Idea: Johnson/Stein 2016?

[Athena]

The problem is that socialists kill people who stand in the way of their power. While there are many problems with the proposed ticket, that's the biggest one. Stein's party would never be happy with a President Johnson administration, and so...

Does that happen in Norway?

 

[Athena]

Why are you replying that way to that specific post by FrankRep?

He and I have a long thing where I detest him, and I assume the feeling is mutual.

 

[acptulsa]

I get it. It's a no-go.
Yáll won't compromise on economics, period.
You'd rather have ORomabama than an ideological compromise on economics.

Many here believe, and with good reason, that despite what they teach in the No Child Left Behind schools, Roosevelt's policies prolonged the Great Depression. That's part of it. But there's more.

There are two major differences between this and the Great Depression. One is that the 1971 Bretton Woods agreement completely divorced our funny money from gold. So, now it can become completely worthless. The other is that back then, we had credit. Not any more. People all over the world are becoming very afraid of our bonds.

No, we won't compromise on economics, period. Not at this point in history. Coolidge didn't either, and he presided over the Roaring Twenties. And we really, really want another Roaring Twenties. There's no excuse for people in the streets. Any compromise of that sort would just be a confused, counterproductive policy. What's needed is intensive repair. Singlemindedly intensive, effective repair. And a currency that allows those of us who don't have insider stock market information to stuff our mattresses without fear that our savings will shrink like wool in a hot dryer.

As for ORomabama, find us a realistic way to avoid that fate for the next four years and you'll get a different answer. For I fear that even folding in those on each end of the false left/right paradigm together won't enable us to add up to enough to outnumber those raised on the 'third parties can't win' brainwashing. We've been working on that, but we haven't gotten that far with it just yet.

Besides, if Stein's the vice president (otherwise known as the most useless job on earth), who will you run for governor of your state?

 

[FreedomFighter1776]

I want to see Rand Paul/Jesse Ventura. I know a lot of people dont like ventura, but he has balls. I like balls.

If we could pull Jesse to the side and convince him that health care is not a "right", I'd vote for him. Until then, no.
Stein isn't even an option.

 

[nobody's_hero]

It is somewhat interesting that there are socialistic countries in Europe that seem to enjoy a greater degree of freedom than we do.

I'm not advocating for socialism, and wouldn't vote for Jill.

My point is that I just don't know how those European countries manage to pull it off. Those people must be REALLY involved in what their government does, and don't let their government get away with much. Of course, with the E.U. growing increasingly powerful, those few countries that seem to enjoy freedom will not hold out much longer.

There's a battle over gun rights in Switzerland right now, but if you want to know where the 2nd Amendment has been hiding for the past century, it's not in the U.S. If I could have this sort of freedom to carry firearms I have to admit that I'd be somewhat tempted to say, 'okay I can deal with a little economic socialism'. Too bad you can't seem to have it all anymore.

I'd be happy to ride a bike in Switzerland:

If they tried that here in the U.S. they'd be run over by a SWAT armored personnel carrier.

Check out the The Swiss Gun Slide-Show:


http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/multimedia/picture_gallery/Gun_loving_folk_.html?cid=29123560

EDIT: See my next post:

 

[nobody's_hero]

Well, here's a conflicting interview. Too good to be true?:

 

[Victor Grey]

My point is that I just don't know how those European countries manage to pull it off.

On credit.

No wars.

Subsidized defense.

 

[nobody's_hero]

On credit.

No wars.

Subsidized defense.

No I mean, how do some countries manage to maintain, in some cases, a higher degree of freedom than WE do here in the U.S., even though these countries have a socialist government?

I can' only assume it must be because people are really involved in their government, and don't just give them a free pass and a bunch of tax dollars like socialists do here in the U.S. when they elect our leaders.

I'm just perplexed: How do they do it?

 

[cajuncocoa]

Nope. I can't imagine I would ever vote for a Green Party candidate...I don't support socialism.

 

[ronpaulfollower999]

I get it. It's a no-go.
Yáll won't compromise on economics, period.
You'd rather have ORomabama than an ideological compromise on economics.

I don't care about the 2 party monopoly. I care about economics, and will NOT compromise. Once you understand the Austrian Business Cycle, there is no place for Jill Stein's BS...or Gary Johnson's really.

 

[ronpaulfollower999]

Well, here's a conflicting interview. Too good to be true?:

Yeah, I wouldn't use the Swiss as an example. AFAIK, they have conscription and the guns the army gives you doesn't have any ammo.

 

[angelatc]

I get it. It's a no-go.
Yáll won't compromise on economics, period.
You'd rather have ORomabama than an ideological compromise on economics.

IMHO, it's the left that won't compromise on economics. They won't agree to give up a single dime of entitlement spending, and in fact Stein wants to make that number even larger. The compromise you seem to be touting is "We'll agree on military spending, and be polar opposites on entitlements." That isn't as much compromise as it is schizophrenia.

 

[angelatc]

Does that happen in Norway?

Eugenics aside, you mean?

Are you a socialist? Socialism has slaughtered over 100 million people in the last 100 years. That's not even a disputable figure.

Is Norway socialist? I thought they were a constitutional monarchy with a democratically elected government that sold oil to the rest of the world in order to fund their social programs. It's one of the most expensive places in the world to live.

And I dispute even that it's a proven success. It's current "success" is less than 60 years old. Before WWII, massive numbers Norwegians were coming to America to escape poverty. Give it some time - it will fail. Socialism always does.

I don't like Norway. It's dark, the people are hive-minded, and it smells like fish. If you prefer their model to freedom and responsibility, then go there. You get what you want, I get what I want. You get free stuff, I get liberty. The perfect compromise, no?

 

[jkob]

There really is no point in trying to appease the far left. You can work together on issues that you agree with but there is no acceptable way to meet on the stuff you don't for either side.

 

[angelatc]

There really is no point in trying to appease the far left. You can work together on issues that you agree with but there is no acceptable way to meet on the stuff you don't for either side.

Yeah, I've been listening to "Liberty Defined" again while working on the house, and am remembering his message. That it's more important to plant ideas than compromise simply for the sake of winning elections.

ALthough there's no chance in Hades that a Johnson / Stein ticket would win anything. The leftists would never pick Johnson over a Democrat, and the right would not touch Stein with the next guy's pole.

 

[Athena]

IMHO, it's the left that won't compromise on economics. They won't agree to give up a single dime of entitlement spending, and in fact Stein wants to make that number even larger. The compromise you seem to be touting is "We'll agree on military spending, and be polar opposites on entitlements." That isn't as much compromise as it is schizophrenia.

Did you read my OP? I gave TWO examples of giving up money that's going to social programs for the sake of balancing the budget, in the name of compromise.

 

[TheTexan]

Compromising with socialists generally has a net result of more socialism.

 

[Athena]

The leftists would never pick Johnson over a Democrat, and the right would not touch Stein with the next guy's pole.

Where are you getting this from???
Lots of leftists were willing to support RP over Obama. American history has proven that drones and kill lists and gulags are coming for the lefties quite literally next.

 

[Athena]

Eugenics aside, you mean?

Are you a socialist? Socialism has slaughtered over 100 million people in the last 100 years. That's not even a disputable figure.

Is Norway socialist? I thought they were a constitutional monarchy with a democratically elected government that sold oil to the rest of the world in order to fund their social programs. It's one of the most expensive places in the world to live.

And I dispute even that it's a proven success. It's current "success" is less than 60 years old. Before WWII, massive numbers Norwegians were coming to America to escape poverty. Give it some time - it will fail. Socialism always does.

I don't like Norway. It's dark, the people are hive-minded, and it smells like fish. If you prefer their model to freedom and responsibility, then go there. You get what you want, I get what I want. You get free stuff, I get liberty. The perfect compromise, no?

Norway is socialist depending on your definition of socialism. And everyone seems to have a different definition. Norway is solidly capitalist by Marx's definition of socialism.

ETA:
What are you meaning by eugenics?

 

[Tod]

No one but RAND PAUL!!! Stop scouring in the minor league dregs.

^Yes!^

I could not vote for a ticket with Stein.