If Ron Paul wins Maine...

[alucard13mmfmj]

Shower Maine with love if Maine pulls through for Ron Paul ^^.

All these taxes =|..

 

[daviddee]

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[Sovereign Curtis]

And those states usually have a high per-capita GDP.

NH's wages are much lower than other states while the tax burden is many times higher (queue: People who state NH is low tax... while not ever doing the math for high earners).

Source, or gtfo. NH has one of the highest median incomes in the nation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States#Income_by_state

 

[Keith and stuff]

Source, or gtfo. NH has one of the highest median incomes in the nation

Thank you. New Hampshire has the highest median household income in the US last I looked. Perhaps that has changed slightly but it still has a very high MHI compared to pretty much every other state.
http://www.seacoastonline.com/articles/20100926-NEWS-9260325

Per capita pay is also higher in NH than average, obviously. I mean seriously. It is almost like that person was saying the exact opposite of the truth just so that we could prove him wrong so much that we wow everyone with how amazing NH is.

Of course, NH also has the lowest poverty and the lowest child poverty in the US. Why do you think NH is the wealthiest state in the US?

lowest poverty http://www.unionleader.com/article/20111020/NEWS06/111029979&source=RSS
lowest child poverty http://www.unionleader.com/article/20http://www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/acsbr10-05.pdflowest extreme poverty
wealthiest state http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/16/news/economy/Americas_wealthiest_states/index.htm

 

[Keith and stuff]

And those states usually have a high per-capita GDP.

NH's wages are much lower than other states while the tax burden is many times higher (queue: People who state NH is low tax... while not ever doing the math for high earners).

The NH tax system is designed to reward those that do well and it encourages people to be successful. You are claiming the exact opposite of how it is designed. High earners pay far less in NH.

If someone earns $50,000 or $200,000 in NH, they pay they same income tax, zero. They both pay zero sales tax on cars and at department stores.

Regressive Rhode Island taxes poor the most in New England
February 6th, 2012 at 10:09 am by Ted Nesi
http://blogs.wpri.com/2012/02/06/regressive-rhode-island-taxes-poor-the-most-in-new-england/

The richest Rhode Islanders pay 5.6% of their income in taxes – less than in Vermont (7.5%) and Maine (6.9%) but more than in Connecticut (5.5%), Massachusetts (4.8%) and New Hampshire (2%).

 

[Mark37snj]

If Ron Paul wins Maine I'm gona cash in all my change in my coin jar and donate it to Ron Paul.

 

[daviddee]

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[Keith and stuff]

Your post is factually incorrect.
Your post assumes that everyone in NH works for someone or works in NH. That may be your situation, but that is not the situation for a lot of people.

I understand that people do not always live and work in the same state. I know several people that live in NH but work in NH, VT and MA (one of them even sometimes works in NY and CT.) None of them pay any income tax to any state. I live in NH but I used to work in MA and NY, and I never had to pay income tax to any state. It depends on the job. Many jobs, such as sales and security, often don't tax people that live in NH and work in another state. In fact, I've known maybe a dozen security workers that lived in NH but worked in NY, MA, CT and ME that never paid any state income tax.

There are other people that live in NH but work for a MA based company. However, these people sometimes work at home in NH and sometimes work at an office in MA. These people are only taxed by MA for the income they earn while at the MA office.

Of course, NH isn't the only state where this happens. It's common for people to work across state lines. When I lived in TN, I know people that worked in MS or AR. They had to pay income taxes to those states, enough though TN doesn't have a state income tax. The situation is also common on the WA/OR border and other borders.

Last I heard, the number of people that live in NH and work in MA was something like 15% of the working population. That makes sense as there are 3 cities with between 50,000 and 100,000 in MA on the NH/MA border. There are plenty of other near-by cities in MA that are also large.

Honestly, I have no idea why you even brought that point up since it is in no way unique to NH and still doesn't change much (if anything) for most people.

The people who live in NH and work in MA = Income taxes are paid to the State of MA

As I reviewed, some of them pay no income taxes to the state of MA. Some people pay partial income taxes to MA. Some pay income taxes on their full, often very high, pay.

The people who live in NH and are self employed = Income taxes are paid to the State of NH

Self employed don't pay any income taxes to NH on their income. There were several business tax buts in 2011 and the burden of proof for business profits tax were shifted from the companies to the government (while additional money wasn't given to the government for audits.) So for example, if you own a business in NH and you make $250,000 per year in NH profits after you have paid off all of your bills, payed all of your employees, upgraded equipment and so on, you can pay yourself $200,000 per year in salary (or whatever amount you want.) Your salary is your person income, and of course, that isn't taxed in NH. With the other $50,000, you can pay business taxes on it, but the carry forward periods for business profits and loses are 10 years in NH. The smarter thing to do is to have someone in your family also work in the business and pay them the $100,000 or any of a million creative ways to get out of most business and all wage taxes in NH. There is still another, business tax in NH that is very hard to avoid, however, the tax is only for businesses that have gross business receipts in excess of $150,000. It is a low tax. There was a 2011 bill to increase the threshold from $150,000 to $200,000, unfortunately it didn't become law. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...threshold-for-taxation-under-the-business-tax

So anyway, I'm not claiming that there are no corporate taxes in NH. But if you work at a job, even for yourself, and the job is located inside NH (and sometimes outside) you don't have to pay any taxes on your wage. If it is a very small company you own, you may also pay zero or very little corporate taxes.

Became law in 2011:
HB187
Passed without Gov. Lynch’s signature
This bill changes the carry forward periods from 5 years to 10 years for the business enterprise tax credit against the business profits tax.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...e-the-ability-to-carry-business-taxes-forward
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/bil...sortoption=&txtsessionyear=2011&txtsstatus=11

SB125
Passed without Gov. Lynch’s signature
This bill modifies standards and burden of proof with respect to the business profits tax deduction for reasonable compensation attributable to owners of partnerships, limited liability companies, and sole proprietorships.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-of-proof-of-business-taxes-on-the-government
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/bil...tion=&txtsessionyear=2011&txtbillnumber=sb125

How do they accomplish this? By taxing the shit out of business, real estate, dividends/interest, etc? It is clear what rung you on are... as if you were actually cutting the checks you would not be living in NH.

As I demonstrated, business taxes for small companies are zero to low in NH. Larger companies do pay taxes, but typically near the lowest in the Northeast. There are real estate taxes, but that is common in most states, although, perhaps not as high as in NH. Dividends/interest taxes are very low in NH compared to most states.

 

[Keith and stuff]

http://www.thesunchronicle.com/articles/2012/01/01/news/10724060.txt

New Hampshire residents not far behind Bay State
BOSTON - New Hampshire has long been considered New England's tax haven of the North, while Massachusetts is stigmatized as the tax-heavy blue state on the bay.

I agree. For example, often in the Boston burb's, people pay higher property tax bills than almost everyone in NH, in addition to a state income and sales tax. Not to mention that fees, tolls and tickets and excise taxes tend to be high, sometimes significantly in MA, when compared to NH. However, people in western MA tend to have properties with much less (sometimes under $100,000) and property tax rates tend to be lower also.

Both states were below the 10.4 percent national average; only four states had a lower combined tax rate than New Hampshire.

I agree that MA isn't anywhere near the worst state when it comes to taxes. However, especially when compared to NH, every fee, charge, excise tax, toll and ticket tends to be higher, not just the main taxes people think about. And while on a whole, 4 states have a combined tax rate lower than NH, property taxes vary significantly in NH. Some of the communities in NH don't have property taxes. Other communities have very low property taxes. Some communities have high property taxes. However, even in many of those communities, you can live in a mobile home on some land and pay around $1,000 per year in property taxes. Then there are the super rich with huge houses in high tax property tax communities that pay over $15,000 per year in property taxes, but that is true in most states.

A person living in Manchester, N.H., pays a 2.2 percent property tax, but residents of New Hampshire's only island town of New Castle pay only a 0.6 percent property tax rate.

Many Massachusetts towns don't fall too far from New Hampshire's property tax levels. Salem residents face a 1.5 percent property tax rate; homeowners in Milford pay a 1.1 percent property tax.

Exactly. And as I said, there are areas in NH with zero property taxes. There are other areas with a rate below 0.6.

"Every state has its tax issues," Moody said. "New Hampshire doesn't have a sales tax, but they do have an 8 percent tax on lodging and meals. So, someone who enjoys going out to nice restaurants often is going to see themselves paying more."

That's a great point. There is also a 9% car rental tax in NH. These rates are lower than the 15% to 20% or so rates that WA and NY charge and likely lower than what many states change. However, these taxes tend to exist in NH and almost all other states. People don't mind them because these taxes are considered to hit the tourists, the visiting media (especially in NH during Primary season), out of state shoppers (especially in NH) and the upper middle class and wealthy. Personally, I don't rent cars in NH. I don't stay at hotels, either. If I want to stay in a certain part of the state, I stay with a friend or camp. I almost never eat at public restaurants in NH. I tend to cook at home (it is a prepared food tax) or eat at underground restaurants (which, obviously, don't charge taxes.) 1000s of people in NH know about the underground restaurants.

My rent is under $300 per month so I don't pay a lot of property taxes either. When I did work in NY and MA, I never had to pay state taxes on the income because of the nature of my job. I guess, it depends

 

[nobody's_hero]

I don't think Free Staters took into account that they picked a state right next to Massachusetts. I like the idea of the FSP, but apparently, so do liberals from Massachusetts who screwed up their own state, who can't figure out why things went horribly wrong, and then moved into New Hampshire like locusts moving from one field of crops to another.

 

[Keith and stuff]

I don't think Free Staters took into account that they picked a state right next to Massachusetts. I like the idea of the FSP, but apparently, so do liberals from Massachusetts who screwed up their own state, who can't figure out why things went horribly wrong, and then moved into New Hampshire like locusts moving from one field of crops to another.

We did take it into account. Keep in mind that several thousand of the top liberty activists in the nation voted in the which state vote. I am not talking about small time stuff, I say many, if not most of the top liberty activists in the nation, at the time of the vote, voted on which state and New Hampshire won.

Why did New Hampshire win? It won because the Governor Benson, the governor of New Hampshire, joined as a Friend. It won because the New Hampshire Libertarian Party created a 101 Reasons to Move to New Hampshire document. It won because Porcfest 0 was held in New Hampshire and really excited a lot of people. It also won because of other reasons. For example, New Hampshire has both the most locally controlled government state structure in the US and also the easiest to change. NH, along with DE (one of the 10 states considered) offered the best job prospects. NH because some of it is part of the Boston MSA. DE because some of it is part of the Philly MSA. Of course there were other reason, such as NH being the freest state in the nation, and NH being the state where the LP was most famous. No doubt the lack of a board based sales on income tax was also a factor, something that exists partially because NH is so close to MA. A large portion of the taxes paid in NH are paid by people from MA. A large portions of the jobs in NH exist because of people from MA visiting NH to shop and vacation.

As for people that move from MA to NH, the majority of them move for good reasons. They move because MA is too statist, because taxes are lower in NH and because the cost of living is lower in NH. Lots of the most effective activists and even legislators in NH are former MA residents. The awesome Speaker of the House moved from MA, some of the elected Free Staters moved from MA, and even a Senior Moderator of Ron Paul Forums moved from MA to NH.

Statistically, the statists moving to NH tend to be from other parts of New England and New Jersey. Unfortunately, NH has a very vibrant economy and it has been that way for years, at least compared to the other economies east of the Mississippi River. There are lots of high tech, bio-tech, health, education, defense contracting and other advanced jobs in New Hampshire. Not surprisingly, people from the Northeast with advanced degrees tend to be statists. Unfortunately, New Hampshire is widely considered by many indexes and rankings (not just freedom related), one of the best places to live in the US. So naturally, people are attracted to NH. In some ways, New Hampshire is a victim of its own success. However, that doesn't mean it cannot get better and more free. In fact, that happened last year, will happen this year, and likely happen in many years yet to come.