If we could buy 1000 acres or more, who would join us?

[Deborah K]

I would be willing to make plans. But the husband's job is here, and I'm not willing to uproot my son again. So we are staying here for at least 4 years.

I'll put you on the list, Angie.

 

[tod evans]

Can you site some examples so we can discuss them? I don't think the Branch Davidians qualify as an example of what I'm talking about.

What particular group of people would pose the biggest threat to "orderly government"?

When towns and possibly whole counties start bucking the fed, neighbors will turn on each other, newcomers will be targets..

If ya'll have family in the country that's really the best way to avoid the newcomer/untrustworthy status.

But who knows everything could turn around and come up roses too....

 

[Deborah K]

You should check out Joel Skousen's Strategic Relocation. Great information in there.

Putting all our eggs in one basket makes for easy targets, IMHO. I would prefer networking like a lot of people did back in the 90's, before internet and cell phones.

We need to push for more Sovereign States Status using the 10th amendment against federal encroachment.

Agreed. I've always thought there should be 'free zones' EVERYWHERE and ALL OVER. They don't have to be compounds per se. And I reiterate that I don't believe we'd be targets as long as we're not planning for insurrection.

And rest assured, an option like this is only one prong in a multi-pronged effort to restore freedom. It's an option as a way to survive upcoming unrest on a massive scale.

 

[tod evans]

(3) Digital ties are stronger than ever.

If/when this exercise crumbles there will be no "digital ties" among those contra to fed-gov.

 

[Tod]

Personally, the idea of a single compound housing a group of people is very unappealing to me. I currently am a co-owner with my siblings of the family farm and it has been very trying. Every SINGLE thing we attempt to do turns into a big disagreement, from what to spend money on to how to make money to what to maintain and what changes should be made....nothing but a big fight every step of the way. Even what area to mow for the lawn. It is ridiculous. There are five of us and one ALWAYS has to be contrary, another has few preferences but always sides with the contrary one, and then the remaining three of us. We can't even agree on how to make decisions.

 

[angelatc]

I think Tod has a point. Let's say that in your compound, vehicles don't need tags or insurance to run on your roads. The state will just pass a law saying that they have the right to impound cars that aren't tagged even if they never touch public property. The people in the compound who drive off will be secretly happy, and people who live off the compound will be smug.

 

[thoughtomator]

Probably better than buying a private reserve to live on would be to establish a new town/city somewhere. FSP-style, but smaller scale, village-sized. If the land can be worked and the state chosen isn't too intrusive, it accomplishes the goals intended by the original proposal and then some, as we'd have local political control as well.

Alternatively we could find an existing town that could suit the purpose, as long as it had an existing population amenable to the change and of the tradition of neighborliness that minds its own business.

 

[tod evans]

I'll put in my $.02.

I agree w/ Tod's premise that if we congregate in one area, *and the government is aggressively clamping down*, it will be more difficult to go guerrilla.

If your premise were to restart America v2.0 (and defend it) then consolidating is the only way.

However, it sounds like you simply want to get away from this dump. If you and some other folks populate something out of the way, you likely won't get bothered until the revolution occurs.

I thought immediately nesting/conquering upon reading your post..

+rep

 

[Kotin]

Although I cannot move, I am very experienced in tree orcharding and sustainable farming if you ever need assistance with such a thing.. And if you are planning on growing your own food, planting trees ASAP is a huge factor.. Fruit trees yield an insane amount of food..

 

[Deborah K]

What particular group of people would pose the biggest threat to "orderly government"?

Those living off the dole whose entitlements are cut off due to a full scale economic collapse. First targeted would be those living in densely populated areas who resort to civil unrest (as I stated in my OP).

When towns and possibly whole counties start bucking the fed, neighbors will turn on each other, newcomers will be targets..

And which those of us who move to remote areas will be under the radar. Look at banding together as a way to help each other in the event of collapse and martial law. Some of us have the wherewithal to do it, some of us need the help to do it.

 

[presence]

deb do you know about the FEC?

http://www.thefec.org/


Sandhill, Twin Oaks, East Wind, Acorn, Dancing Rabbit, etc. Each has its own "political philosophy"; most slant "libertarian socialist"


East Wind is a community of 75 people on 1500 acres in the Ozarks, they're very communal and financially in good shape because of a "community owned" peanut butter business.


Dancing Rabbit is another 300 acre Missouri community where the HOA stipulation is "no grid tie"...everything is solar and permaculture oriented.


also take a look here;


http://www.ic.org/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intentional_community
http://www.schoolofliving.org/intcommunities.htm


keywords: intentional community, egalitarian community, coop, sustainable community, permaculture,

 

[Nobexliberty]

Do not forget effective firefighting is very important, without it it will all burn down within a year due to lack of the ability to contain fires.

 

[tod evans]

Those living off the dole whose entitlements are cut off due to a full scale economic collapse. First targeted would be those living in densely populated areas who resort to civil unrest (as I stated in my OP).

Back in the late 70's early 80's urban populations were considered by military to be easily contained...

Tactics might have changed since then but I kind of doubt it.

And which those of us who move to remote areas will be under the radar. Look at banning together as a way to help each other in the event of collapse and martial law. Some of us have the wherewithal to do it, some of us need the help to do it.

Families banding together in counties that are rich in water and game with fairly temperate climates stand a much better than average chance of pulling through whatever government does..

There are so many different scenarios that could happen and in every one I can think of I want rivers and lakes, caves, deer, rabbit, wild berries and nuts...

Coastal areas will be seized long before government heads to the backwoods.

Notice I failed to even entertain such things as fuel or electricity?

Those will be the next easiest methods of control after securing the urban areas, and make no mistake, government will have both fuel and electricity....

 

[Deborah K]

Probably better than buying a private reserve to live on would be to establish a new town/city somewhere. FSP-style, but smaller scale, village-sized. If the land can be worked and the state chosen isn't too intrusive, it accomplishes the goals intended by the original proposal and then some, as we'd have local political control as well.

Alternatively we could find an existing town that could suit the purpose, as long as it had an existing population amenable to the change and of the tradition of neighborliness that minds its own business.

This is very appealing to me.

 

[Carlybee]

I can't move but I can tell you there is a HUGE network of preppers/liberty minded people living in the rural Carolina's.

This guy would help you out if you wanted to locate there:
http://www.youtube.com/user/southernprepper1/videos
[email protected]

These guys live there too:
http://www.youtube.com/user/sootch00/videos
http://www.youtube.com/user/engineer775/videos

I wouldnt mind living in NC...my ancestors settled some areas there and its pretty country. Not sure about job situations. Unfortunately I am not able to retire yet.

 

[sam1952]

The idea of moving to a established area makes the most sense to me. I live very rural in a village in south west PA. The village has a general store and a post office with about 15 single family homes. The rest of the area is farmland and 10 plus acre homesteads. 90% of these people are already liberity minded and don't even know it meaning they leave their neighbors alone, dislike state government interference. Believe in personal and property rights and have never heard of Ron Paul. I'm sure this way of life is scattered and repeated through the entire country.

I say pick a place you want to live and start moving family/like minded people there. If a current FSP is not apealing for whatever reason find your own haven and start another.

 

[luctor-et-emergo]

It's the idea, the concept that we're trying to work out, at this point. I'm trying to get people I care about to start thinking about their options.

Right, well I'm all in favor of that. In fact I'm willing to help planning in a general way efficient means of food production. Out of interest in such a project, so at absolutely no cost.
But apart from that I encourage this idea because even without an economic collapse it can be a worthwhile endeavour since you don't live to work inside the system. I can't speak for all but me personally, I live my life simply to be happy and be occupied with things that interest me. So in that light, starting a community of like minded people is a very good means of increasing happiness.. It does however cost a lot of energy to 'create' a vibrant community of people working together, something I'd be more than willing to help achieve. This is one of the reasons I have joined these boards as a foreigner, with no future plans to move to the US. (I do have family living in the US)

 

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

I have been actively searching for a place to move with little luck. I would love a little plot of land where I can garden and just do whatever the hell I want as long as I am not infringing upon the life, liberty or property of another. Someplace I can establish an auction gallery with as little interference from "The Man" as possible would be great as well. Basically, I could care less if they nuke us within a years time - I would be VERY interested as it is what I am trying to do anyway.

 

[Deborah K]

Back in the late 70's early 80's urban populations were considered by military to be easily contained...

Tactics might have changed since then but I kind of doubt it.

The slow response to the Rodney King verdict in the 90s would prove otherwise. However, I'm certain the police state has figured out how to quell such a response now. I still stand by my opinion that the focus won't be on the self sufficient - at least not for a while - there are 300 million people to control in this country. The out-of-control will be in the cross hairs. Think of Katrina 300 fold.

Families banding together in counties that are rich in water and game with fairly temperate climates stand a much better than average chance of pulling through whatever government does..

I agree, and am not concerned about those who have the wherewithal to do this. I'm just not a "in it for myself and my own" type. I'd like for people who won't stand a chance based on their circumstances to have an option. I strongly feel that liberty activists need to start giving consideration to their options.

Notice I failed to even entertain such things as fuel or electricity?

Those will be the next easiest methods of control after securing the urban areas, and make no mistake, government will have both fuel and electricity...

Turbines....natural gas wells.....solar.....biogasification?

 

[presence]

I have been actively searching for a place to move with little luck. I would love a little plot of land where I can garden and just do whatever the hell I want as long as I am not infringing upon the life, liberty or property of another. Someplace I can establish an auction gallery with as little interference from "The Man" as possible would be great as well. Basically, I could care less if they nuke us within a years time - I would be VERY interested as it is what I am trying to do anyway.

I found the last two places I've lived through unitedcountry

http://www.unitedcountry.com/realestate/search-state/index.htm

I prefer to sort by "price ascending"


I'm 3 sides to state forest right now. Love my location.