If Trump is really against the establishment,

[Tywysog Cymru]

Then why didn't he support Ron Paul in 2008 or 2012? Why didn't he support Rand Paul's 2016 campaign?

 

[seapilot]

Good questions.

Here is an article from 2011. Basically says he likes Ron Paul but did not think he had what it took to win.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-ron-paul-cant-win/

Businessman and television personality Donald Trump says that America needs a winner to run against President Obama in the next election - and libertarian icon Ron Paul isn't it.
"Ron Paul cannot get elected, I'm sorry," Trump said to a rowdy audience at the Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington, D.C. today.

The remark elicited a huge commotion from the crowd, which was packed with young fans of the Texas Republican, who made a splash in the 2008 Republican primary by gaining the fervent support of libertarians but ultimately won minimal support. Paul's political action committee put together an extensive campaign to bring his young supporters to this week's conference, which is considered a platform of sorts for potential presidential contenders.

While Paul's young fans booed, a large portion of the crowd - surely growing impatient with Paul's continuing presence at CPAC (he won the straw poll last year) - rose to their feet and cheered Trump.

After the crowd continued to cheer and boo for some time, Trump said, "I think he is a good guy, but honestly, he has just zero chance of getting elected."

 

[timosman]

Good questions.

Here is an article from 2011. Basically says he likes Ron Paul but did not think he had what it took to win.

He wasn't wrong, was he?

 

[RandallFan]

Because Trump lost 100s of friends on 911 and was offended by some things Ron Paul or the media reported.

Also Tancredo never liked the establishment and he was no supporter of Ron Paul. Tancredo had fights with Rep. Delay and Rep. Hastert all the time. He also went after Colorado GOP Chair Steve House.

Tancredo has gone against Catholic donors, Mormon donors, Jewish donors, libertarian donors & The Pople at the time.

"I was called into Tom DeLay’s office because I was supporting Republican challengers to Republican incumbents. I had a group called Team America that went out and did that. He called me and said to me, 'You’re jeopardizing your career in this place by doing these things.' And I said, 'Tom, out of all the things you can threaten with me that is the least effective because I do not look at this place as a career.'"[SUP][72][/SUP]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Tancredo

Also while Ron Paul said blacks were being executed for being black, Trump said the black individuals on death row were there for a reason. Trump threatened to punch on or have his team throw out BLM who care about Just-Us not Justice.

On the border, Trump has always been for some sort of fence and infrastructure(whether or not he wants to grant amnesty to the illegals already here); whereas no-one could work out what Ron wanted.

[h=3]Tancredo: Ron Paul and Trump both soft on immigration ...[/h]www.coloradoindependent.com/.../tancredo-ron-paul-and-trump-both-so...


May 5, 2011 - But even Barack Obama says he favors border security, and Trump has not given any details like whether he supports a border fence. Trump ...

[h=3]Ron Paul's amnesty with an asterisk[/h]www.wnd.com/2011/05/298533/


May 14, 2011 - On Thursday, Ron Paul announced he would form an exploratory ... Tom Tancredo's book, “In Mortal Danger: The Battle for America's Border ...

[h=3]Ron Paul: Soft on Immigration? - Hit & Run : Reason.com[/h]reason.com/blog/2011/05/02/ron-paul-soft-on-immigrantion


May 2, 2011 - Super keep-em-out-er Tom Tancredo gets bummed by Ron Paul's latest ... here to work; also have more border guards to enforce current laws,


Steve King as well is another anti-establishment guy who ran in his own circles, totally outside of Ron Paul.

State Sen. Rick Bertrand considers challenging Steve KingDesMoinesRegister.com‎ - 2 days ago

Iowa state Sen. Rick Bertrand indicated on Friday that he intends to challenge U.S. Rep.



[h=3]Rep. Joaquin Castro: Boehner called Steve King 'an asshole'[/h]dailycaller.com/.../boehner-called-rep-steve-king-an-asshole-says-lawma...


Jan 17, 2014 - Speaker John Boehner was not happy with Rep. Steve King last year, after King said that many DREAMers were drug mules, according to an ...


Jeff Sessions on trade runs in his own circles as well without being an establishment person.

Basically everyone everyone who has risen in stature since 2012 has done it outside of Ron Paul's circle.

 

[Tywysog Cymru]

Good questions.

Here is an article from 2011. Basically says he likes Ron Paul but did not think he had what it took to win.

Maybe Ron Paul could have won if Trump had donated to his campaign.

 

[Krugminator2]

Good questions.

Here is an article from 2011. Basically says he likes Ron Paul but did not think he had what it took to win.

He did not like Ron Paul. He hated Ron Paul I posted two links on this in the Ted Cruz/Trump audit the Fed thread. He said he could guarantee Ron Paul would be a terrible leader. He said if Ron Paul had a chance to win he would get into the race as an independent.

Here is a tweet

 

[Krugminator2]

Then why didn't he support Ron Paul in 2008 or 2012? Why didn't he support Rand Paul's 2016 campaign?

He supported Hillary in 2008 because that's what anti-establishment liberty people do. http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-says-his-past-politics-were-transactional-1438213199 http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-in-2008-hillary-clinton-would-make-a-great-president/

He, of course, supported anti-establishment liberty dynamo Mitt Romney in 2012 who he settled on after giving serious consideration to radical libertarian Newt Gingrich. There was no need to consider Ron Paul in a crowded liberty field.

 

[Miss Annie]

Just IMHO, I think he has swallowed the red pill over the last few years.

 

[seapilot]

Maybe Ron Paul could have won if Trump had donated to his campaign.

Donald Trump is not that kind of guy. He is in it for himself not for promoting liberty. I think that is why the establishment cant stand him either, he does not give a crap about them, he is not a team player, can not be trusted.

If he is establishment then why did he talk about 9/11 and became a birther? Stuff that got him labeled a fringe candidate?

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/2011/04/27/abc-ron-paul-and-trump-on-the-fringe/

Political analysts at ABC News place Ron Paul and Donald Trump in the same category, the “fringe.” Their headline yesterday:

Donald Trump and Ron Paul: Republican Fringe Out in Front of 2012 Field

But don’t worry, folks — the rest of the analysis, which reads in part like a high school civics essay, reassures us that less scary candidates like Romney and Pawlenty will get into the race soon:

To be sure, there’s plenty of time for the more establishment-oriented candidates like ex-Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and ex-Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty to recapture the spotlight. Most voters are paying very little attention to the process at this time.

And again today on The Note blog, ABC’s reporters cite their own cutting edge analysis to characterize Paul as part of the same “fringe” as Trump:

Even more broadly, there’s also growing concern among the GOP establishment, not only in states like New Hampshire and Iowa but also around the country that the Republican presidential field is fast becoming defined not by the mainstream but by the fringes.

With Trump raising questions about President Obama’s birth certificate and whether or not he was qualified to attend Columbia University and Harvard Law School and Rep. Ron Paul, R-Tex., a favorite of the libertarian-leaning grassroots during the 2008 election cycle, announcing a presidential exploratory committee yesterday, party leaders are wondering what has become of those who they see as the more serious establishment contenders.

 

[juleswin]

Just IMHO, I think he has swallowed the red pill over the last few years.

I too swallow several pills whenever I am trying to get into a woman's pants. I only wish all of them in the future will be as gullible as you are with Trump

 

[AuH20]

Just IMHO, I think he has swallowed the red pill over the last few years.

Trump ran the for the nomination of the Reform Party in 2000. I doubt he suddenly woke up yesterday to the state of affairs. The fact that Jesse Ventura is still adamant about running with him is very telling.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/12/politics/donald-trump-jesse-ventura-roger-stone-vice-president/

 

[Origanalist]

I too swallow several pills whenever I am trying to get into a woman's pants. I only wish all of them in the future will be as gullible as you are with Trump

I'm dying here...so what color are the pills you swallow?

 

[hells_unicorn]

Being anti-establishment and being pro-liberty are not the same thing. The Bolsheviks were anti-establishment when they made war against the Russian political structure, and only retarded people would assert that the Bolsheviks were in any way supporters of liberty, especially after they'd gained power.

Trump is anti-establishment in the sense that he is fighting an established power (Neocons/RNC), he is not, however, our ally and is not a friend of the policies that most on this forum support, including myself on most issues. I'm not supporting him, though I think there is a theoretical argument that his destructive approach to dealing with the GOP's Neocon wing might be beneficial in the long-term, though as president he will likely do some damage (as all of the remaining candidates will to varying extents).

 

[juleswin]

I'm dying here...so what color are the pills you swallow?

Red pills, just like the one Trump took a few years ago. For a brief moment, it gives you the ability to believe whatever bullshit you're saying. And as George Costanza says "its not a lie if you believe it"

 

[Origanalist]

Red pills, just like the one Trump took a few years ago. For a brief moment, it gives you the ability to believe whatever bullshit you're saying. And as George Costanza says "its not a lie if you believe it"

My ex was a grand master of that philosophy.

 

[juleswin]

Being anti-establishment and being pro-liberty are not the same thing. The Bolsheviks were anti-establishment when they made war against the Russian political structure, and only retarded people would assert that the Bolsheviks were in any way supporters of liberty, especially after they'd gained power.

Trump is anti-establishment in the sense that he is fighting an established power (Neocons/RNC), he is not, however, our ally and is not a friend of the policies that most on this forum support, including myself on most issues. I'm not supporting him, though I think there is a theoretical argument that his destructive approach to dealing with the GOP's Neocon wing might be beneficial in the long-term, though as president he will likely do some damage (as all of the remaining candidates will to varying extents).

Seeing the level of establishment media attention he is getting, I would wager that he is not even anti establishment of any kind. I would liken him to a controlled opposition and opposition in this case being the democratic party not the republican party. I have a hard time believing that a man who has been palling around with establishment politicians decides to become anti establishment the moment he decides to run for office.

No anti establishment I have ever heard of has even given a whole prime time televised town hall on his own.

 

[Miss Annie]

Trump ran the for the nomination of the Reform Party in 2000. I doubt he suddenly woke up yesterday to the state of affairs. The fact that Jesse Ventura is still adamant about running with him is very telling.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/12/politics/donald-trump-jesse-ventura-roger-stone-vice-president/

I think he understood all along the financial aspects. But I think he recently woke up to the blatant criminal activity. Maybe I am wrong, wouldn't be the first time.

 

[openfire]

Seeing the level of establishment media attention he is getting, I would wager that he is not even anti establishment of any kind. I would liken him to a controlled opposition and opposition in this case being the democratic party not the republican party. I have a hard time believing that a man who has been palling around with establishment politicians decides to become anti establishment the moment he decides to run for office.

No anti establishment I have ever heard of has even given a whole prime time televised town hall on his own.

No candidate attracts the kind of TV rating$ Trump does, either.

 

[timosman]

Just IMHO, I think he has swallowed the red pill over the last few years.

He saw an opening and decided to exploit it. Something Rand should have done. Rand was always too afraid to go for the jugular. Even when he was "attacking" Trump. People like a good show. Life is boring, a good entertainment is always welcome.

 

[juleswin]

No candidate attracts the kind of TV rating$ Trump does, either.

So now the MSM would give millions of dollars worth of TV promotion to an anti establishment politician because of ratings? If you believe the narrative on the powers that be, then you cannot believe they would risk losing power over a few extra add revenue.

Trump is not and has never been anti establishment. He is a front for Hillary and you will see that come Nov