If mandatory service is slavery, what about jury duty?

[nodope0695]

I side with danberkely on this issue. Any way you look at it, it's slavery.

AHHHHHHHH!!!!

Did you come up with that from reading only this tread, or have you at least tried to think critically and do some research of your own....or is it because, like Obama, danberkely speaks in soundbites, and just seems like a nice guy?

 

[LibertyEagle]

I side with danberkely on this issue. Any way you look at it, it's slavery.

Well then, would you prefer that juries were abolished and guilt or innocence determined by the judge? Or maybe Homeland Security should do it?

Sitting on juries are one of the few legitimate civic duty requirements of a Republic, or rule by law.

 

[nodope0695]

Well then, would you prefer that juries were abolished and guilt or innocence determined by the judge? Or maybe Homeland Security should do it?

Sitting on juries are one of the few legitimate civic duty requirements of a Republic, or rule by law.

If you want you may feel free to use the picture I posted above. :bunchies:

 

[LibertyEagle]

Look guys, if you want to apply your anarchist leanings, use jury duty as an opportunity to hand out the Jurors Bill of Rights to your fellow jurors. Basically, it informs them that they don't have to listen to the judge's orders and if they believe a law is wrong, they don't have to sentence someone to enforce that bad law.

The system isn't perfect, but serving on a jury is one of the ways we have to deal with bad laws and help make sure our fellow countrymen are treated justly. If/when our country falls, trial-by-jury will likely be gone. It will be a sad day.

 

[nodope0695]

Look guys, if you want to apply your anarchist leanings, use jury duty as an opportunity to hand out the Jurors Bill of Rights to your fellow jurors. Basically, it informs them that they don't have to listen to the judge's orders and if they believe a law is wrong, they don't have to sentence someone to enforce that bad law.

The system isn't perfect, but serving on a jury is one of the ways we have to deal with bad laws and help make sure our fellow countrymen are treated justly.

Amen again!!! You have exerciiiiiised the demon!

 

[Pennsylvania]

Did you come up with that from reading only this tread, or have you at least tried to think critically and do some research of your own....or is it because, like Obama, danberkely speaks in soundbites, and just seems like a nice guy?

Well, I didn't get the impression he was a nice guy or was speaking in soundbites, though he may very well be either. Admittedly, I haven't read extensively on the subject of jury duty. I don't think I'm wrong in believing that most others here haven't as well.

Well then, would you prefer that juries were abolished and guilt or innocence determined by the judge? Or maybe Homeland Security should do it?

No. Ideally, I would prefer voluntary participation. My problem with the arguments on the other side is not that they are wrong in suggesting that trying to get rid of juries as they stand now would be difficult, but rather that at its core, it is involuntary servitude, backed by state power, and done for the "greater good", much like the draft or taxes.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Admittedly, I haven't read extensively on the subject of jury duty.

Perhaps you should.

 

[nodope0695]

Well, I didn't get the impression he was a nice guy or was speaking in soundbites, though he may very well be either. Admittedly, I haven't read extensively on the subject of jury duty. I don't think I'm wrong in believing that most others here haven't as well.



No. Ideally, I would prefer voluntary participation. My problem with the arguments on the other side is not that they are wrong in suggesting that trying to get rid of juries as they stand now would be difficult, but rather that at its core, it is involuntary servitude, backed by state power, and done for the "greater good", much like the draft or taxes.

In the case of jury duty, it is a civic duty that serves not only the accused, but ultimately yourself. By selecting potential jurers from a pool, such as driver's license, or voting rolls, they are able to get a cross section of people from all walks of life, who truly are peers of the accused.

In a voluntary system, we'd run the risk of "professional" jurers, or cases where only one or very few demographics are represented. For instance, in a predomently black city, a white man would face an all black jury, and vice versa. Likely, people of the afluent and/or educated classes would not partake, and thus a jury would not be evenly represented.

Just seems so minor an issue anyway. So, we get summoned for jury duty. IF we're selected at all, we get to take part in the nuts and bolts of the justice system instead of watching it on TV. Better yet, maybe, just maybe, we learn something new that we can take with us on our journey. And, we don't have to dodge bullets, put on a uniform, or shovel mud onto a levy.

 

[Truth Warrior]

If mandatory service is slavery, what about jury duty?

INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE.

Income Tax with holding, collection and accounting?

INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE.

Etc., etc., etc.

INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE.

 

[nodope0695]

If mandatory service is slavery, what about jury duty?

INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE.

Income Tax with holding, collection and accounting?

INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE.

Etc., etc., etc.

INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE.

But Joe Biden said it was patriotic to pay more taxes!

I agree that income tax is bad, and servitude - same with property taxes.

I just can't compare jury duty to slavery....it has a higher purpose. Its performing a service for our countrymen. We'd hope for the same from them if we were the accused.

 

[Truth Warrior]

But Joe Biden said it was patriotic to pay more taxes!

I agree that income tax is bad, and servitude - same with property taxes.

I just can't compare jury duty to slavery....it has a higher purpose. Its performing a service for our countrymen. We'd hope for the same from them if we were the accused.

Screw the higher purpose ( so called ). If it ain't voluntary it's INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE AKA SLAVERY.

Getting the cotton picked and fields plowed was a "higher purpose" too.

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/i071.htm

 

[jm1776]

Ron Paul presents "Power to the Jury"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA4GKG__B-s

 

[LibertyEagle]

Screw the higher purpose ( so called ). If it ain't voluntary it's INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE AKA SLAVERY.

Getting the cotton picked and fields plowed was a "higher purpose" too.

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/i071.htm

If you are an informed juror, you have the power to ignore bad laws by finding the person innocent of breaking that law. Our government was intended to be participatory. This is one of the few vestiges of that remaining.

Give it up that privilege if you want, but don't come crying if you ever find yourself in a court of law.

 

[Truth Warrior]

If you are an informed juror, you have the power to ignore bad laws by finding the person innocent of breaking that law. Our government was intended to be participatory. This is one of the few vestiges of that remaining.

Give it up that privilege if you want, but don't come crying if you ever find yourself in a court of law.

OK, I won't. Especially if the "jurors" ( so called ) are anything like you.

 

[LibertyEagle]

OK, I won't. Especially if the "jurors" ( so called ) are anything like you.

Frustrated again, TW? I notice you really start increasing the insults when you get your ass handed to you in a conversation.

 

[Truth Warrior]

Frustrated again, TW? I notice you really start increasing the insults when you get your ass handed to you in a conversation.

Just keep fabricating your delusional CRAP.

As I said elsewhere, silly, DISHONEST AND lazy. <SHRUG! > < YAWN >

Don't you have a GOP to "take over" and reform somewhere? <--- QUESTION

 

[LibertyEagle]

Don't you have a GOP to "take over" and reform somewhere? <--- QUESTION

ANSWER

Working on it....

 

[Truth Warrior]

ANSWER

Working on it....

Nice cut and paste there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_quoting_out_of_context

 

[LibertyEagle]

You asked a question and I answered it. Nothing was taken out of context.

 

[Truth Warrior]

You asked a question and I answered it. Nothing was taken out of context.

Now if you'd just learn to use the Quote button.