If 'Assault Weapons' are bad.....

[mad cow]

Why does the DHS want to buy 7,000 of them for 'Personal Defense' ?

The Department of Homeland Security is seeking to acquire 7,000 5.56x45mm NATO “personal defense weapons” (PDW) — also known as “assault weapons” when owned by civilians. The solicitation, originally posted on June 7, 2012, comes to light as the Obama administration is calling for a ban on semi-automatic rifles and high capacity magazines.

Citing a General Service Administration (GSA) request for proposal (RFP), Steve McGough of RadioViceOnline.com reports that DHS is asking for the 7,000 “select-fire” firearms because they are “suitable for personal defense use in close quarters.” The term select-fire means the weapon can be both semi-automatic and automatic. Civilians are prohibited from obtaining these kinds of weapons.

The RFP describes the firearm as “Personal Defense Weapon (PDW) – 5.56x45mm NATO, select-fire firearm suitable for personal defense use in close quarters and/or when maximum concealment is required.” Additionally, DHS is asking for 30 round magazines that “have a capacity to hold thirty (30) 5.56x45mm NATO rounds.”

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...ant-to-buy-7000-of-them-for-personal-defense/

Some animals are more equal than other animals,I reckon.

 

[TheTexan]

I find that last part quite interesting, as requiring maximum concealment for a 5.56x45mm NATO weapon is not really a run of the mill request.

Each prospective vendor has been asked to provide to the DHS their weapons, which will be tested at the National Firearms and Tactical Training Unit (NFTTU) in Altoona, Pennsylvania, which is run by ICE.

The DHS solicitation (PDF) says that each vendor is to provide, “Only one specific nomenclature firearm … for solicitation testing [to be] considered for contract award.”

It is also interesting that the solicitation specifically states that, “The awardee or awardees of the subject contract agrees to allow DHS to release testing data of their firearm samples to Federal agencies, Military, and law enforcement.”

The solicitation also specifies that the guns will be quite small for a rifle at a mere 30 inches or less with the stock fully extended and 20 inches or less with the stock fully retracted or folded.

They also specify that the barrel must come equipped with a flash suppressor and/or muzzle brake, noting, “The muzzle device will be rated on its ability to reduce muzzle signature.”

http://EndtheLie.com/2012/06/12/dhs...-nato-personal-defense-weapons/#ixzz2JF0HIopF

Oddly enough I am also in the market for such a firearm. I'm thinking something like the IWI Tavor, but even that's not 20 inches or less. Anyone have any ideas on a weapon with a 16" barrel that meets that description?

 

[oyarde]

No

 

[mad cow]

I think that is impossible with a 16" barrel,so they are much shorter than what we mundanes are allowed to own.A nice perk,along with the select-fire for a 'personal defense weapon'.

The shortest rifle,by far,that I own is a Browning Buckmark .22 rifle and at 33 1/2",it is tiny.

 

[TheTexan]

That's what I was thinking too, but I'm always surprised when I see things like the Sub-2000. If only they had that in 5.56

 

[shane77m]

I expect to wake up sometime and find that the lunacy the American people have been subjected to is all a bad dream.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

I expect to wake up sometime and find that the lunacy the American people have been subjected to is all a bad dream.

That the world has been subjected to....

Shane...hey man...wake up man....me too

 

[Cleaner44]

Oddly enough I am also in the market for such a firearm. I'm thinking something like the IWI Tavor, but even that's not 20 inches or less. Anyone have any ideas on a weapon with a 16" barrel that meets that description?

Kel-Tec SU-16CA

The SU-16CA is a hybrid of the SU-16C and SU-16A rifles. It comes with the same 16-inch barrel with Chrome-lined bore and chamber and 1/2-28 threads as the C model. All features from the C model are retained and combined with the stock of the A model. The SU-16CA will come with 2 10 round magazines that store in the stock and all the same Parkerized parts as the C model. Like the A model, the SU-16CA can be folded for storage and it will not fire in the folded position. This allows for it to be purchased in most states that still have an "Assault Weapons Ban"
http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/rifles/su-16ca/

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Anyone know where anything Kel-Tec is in stock? The shotgun or rifles?

 

[pcosmar]

AR 57
Though it is not 5.56 and not sure of the specs. The SBR version would be a nice personal defense weapon.

 

[mortepa]

A FN SCAR 16 SBR with a 10-11" barrel would meet these specs. You would have to retune the gas port of course if you swap barrels out.

Just FYI - the standard 16.25" barrel version ranges from 25" with stock folded to 31-35" with stock unfolded and extended. So that might suffice in your case too.

Unfortunately, the standard SCARS are selling on Gunbroker for >$4-5,000.00!!! Plus I'm sure it would be a chore to locate a 10" barrel for one right now.

 

[AFPVet]

Personally, a 16 inch barrel is plenty short... almost too short if you ask me. A 16" barrel wussies out the .223 and it makes the .308 sound like a freaking pissed off .44 magnum! I love my AR-10 Carbine, but like I said, it's like shooting a pissed off, heavy loaded .44 magnum! I think a 20-22" would be perfect for a semi-auto .308 and a 20" would be ideal for the .223.

 

[TheTexan]

Just FYI - the standard 16.25" barrel version ranges from 25" with stock folded to 31-35" with stock unfolded and extended. So that might suffice in your case too.

Yes, I think it would. That should work just fine I think.

(Would prefer SBR but registering guns with the Federales kind of defeats the purpose of having these weapons)

 

[kcchiefs6465]

I really don't think you could find a 5.56 close to 20 inches total. (with the required 16'' barrel) I couldn't even imagine a bullpup being under 24-30''. I'm not saying there isn't something out there but I've never heard of it.

ETA: Ahh, I just noticed the 30'' total with stock extended. That makes a lot more sense. :o

 

[pacelli]

This is the reason why DHS are buying assault weapons. They are preparing to assault you.

 

[Pericles]

Without getting into NFA territory, a 14.7 pinned barrel and collapsible stock can get total length to 30.5 inches.

 

[TheTexan]

Without getting into NFA territory, a 14.7 pinned barrel and collapsible stock can get total length to 30.5 inches.

That's a good point.. I didn't know the NFA counted permanent muzzle devices in the length of the barrel, good tip.

I'm kind of an idiot with regard to muzzle devices and suppressors... are most muzzle devices designed to have a suppressor go over it, or do I need to look for that specifically?

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

The solicitation also specifies that the guns will be quite small for a rifle at a mere 30 inches or less with the stock fully extended and 20 inches or less with the stock fully retracted or folded.

Sounds like something you'd walk around a house with.