If we could buy 1000 acres or more, who would join us?

[oyarde]

A lot of the time, when there's no state income tax, the property taxes are pretty high. Property's nice though. I'll show it to Mark. Is that in the Cumberland Plateau area?

Usually made up for in sales tax by the state , and property tax percentage by the state for the communities.

 

[Tod]

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/10/business/11leonhardt-avgproptaxrates.html?_r=0

TN is below average on property taxes, but higher than CA....

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Usually made up for in sales tax by the state , and property tax percentage by the state for the communities.

That's why I like the idea of living in WY right on the MT border. WY = no income tax and MT = no sales tax. Work in WY and buy in MT best of both worlds.

 

[Deborah K]

I don't know but I think this is the property for you Deb.
http://www.idahocountryproperties.com/idx/11433/details.php?idxID=143&listingID=123315
No building codes in Idaho county Idaho.
Voted for Ron Paul.

Too bad I'm not a millionaire.

 

[newbitech]

Not yet.

might I make a suggestion then? I thought this was a very reasonable looking offer and there is plenty of land to go around. The area sits on top of an aquifer etc etc.. Worth checking out I think for purpose of the ideas in this thread.

http://arizonaland.com/sierra-highlands-ranch/northern-az-land-for-sale/

you are looking at parcels of around 40 acres, lowest priced parcels are 22.5k with owner financing 10% down 15 years, with potential for better rates etc with more down.

The other thing I was looking at to go along with this is the kit cabins. I liked this one in particular for the DIY nature of it keeping costs low, and because of the modular design allows for easy expansion down the road.

http://www.cabintek.com/log-cabin-kits-arizona.html

 

[klamath]

Too bad I'm not a millionaire.

Get enough cohorts to buy in with you There is pretty well everything you need on that property. Potential for hydro power, farming, ranching, hunting, aquaculture, timber, Game, a lot of wild fruit and berries. I know that country pretty well.

 

[Steely Dan]

A lot of the time, when there's no state income tax, the property taxes are pretty high. Property's nice though. I'll show it to Mark. Is that in the Cumberland Plateau area?

Property tax isn't high in Oklahoma. At least I've never heard anyone complain. I think they get you at the revenue office when you tag your vehicle. Its still not that bad compared to a lot of other states. And mineral rights are pretty much out of the question anywhere unless you have some deep pockets. There's a LOT of oil in Oklahoma.

 

[Lindsey]

I don't know but I think this is the property for you Deb.
http://www.idahocountryproperties.com/idx/11433/details.php?idxID=143&listingID=123315
No building codes in Idaho county Idaho.
Voted for Ron Paul.

That is gorgeous. Hell, I might even change my mind if that was in my reach financially.

 

[Acala]

I don't know but I think this is the property for you Deb.
http://www.idahocountryproperties.com/idx/11433/details.php?idxID=143&listingID=123315
No building codes in Idaho county Idaho.
Voted for Ron Paul.

I'm a fan of Idaho for relocation - particularly around Moscow.

 

[dannno]

That is gorgeous. Hell, I might even change my mind if that was in my reach financially.

Ya looks like you could easily live off trout and venison there.. and I've always thought it would be cool to have a bison ranch.

What are the rules about hunting on your own property "off season"? What is the reality of doing so?

 

[klamath]

Ya looks like you could easily live off trout and venison there.. and I've always thought it would be cool to have a bison ranch.

What are the rules about hunting on your own property "off season"? What is the reality of doing so?

You can't. However if you buy what are called sportmen tags you can hunt and fish anything in their seasons. They even have salmon and steelhead runs on the Clearwater river.

 

[satchelmcqueen]

if i buy, i wanna live next to danno so i can annoy him.

 

[oyarde]

Ya looks like you could easily live off trout and venison there.. and I've always thought it would be cool to have a bison ranch.

What are the rules about hunting on your own property "off season"? What is the reality of doing so?

I have no rules about hunting on my property. I make the rules

 

[oyarde]

That's why I like the idea of living in WY right on the MT border. WY = no income tax and MT = no sales tax. Work in WY and buy in MT best of both worlds.

I worked with a couple of old crazy Cowboys from about those parts in the mid 80 's. They were both from the two States , but right across from ea other, they were pretty entertaining , solid guys in a pinch and both pretty good with a dollar and I imagine getting pd cash before I meet them . They never mentioned that , but, makes sense .

 

[Pericles]

Hope to have contract done by mid September.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Launch pads, runways, facilities: NASA’s grand shuttle sell-off continues
http://arstechnica.com/science/2013...ities-nasas-grand-shuttle-sell-off-continues/

Earlier this week, NASA announced that two commercial space companies have placed bids on one of the mobile launch platforms at the Kennedy Space Center in Florida. The platform is one of three structures originally designed and built for Project Apollo back in the 1960s; the hardware was redesigned and refitted for use with the Space Shuttle in the late 1970s and was in use continually until the Shuttle program's end in 2010.

The two companies bidding on the launch platforms are Elon Musk's SpaceX and Jeff Bezos' Blue Origin. Both companies would use the platforms as part of their own rocket launch efforts, and both companies have their eyes set on far larger NASA assets: Launch Complex 39A.

Launch Complex 39, with its two pads (LC39A and LC39B), is NASA's largest and most sophisticated space launch facility. Like most of NASA's crown jewels, the site was constructed to support Project Apollo and repurposed into the Shuttle era. Pad 39A is the southern of the two and hosted 12 Saturn V launches and 80 shuttle launches; pad 39B was used for one Saturn V flight, 4 Saturn 1B flights, 53 shuttle launches, and the single Ares flight.

Since the start of Project Apollo, LC39 has been the only NASA facility used to launch astronauts into space. It has comprehensive support resources in place—refitting and processing buildings, the enormous Vehicle Assembly Building, fuel tankage, and all the other myriad systems required to support manned rocket launches. Combined with the site's enormous size, LC39 is prime commercial space launching territory, and both SpaceX and Blue Origin want in. SpaceX reportedly wants exclusive access to pad 39A, while Blue Origin wants to run the pad as a multi-tenant site.

Also being divested is the shuttle runway and Shuttle Landing Facility at the Kennedy Space Center. This particular asset is being brought under the control of Space Florida, a state-backed public/private partnership responsible for aerospace-related business development in Florida. In a conversation with Ars, a Space Florida spokesperson clarified that Space Florida isn't buying or leasing the runway but rather will assume control of it from NASA and will "manage its utilization."

There are several companies interested in using the Shuttle Landing Facility for operations. Although Space Florida is currently under NDA and could not disclose any names, indications are that companies are interested in it for a Virgin Galactic-style suborbital aircraft.

Space Florida is already heavily involved in the disposition of NASA's shuttle assets; they are responsible for the refit of Orbital Processing Facility 3 (which was used to maintain Shuttles between missions) for commercial use. They also manage two smaller launch sites at Cape Canaveral: Launch Complex 36 and Launch Complex 46.

NASA currently operates without a single operational man-rated spacecraft or launch vehicle. This will continue to be the case until at least 2017 when the Space Launch System is scheduled to make its maiden flight. If all goes according to schedule, SLS will then carry its first astronauts into orbit in 2021.

-t

 

[Origanalist]

Ya looks like you could easily live off trout and venison there.. and I've always thought it would be cool to have a bison ranch.

What are the rules about hunting on your own property "off season"? What is the reality of doing so?

The last time I was over there I had to get my mom out of the path of a moose because she was just standing there as it was coming her way. There are plenty of moose there, wild turkey etc.. Unfortunately the elk population seems to have dropped due to the introduction of wolves.

 

[Arklatex]

I'm for the idea, there is strength in numbers - maybe make it quasi though, set up a network of liberty people/liberty communities to share goods thru the mail, it's barter and/or gifts from one to another. Set up a network of people all across the Country and Globe. Maybe use bitcoin =) Maybe have a monthly newsletter or blog, don't be overly paranoid methinks because there is nothing wrong with it.

 

[dannno]

There are plenty of moose there, wild turkey etc..

Wow, I've never even considered eating a moose before, I wonder what that's like.. (after a quick google I find out that Moose is actually a deer, and so its meat is called venison and is similar)

Wild turkey sounds fantastic.

 

[Arklatex]

This should be the #1 consideration when looking for property: Riparian Water Rights

Find a nice clean small river and have pristine water. So important - you'll be resistant to any droughts