http://ronpaul2008.typepad.com/ron_paul_2008/2008/05/dr-paul-discuss.html

Anti-war groups-- they need to get with the program and go there not only to protest the war but to support the only anti-war GOP candidate, Ron Paul.

Wearing RP ID's-- nice idea but I don't think you could this bunch to sing Yankee Doodle in unison let alone keep it a secret.

No, I am afraid Ron Paul and all of his TRUE supporters are going to need to be absolutely adamant and consistent on insisting that this is a PEACEFUL rally.

After all, that has ALWAYS been what he advocates.

 

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

If any Marylanders are planning on going than please PM me. I would love to go but I just no longer have the financial resources to get there or stay there on my own. I will gladly contribute to gas and a hotel room (or we can use my large tent if there is a place to set up camp) or we can take my truck which is great on gas mileage and can seat 6 safely. So if any Marylanders are interested in letting these neocon bastards know that we arent buying their crap than let me know so we can make our plans now.

 

[nbruno322]

Violence and chaos plays well into the hands of those who would like to discredit us and impose further totalitarian measures.

We must realizes that the establishment is waging a full-effort psychological war upon the Constitutional movement (IE the 2nd American Revolution). And the best weapon to counter this is education. Chaos and violence is what THEY want, it does not serve the cause of liberty.