If you are thinking about giving up, read this NOW!!!!

[FrankB]

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/40898

Lets talk about tomorrow's primaries....please read!!!
Posted March 4th, 2008 by GiveMeLiberty
As of today, McCain has 874 bound or pledged delegates and 33 unbound or unpledged delegates. He needs 1,191 BOUND delegates for the nomination.

see here....

http://www.thegreenpapers...

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DO NOT LISTEN TO THE MSM TOMORROW if McCain wins Ohio and Texas and they say he has the nomination locked up.....THEY COULD NOT BE MORE WRONG!!!!!!!!
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First of all, Texas is NOT A WINNER TAKE ALL STATE!!!!! Secondly, ALL of Ohio's delegates are unbound or unpledged!!!!

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McCain needs 317 BOUND delegates, even if he was awarded all of Texas' 137 bound delegates (which he is not going to get), he would still be 180 delegates short.

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If he wins all of Ohio's delegates, it HAS NO EFFECT on his bound delegate count, which is the ONLY count that matters.

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After tomorrow's primaries, there are only 377 bound delegates left available that can be won in the remaining primaries.

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I will revisit the math following tomorrow's primaries.....it is going to be tight folks.....

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And don't forget.......not all of the delegates show up at the convention........so McCain is out of luck.......

 

[The Tao Of Bill]

I don't support any movement to go against the will of the people. If the people want McCain then they got what they deserve.

I don't want to go against the democratic process to get Ron Paul in. It's an extremely anti freedom anti democracy move to make.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

GET OUR DELEGATES TO THE CONVENTION PEOPLE! We can do this

 

[bcreps85]

I don't support any movement to go against the will of the people. If the people want McCain then they got what they deserve.

I don't want to go against the democratic process to get Ron Paul in. It's an extremely anti freedom anti democracy move to make.

The people are voting based on incomplete information and lies. When people make decisions based on information that is compromised entirely of lies and incomplete information, then their decisions become extensions of those lies, and therefore good decisions cannot be made. From this we can conclude that there is no moral reason not to vote against them.

Second, this country was not founded as a Democracy. It was founded as a Federalist Republic that was intended to be loyal to it's Constitution. All public officials swear to uphold the constitution, when they don't we should do everything within the rules to take them out of office, which is exactly what this is about.

If they rig the rules so that we cannot win in any way by following the rules it will be time for guns.

 

[FreedomRings]

I don't support any movement to go against the will of the people. If the people want McCain then they got what they deserve.

I don't want to go against the democratic process to get Ron Paul in. It's an extremely anti freedom anti democracy move to make.

You bring up a great dilemma here. If the people democratically elect a war-mongering tyrant who will probably turn America into a third world country and start WW3 along the way, are we ethically allowed to use "anti-freedom" and "anti-democracy" methods to put a peaceful patriot into power who will turn things around or at least work at Restoring the Republic?

I'm wondering, what would the Founding Fathers do?

 

[The Tao Of Bill]

The people are voting based on incomplete information and lies. When people make decisions based on information that is compromised entirely of lies and incomplete information, then their decisions become extensions of those lies, and therefore good decisions cannot be made. From this we can conclude that there is no moral reason not to vote against them.

Second, this country was not founded as a Democracy. It was founded as a Federalist Republic that was intended to be loyal to it's Constitution. All public officials swear to uphold the constitution, when they don't we should do everything within the rules to take them out of office, which is exactly what this is about.

If they rig the rules so that we cannot win in any way by following the rules it will be time for guns.

I disagree. No matter how tough it got Ron Paul never broke the rules and we should live by the same respect for the system and not take advantage of loopholes. If we want people to be informed then that's out job. But it's not our job to assume we know better. Theres a name for that kind of government and it's not democracy.

 

[The Tao Of Bill]

You bring up a great dilemma here. If the people democratically elect a war-mongering tyrant who will probably turn America into a third world country and start WW3 along the way, are we ethically allowed to use "anti-freedom" and "anti-democracy" methods to put a peaceful patriot into power who will turn things around or at least work at Restoring the Republic?

I'm wondering, what would the Founding Fathers do?

The founding fathers gave us tools to get rid of incompetent presidents. We should let our congressmen know we will not allow them to let another president get away with war crimes. Impeachment will not be off the table this time.

 

[FrankB]

I don't support any movement to go against the will of the people. If the people want McCain then they got what they deserve.

I don't want to go against the democratic process to get Ron Paul in. It's an extremely anti freedom anti democracy move to make.

Will someone get this self admitted Obama supporter out of here???

 

[Cleaner44]

I don't support any movement to go against the will of the people. If the people want McCain then they got what they deserve.

I don't want to go against the democratic process to get Ron Paul in. It's an extremely anti freedom anti democracy move to make.

Then why are you still here?

Here is your new home:
http://www.topix.com/forum/us-senate/barack-obama

 

[The Tao Of Bill]

Will someone get this self admitted Obama supporter out of here???

Ron Paul lost. I'm allowed to support who I want.

I've been involved in this movement since may last year. You have no right to tell me to leave just because you disagree with me.

 

[aksmith]

I disagree. No matter how tough it got Ron Paul never broke the rules and we should live by the same respect for the system and not take advantage of loopholes. If we want people to be informed then that's out job. But it's not our job to assume we know better. Theres a name for that kind of government and it's not democracy.

Loopholes are part of the rules. And many of them are in there so if Ron had one, or someone like him, they could be exploited to keep him from winning.

We're about to go to convention in NV and every dirty trick in the world is being tried to keep Ron from getting a single delegate. And you want to play by some fictional set of rules? You're not the only one I've seen say this. No wonder we never win squat. Our supporters are boy scouts and we're facing the spawn of Machiavelli.

 

[The Tao Of Bill]

That's because Ron Paul is a boy scout and hasn't used dirty tricks yet. I don't think Ron Paul himself would like this method very much. He's got very strong principles as well.

 

[The Tao Of Bill]

Then why are you still here?

Here is your new home:
http://www.topix.com/forum/us-senate/barack-obama

Maybe you should leave cleaner. Because you are hurting this movement by declareing yourself king of it with the capability of telling people to leave it. I plan on sticking with the movement for the rest of my life. So get used to me. I'm not the only Ron Paul supporter with Obama as a 2nd choice. Stop alienating people who want to support the movement. You have no right to tell anyone who can participate. No one made you king of the movement. I seem to recall several times Ron Paul sounded quite proud to attract democrat leaning independents like myself.

 

[Andrew-Austin]

There is not much of a point in giving up entirely, I don't know why this is such an issue here.

 

[danberkeley]

The founding fathers gave us tools to get rid of incompetent presidents. We should let our congressmen know we will not allow them to let another president get away with war crimes. Impeachment will not be off the table this time.

Read the Decleration of Independence...

 

[jacmicwag]

You guys can do what you want but I'm moving to Lazyapolis as soon as I pick up my welfare check this Tuesday.

 

[The Tao Of Bill]

Read the Decleration of Independence...

We do not have the support yet to make a dent in the system if we decided to declare independence from the system. We need to educate the people. I'm don't feel we need to break any rules or break our principles. We just need to be patient and use our brains and try not to force our principles on other people. That's why we've been doing so bad. We have been way too aggressive trying to win. We aren't going to win anyone by forcing Ron Paul on the people. We're just going to get more people not trusting the movement and thinking we are a bunch of lunatics.

We need to have a principled reputation just like Ron Paul if we have any hope to succeed in the end. We don't have to solve the problems with America today.

 

[Feenix566]

Our goal is to convince the American people that limited government and sound monetary policy are what's best for everyone. Stealing the Republican nomination is not the way to do that.

The Revolution isn't over. The next step is to support fiscally responsible candidates for other offices, especially Congress.

 

[The Tao Of Bill]

Our goal is to convince the American people that limited government and sound monetary policy are what's best for everyone. Stealing the Republican nomination is not the way to do that.

The Revolution isn't over. The next step is to support fiscally responsible candidates for other offices, especially Congress.

Exactly!

We aren't going to win hearts and minds by playing loopholes. We need to take the fight to congress. Especially in 2010 when turnout is much lower because there is no presidential election.

Just be patient. The Ron Paul movement will be taken seriously. We MUST keep our principles though and we MUST show we are willing to accept the democratic process if we are to be deemed the freedom movement.

 

[jmag]

I must be missing something. By trying to win/send enough delegates to win Ron Paul the nomination is cheating how? If the sheep aren't aware enough to play the game through to the end then so what? This is a case of us being cheated against if anything - the msm calling the show for McCain when there is still a lot to happen yet because they are owned/controlled by those who cannot profit from a vigilant and free people.