If the current CR continues Biden level spending, does that mean the BBB didn't cut spending?

[Invisible Man]

My thread title is an honest question.

Someone who understands this please educate me.

If the BBB had all these spending cuts that Republican supporters of it claimed it had, then wouldn't a clean continuing resolution that gets passed now be one that carries forward those same cuts, and not the Biden level spending that was in place prior to the BBB?

So, since the Republicans keep talking about how this CR they currently support is a clean CR that continues the Biden-level spending that Democrats previously voted for, doesn't that mean the BBB actually didn't have any immediate cuts in it?

 

[nikcers]

Its one of those things where both things can be true.

The Biden era spending had temporary spending increases because of budgeting rules. So extending the spending lets the Biden era spending increases expire.

Making it not really the Biden era spending but also making it the Biden era spending.

 

[oyarde]

My thread title is an honest question.

Someone who understands this please educate me.

If the BBB had all these spending cuts that Republican supporters of it claimed it had, then wouldn't a clean continuing resolution that gets passed now be one that carries forward those same cuts, and not the Biden level spending that was in place prior to the BBB?

So, since the Republicans keep talking about how this CR they currently support is a clean CR that continues the Biden-level spending that Democrats previously voted for, doesn't that mean the BBB actually didn't have any immediate cuts in it?

Id guess yes without reading entire bills .my basis is spending hasn't gone down so any cuts would have been offset by other spending increases.also the senate has a record of about zero of any real cuts , so they won't really pass anything with any real cuts in spending

 

[nikcers]

Id guess yes without reading entire bills .my basis is spending hasn't gone down so any cuts would have been offset by other spending increases.also the senate has a record of about zero of any real cuts , so they won't really pass anything with any real cuts in spending

They have to write the budgets under rules that offset any spending increases with future spending cuts.

So what normally happens is the conservatives complain and say well those future spending cuts need to happen now because when the future comes you guys never actually do any spending cuts.

So Biden era spending did a bunch of spending increases and put in future cuts.

Trump passes Big Beautiful Bill that makes some of the existing tax rates permanent and continues the existing spending which allows for the temporary spending increases to expire.

Well conservatives like Rand Paul like that. Its just if he says he likes it then the democrats are going to say look- the spending bill is conservative.

So conservatives call it Biden era spending because technically it is and criticize the fact that it doesn't cut enough because thats what you do in a negotiation.

You always ask for more than what you can get and that way you get as much as you can.

 

[PAF]

does that mean the BBB didn't cut spending?

Was it supposed to? And even if it did, due to "efficiency", would "reduced spending" be a-o-k even when the fed.gov grows in power and scope?

The only way to stop spending is to actually eliminate federal agencies/programs, not streamline them.

Trying to analyze "spending" [or what the Left versus Right does] is such a waste of time when it's known that the whole cabal is being run by the elites, "efficiently", "technologically" and/or otherwise. Seriously, how many more "election cycles" until folks figure it out?

Btw, has anybody seen The Jones Plantation?

 

[TheTexan]

Sorta like my 2nd ex wife. She kept claiming she was cutting spending but she never actually did

 

[unknown]

Was that the claim, that they were going to cut spending, .

 

[Invisible Man]

Id guess yes without reading entire bills .my basis is spending hasn't gone down so any cuts would have been offset by other spending increases.also the senate has a record of about zero of any real cuts , so they won't really pass anything with any real cuts in spending

What I think it is is that the only spending cuts Republicans have actually passed are set to take effect in future years. None are immediate.

In other words, they're make believe and they will never happen. It's Congress in 2025 passing a bill that says, "We're going to cut spending in in 2028." But spending in 2028 is going to be set by Congress in 2027. It's like saying, "We don't have the resolve to cut spending, but we're going to pass a bill telling a future Congress to do what we were unwilling to do. And that future Congress can either do it or not."

 

[Invisible Man]

Sorta like my 2nd ex wife. She kept claiming she was cutting spending but she never actually did

You were looking at the wrong number. Every time she went shopping, you were supposed to pay attention to how much she saved.

 

[nikcers]

What I think it is is that the only spending cuts Republicans have actually passed are set to take effect in future years. None are immediate.

In other words, they're make believe and they will never happen. It's Congress in 2025 passing a bill that says, "We're going to cut spending in in 2028." But spending in 2028 is going to be set by Congress in 2027. It's like saying, "We don't have the resolve to cut spending, but we're going to pass a bill telling a future Congress to do what we were unwilling to do. And that future Congress can either do it or not."

Theoretically all spending is done for the year so all cuts would happen next year.

That's how the obamacare spending cuts the Trump administration passed cut spending.

They were already paid for- for this year and in order to cut them they cut them out starting next year.

You can't cut something after the services are already ordered and paid for.

That would be like terminating your electricity service after you already used it for a month. You still owe the bill for the electricity you bought.

 

[Invisible Man]

Theoretically all spending is done for the year so all cuts would happen next year.

That's how the obamacare spending cuts the Trump administration passed cut spending.

They were already paid for- for this year and in order to cut them they cut them out starting next year.

You can't cut something after the services are already ordered and paid for.

That would be like terminating your electricity service after you already used it for a month. You still owe the bill for the electricity you bought.

Do you believe that federal spending in 2026 will be lower than 2025?

I wasn't saying that the BBB had spending cuts that take effect in 2026. I was saying that its cuts are farther off in the future than that.

 

[nikcers]

Do you believe that federal spending in 2026 will be lower than 2025?

I wasn't saying that the BBB had spending cuts that take effect in 2026. I was saying that it's cuts are farther off in the future than that.

I think Trump is going to lower spending at the end of the day.

Especially when you look at the entire picture and not just line items.

Especially when you consider costs.

You don't have to spend as much to buy stuff when oil prices are down.

Thats just one aspect of many where Trump is lowering costs and when costs are lower prices are lower and spending is lower.

There's just no apples to apples comparison when it comes to purchasing power.

Another thing he is doing is ending the open borders.

We spend so much more on everything because of subsidies under democrat rule.

They were booking hotels at 200% rates and filling them with illegal immigrants.

That just raises the price you have to pay when you want to rent a hotel room.

The democrats were sending hundreds of billions of dollars to Ukraine and Republicans ended that.

So yeah when you compare the democrat party versus the republican party they are spending less and lowering the cost of government spending.

 

[Invisible Man]

I think Trump is going to lower spending at the end of the day.

He isn't going to do that, and he doesn't have any desire to.

 

[nikcers]

He isn't going to do that, and he doesn't have any desire to.

Yeah he does thats what his policies will do in comparison to democrat policies.

They will lower spending and give people more purchasing power or what I like to call bang for their buck. Since thats what matters most.

Nobody wants to live in a country with an economy where they can't buy anything or go on vacations or make lots of money. Even libertarians care about that stuff.

Im not comparing him to a libertarian party that doesn't have the votes to elect a president.

Im comparing him to the democrat party that actually has enough votes to elect a president.

 

[TheCount]

The bill was a spending increase.

 

[TheTexan]

The bill was a spending increase.

Seems like a radical claim. Source?

 

[Invisible Man]

Yeah he does thats what his policies will do in comparison to democrat policies.

They will lower spending and give people more purchasing power or what I like to call bang for their buck. Since thats what matters most.

Nobody wants to live in a country with an economy where they can't buy anything or go on vacations or make lots of money. Even libertarians care about that stuff.

Im not comparing him to a libertarian party that doesn't have the votes to elect a president.

Im comparing him to the democrat party that actually has enough votes to elect a president.

Cut spending means spending less in year X+1 than in year X.

Edit: I would even take spending less in year X+1 than year X after allowing for increases due to inflation and population growth. But we're not even going to get that.

 

[nikcers]

Cut spending means spending less in year X+1 than in year X.

What about year 20 or 30?

Since a presidents policies
last for decades.

Whether its foreign policy decisions or supreme court nominations those far outlast a president.

How much did George Bush's invasion of Iraq cost in 2009 when he wasn't president or 2010 or 2011?

If you arent willing to price in the real costs of the democrats policies and compare them then its not a real comparison.

How much did Obama cost Americans when his policies carried over after 2017 or How about in 2020 when the country shut down because our healthcare system wasn't able to handle a pandemic because of obamacare?

 

[Invisible Man]

What about year 20 or 30?

Since a presidents policies
last for decades.

Whether its foreign policy decisions or supreme court nominations those far outlast a president.

How much did George Bush's invasion of Iraq cost in 2009 when he wasn't president or 2010 or 2011?

If you arent willing to price in the real costs of the democrats policies and compare them then its not a real comparison.

How much did Obama cost Americans when his policies carried over after 2017 or How about in 2020 when the country shut down because our healthcare system wasn't able to handle a pandemic because of obamacare?

Nope. If cuts don't happen within a year, they don't count. Promises that another president and Congress in the future will have the courage to let cuts take effect don't count toward the current president and Congress who make that promise and lack the courage to oversee the cuts in their own tenure. Because we all know that those future cuts aren't actually ever going to happen either.

 

[Invisible Man]

What about year 20 or 30?

Since a presidents policies
last for decades.

Whether its foreign policy decisions or supreme court nominations those far outlast a president.

How much did George Bush's invasion of Iraq cost in 2009 when he wasn't president or 2010 or 2011?

If you arent willing to price in the real costs of the democrats policies and compare them then its not a real comparison.

How much did Obama cost Americans when his policies carried over after 2017 or How about in 2020 when the country shut down because our healthcare system wasn't able to handle a pandemic because of obamacare?

The country didn't shut down in 2020 because of Obamacare. It shut down because the guy who was President in 2020 decided to shut it down.