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[wd4freedom]

I don't support any movement to go against the will of the people. If the people want McCain then they got what they deserve.

I don't want to go against the democratic process to get Ron Paul in. It's an extremely anti freedom anti democracy move to make.

We are a Republic, not a democracy. There is a profound difference.

 

[The Tao Of Bill]

The congressmen are as corrupt as the president.
They won't push because then they are liable to be exposed as well.

And they DON'T listen to the people. They pat us on the head, send us a form letter and vote themselves raises.

You see what one good man is up against in Congress.

Things need to be changed.

I would support breaking the rules more if I honestly felt that's what America wanted . But right now I don't think America has woken up enough for that and I don't think that's what they want. If we are to do something where we say fuck the system and we're going to force our way through it then I'd want a good chunk of America involved. But the sad truth is we can't even get 10% of America involved right now.
I just want to focus on educating the people. Not forcing out way to the people. This sort of thing isn't going to win us any points with the American people. We likely won't win the general election because of it and the movement will be scared.

 

[Revolution9]

Fuck off. That's all I'm going to say. I've done nothing but give to this movement. So just fuck off. I don't need this shit from you. I don't even know you.

You know me now. I am Grassroots hip and Forum Sargeabt at Arms. Yer a fucking shill and nothing else.Piss off Obama boy. Yer commie will sink this ship in accordance with his masters decree.

Randy

 

[The Tao Of Bill]

You know me now. I am Grassroots hip and Forum Sargeabt at Arms. Yer a fucking shill and nothing else.Piss off Obama boy. Yer commie will sink this ship in accordance with his masters decree.

Randy

And you're going to sink this ship by trying to purify a freedom movement like it's really a fascist movement. Stop acting like the king. You have no power. And I don't care what you think

 

[Revolution9]

And you're going to sink this ship by trying to purify a freedom movement like it's really a fascist movement. Stop acting like the king. You have no power. And I don't care what you think

Getting you all wound into a tither is worth every fucking word. Consider yerself derailed..heh..

Randy

 

[The Tao Of Bill]

Getting you all wound into a tither is worth every fucking word. Consider yerself derailed..heh..

Randy

Derailed me from what? My top secret commie plan to take over America? There's a reason people call Ron Paul supporters crazy. It's people like you who thinks everyone you disagree with is an agent provacators. You really over estimate the power of this movement right now if you think the government needs to send agent provacators. I'm just a college kid giving his opinion.

So why don't you just continue your loony ranting elsewhere. You're giving the sane supporters a bad name.

I acknowledge I'm not a perfect libertarian but I'm not a communist. If I was I wouldn't be supporting Ron Paul. I wouldn't have given money to him. I wouldn't have put his stickers on my car. I wouldn't be planning on going to the march.

Learn to treat other supporters with respect because you're going to fuck up this movement with your angry ranting and treating fellow Ron Paul supporters like an asshole. That sort of treatment should be completely unacceptable. But it's becoming more and more common and it will be the death of this movement. Mark my words. It's effects are already turning people away from it.

 

[mudburn]

"I would support breaking the rules more if I honestly felt that's what America wanted . But right now I don't think America has woken up enough for that and I don't think that's what they want."

Per the OP, there was no admonishment to break any rules. You're piping about a non-issue here. Your comments in this thread indicate that you don't understand the process.

Consider that if you're filing your taxes, any competent attorney will tell you that if the tax code does not forbid doing it a certain way that gives you advantage, then you should do your taxes that way. If the delegate process does not forbid Ron Paul supporters from being delegates and shaping the convention process toward the ends of liberty, then that is what they should do. They shouldn't hold to notions of "fair play" that are divorced from the reality of the rules which govern the system. It isn't cheating; it's doing what freedom-loving American's should do.

You don't want to cheat or break the rules. Good on ya! But, that wasn't what was being advocated here -- you brought it up as a way to dis the OP. Learn what the rules are. If you aren't comfortable following the rules and using them to advantage, then don't. And, don't denigrate or discourage those that disagree with your position on following the rules in order to pursue a desired end.

dp

 

[The Tao Of Bill]

"I would support breaking the rules more if I honestly felt that's what America wanted . But right now I don't think America has woken up enough for that and I don't think that's what they want."

Per the OP, there was no admonishment to break any rules. You're piping about a non-issue here. Your comments in this thread indicate that you don't understand the process.

Consider that if you're filing your taxes, any competent attorney will tell you that if the tax code does not forbid doing it a certain way that gives you advantage, then you should do your taxes that way. If the delegate process does not forbid Ron Paul supporters from being delegates and shaping the convention process toward the ends of liberty, then that is what they should do. They shouldn't hold to notions of "fair play" that are divorced from the reality of the rules which govern the system. It isn't cheating; it's doing what freedom-loving American's should do.

You don't want to cheat or break the rules. Good on ya! But, that wasn't what was being advocated here -- you brought it up as a way to dis the OP. Learn what the rules are. If you aren't comfortable following the rules and using them to advantage, then don't. And, don't denigrate or discourage those that disagree with your position on following the rules in order to pursue a desired end.

dp

I don't think I said this was cheating. If I did then it was a mistake. It's not cheating. But it is dishonest and it goes against the principles we are trying to install and it goes against giving the people the freedoms they deserve.

 

[mudburn]

I don't think I said this was cheating. If I did then it was a mistake. It's not cheating. But it is dishonest and it goes against the principles we are trying to install and it goes against giving the people the freedoms they deserve.

I don't follow your reasoning. What is dishonest about pursuing delegate positions and shaping the selection process before and during the convention? That is what the rules allow for. Dishonesty in this process would involve treating the rules with disrespect. Just because others, whomever they may be, don't follow the rules doesn't make this process being advocated and discussed here dishonest.

This is all beside the fact, though. You are uncomfortable with this approach. Therefore, you shouldn't participate. That's fine. But, you don't need to rain negativity on others who do desire to pursue the rules to a just outcome, others who clearly don't share your view about the "dishonesty" of the process. The dishonesty in this process so far has not come from Ron Paul or his supporters, nor will any legitimate action on their behalf. There has been plenty of dishonesty in the process (ask Brent Sanders and others in LA, for instance), but not from this camp.

Exploiting the rules is not dishonest. Exploiting the rules, if that's how you prefer to view this process proposed, is actually quite American. If government wasn't something to vigilantly keep your eye upon, then exploiting the rules wouldn't be necessary (gov't of the US or gov't of the GOP, in this case). The rules exist to be followed. Follow them honestly. Pursue the outcomes you desire honestly by the rules. If it makes you uncomfortable, you don't have to play along. That's fine.

dp

 

[Revolution9]

Derailed me from what? .

Your spew.

HTH
Randy

 

[TheMadCow]

Learn to treat other supporters with respect because you're going to fuck up this movement with your angry ranting and treating fellow Ron Paul supporters like an asshole.

Or the whole discussion thread will mysteriously disappear.

 

[Leroy_Jenkems]

You bring up a great dilemma here. If the people democratically elect a war-mongering tyrant who will probably turn America into a third world country and start WW3 along the way, are we ethically allowed to use "anti-freedom" and "anti-democracy" methods to put a peaceful patriot into power who will turn things around or at least work at Restoring the Republic?

I'm wondering, what would the Founding Fathers do?

Newsflash: McCain will not win the general election - people voting for Democrat candidates have outnumbered those voting for Republicans by almost 3 to 1. Do all the delegate "what-if" scenarios you want, Obama's going to get it, I'm afraid [reaches for barf bag...].

P.S. The preceding statement is completely divorced from the argument amongst several previous posters arguing about the "commie Obama crowd"

 

[pcosmar]

Ron Paul lost. I'm allowed to support who I want.

I've been involved in this movement since may last year. You have no right to tell me to leave just because you disagree with me.

A lot of folks have been "involved" and have been posting negative crap.
If you support Ron Paul and the message of FREEDOM, Quit with the negativity.
The delegates will go to the convention, The delegates will vote.
Ron Paul has a very good chance.

I will oppose ANY collectivist candidate"R" or "D". I will oppose them after the election.
THIS AIN"T OVER till America is free and following the Constitution.

 

[The Tao Of Bill]

A lot of folks have been "involved" and have been posting negative crap.
If you support Ron Paul and the message of FREEDOM, Quit with the negativity.
The delegates will go to the convention, The delegates will vote.
Ron Paul has a very good chance.

I will oppose ANY collectivist candidate"R" or "D". I will oppose them after the election.
THIS AIN"T OVER till America is free and following the Constitution.

I'm a realistic person and I speak my mind. Sorry if you don't like a dose of reality but there isn't much of a chance of this being taken away from McCain.

 

[Revolution9]

I'm a realistic person and I speak my mind. Sorry if you don't like a dose of reality but there isn't much of a chance of this being taken away from McCain.

Pure bogification. You ain't shit in a handbag.

Yer here only to stir up negative crap. That id all. Any other impetus you declare is null and void in light of your dualistic and corrupted momentum..

Randy

 

[The Tao Of Bill]

Pure bogification. You ain't shit in a handbag.

Yer here only to stir up negative crap. That id all. Any other impetus you declare is null and void in light of your dualistic and corrupted momentum..

Randy

I seriously pity you. It must suck being that paranoid in thinking everyone is out to get you.

 

[molly_pitcher]

Aaah... I love those little red boxes ^_^

 

[TheTyke]

Great topic, before it got derailed!

I'm all for following the system to achieve our ends. If anything, this is an orchestration of the media to make us look bad (as usual). By proclaiming it "over" now, if we win the nomination via our delegates they can be like "They abused the system! They really are dishonorable". They are preparing for their next phase of attack, in case we succeed.

But we ARE following the rules! This is how the system works, they are merely preparing their counter attack.

Beyond this, they would use this as an excuse to launch an attack on the electoral college that was given to us by the founding fathers.

I'm supporting Ron Paul all the way!

 

[pcosmar]

I'm not really voting FOR him. I'm voting against McCain.

I don't agree with Obama enough to vote FOR him. But I agree with him way more than I do McCain and Hillary. And I will do whatever I can to keep 100 year McCain out of office.

A vote for Obama is a vote against America.
A vote for is a vote FOR.

Randy has proven to be otherwise.

You have not.

 

[The Tao Of Bill]

A vote for Obama is a vote against America.
A vote for is a vote FOR.

Randy has proven to be otherwise.

You have not.

And you and randy have proven you guys are. I don't need to prove anything to a couple of assholes who don't know how to talk to people. It's no wonder we couldn't convince enough people to vote for Ron Paul with people like you treating anyone you disagree with like shit.

Learn some freaken people skills if you want to help Ron Paul.