Idea: Johnson/Stein 2016?

[FrankRep]

Regarding socialism, is Norway a socialist/fascist state?

Wikipedia says this about Norway's Government:

Unitary parliamentary constitutional monarchy

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Stein sounded like the coming of Santa Claus during the debate promising full paid college for everyone and a whole host of other "freebies". She's economically clueless.

 

[supermario21]

Stein sounded like the coming of Santa Claus during the debate promising full paid college for everyone and a whole host of other "freebies". She's economically clueless.

Too bad more people weren't watching, she'd steal all the brain dead Obama fans who are in college right now.

 

[Athena]

Ok, I guess you guys aren't willing to compromise to defeat the current DemGOP fascist regime.

Question answered.



I still think it was a good idea.

 

[FrankRep]

Ok, I guess you guys aren't willing to compromise to defeat the current DemGOP fascist regime.

Jill Stein is way too Socialist for even for most Democrats.

 

[acptulsa]

I love RP, but not Rand, tho.

Yeah, yeah. He makes the kind of noises that allows him to win a GOP primary, therefore he's easy to demonize. But his policies are Ron Paul's policies, and his honesty is Ron Paul's honesty. So, maybe it's time liberals learned who their friends are, no?

Look, we've been through this, and I thought the answer was obvious. The best thing for liberals--really, the best possible thing--is libertarians in Washington and your Dems or Greens or whoever down at the state capital. This is the best thing. Really.

If health care and regulation and all of that great stuff is handled on as local a level as possible, no libertarian will violate the Ninth and Tenth Amendments by interfering, and the corporations cannot easily distort the whole thing to their ends because to do it would require buying fifty state (and more than half a dozen territorial) legislatures. That's not easy. Washington, on the other hand, is easy. One stop shopping.

One stop shopping. There's your corporatism in a nutshell. Go to Washington and do one stop shopping. Just like that. Fill the legal code down in Washington and every mom and pop down at the farmer's market needs the same fourteen lawyers to do business that Monsanto needs to do business. Let the state legislatures handle it, and (depending on the state) mom and pop need one lawyer, while Monsanto needs at least fifty. One stop shopping.

Keeping Washington honest sounds good in theory. Didn't work. But if you keep Washington small, you don't have to convince twenty million voters nationwide that your local sewers are more important than gay marriage, abortion, and their own local sewers combined. You can just throw out the city council--and it doesn't take twenty million voters to do that.

"I do verily believe that..a single, consolidated government would become the most corrupt government on the earth." -- Thomas Jefferson

How much proof do we need that the man was absolutely right before we pull our heads out and believe him?

Ok, I guess you guys aren't willing to compromise to defeat the current DemGOP fascist regime.

No offense, but the Ninth and Tenth Amendments are a better compromise, and a better idea. They really are. We might not live in your liberal state after we work together to get libertarians in office, but no Constitutionalist worth his salt will stand in your way if the majority of the voters in your state want to experiment with socialism.

Hell, with a little healthy competition between the states, you might just make it work halfway well. Europe did, before they had a stupid attack and consolidated their efforts. Now it has all gone to hell...

Please, tell me how I'm wrong about this.

 

[Athena]

Jill Stein is way too Socialist for even for most Democrats.

No, the Obamabots say it's a nice ideal, but we have to work her ideas in through "incremental-ism"" and "pragmatism". Ha! Joke's on us.

 

[FrankRep]

No, the Obamabots say it's a nice ideal, but we have to work her ideas in through "incremental-ism"" and "pragmatism". Ha! Joke's on us.

I'd rather support Obama over Jill Stein.

Scary:

Jill Stein supports:

- FDR-like "Green New Deal" to end unemployment
- Government-stimulated Green economy
- Stopping Global Warming/Climate Change
- Global Peace
- Health care as a Human right
- Government (taxpayers) to pay for student loans
- Free college for everyone

 

[Athena]

Yeah, yeah. He makes the kind of noises that allows him to win a GOP primary, therefore he's easy to demonize. But his policies are Ron Paul's policies, and his honesty is Ron Paul's honesty. So, maybe it's time liberals learned who their friends are, no?

Look, we've been through this, and I thought the answer was obvious. The best thing for liberals--really, the best possible thing--is libertarians in Washington and your Dems or Greens or whoever down at the state capital. This is the best thing. Really.

If health care and regulation and all of that great stuff is handled on as local a level as possible, no libertarian will violate the Ninth and Tenth Amendments by interfering, and the corporations cannot easily distort the whole thing to their ends because to do it would require buying fifty state (and more than half a dozen territorial) legislatures. That's not easy. Washington, on the other hand, is easy. One stop shopping.

One stop shopping. There's your corporatism in a nutshell. Go to Washington and do one stop shopping. Just like that. Fill the legal code down in Washington and every mom and pop down at the farmer's market needs the same fourteen lawyers to do business that Monsanto needs to do business. Let the state legislatures handle it, and (depending on the state) mom and pop need one lawyer, while Monsanto needs at least fifty. One stop shopping.

Keeping Washington honest sounds good in theory. Didn't work. But if you keep Washington small, you don't have to convince twenty million voters nationwide that your local sewers are more important than gay marriage, abortion, and their own local sewers combined. You can just throw out the city council--and it doesn't take twenty million voters to do that.

"I do verily believe that..a single, consolidated government would become the most corrupt government on the earth." -- Thomas Jefferson

How much proof do we need that the man was absolutely right before we pull our heads out and believe him?

I don't disagree with any of that.
(and conversations like these are another primary reason I hang out here sometimes)

 

[acptulsa]

I don't disagree with any of that.
(and conversations like these are another primary reason I hang out here sometimes)

And the reason I've been around HuffPo, too.

This is really, really vital. This is the cure to corporatism. The Ninth and Tenth are all the compromise we need. And since I've yet to see the one size fits all social program that works equally well for Connecticut and Oklahoma, even with a perfect world and perfect politicians trying to help us and not the corporations, it will work better than Washington-based programs!

We'll compromise. Johnson for president, Stein for governor. Some here will stipulate Stein for governor of your state, not theirs. But it's a compromise that can work.

 

[Athena]

I'd rather support Obama over Jill Stein.

Scary:

I have a LOT of respect for most posters here, but little for you.

I assume the feeling is mutual.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

No one but RAND PAUL!!! Stop scouring in the minor league dregs.

This

 

[John F Kennedy III]

I have a LOT of respect for most posters here, but little for you.

I assume the feeling is mutual.

Why are you replying that way to that specific post by FrankRep?

 

[DeMintConservative]

I'd vote for an Obama/Clinton ticket before even thinking about voting for a ticket featuring Stein. Obama can't run. Clinton/Cuomo or Cuomo/Clinton or whatever Dem ticket.

 

[angelatc]

No.

 

[angelatc]

It would be an admitted COMPROMISE for STRATEGIC reasons only. JUST to get a third party in the picture in a huge way. I think both Stein and Johnson could openly admit this, and openly speak the truth about their true beliefs, and the fact that it is nothing but a COMPROMISE to begin the process of killing the DemGOP.

The problem is that socialists kill people who stand in the way of their power. While there are many problems with the proposed ticket, that's the biggest one. Stein's party would never be happy with a President Johnson administration, and so...

 

[Keith and stuff]

I'd vote for an Obama/Clinton ticket before even thinking about voting for a ticket featuring Stein. Obama can't run. Clinton/Cuomo or Cuomo/Clinton or whatever Dem ticket.

You go boy!

 

[acptulsa]

You go boy!

You'll note I got it carved in stone before he had a chance to edit it.

You did too. +rep for that.

 

[tttppp]

Stein just needs to go away and stop stealing minimal support from real candidates like Johnson or Paul.

 

[Athena]

I get it. It's a no-go.
Yáll won't compromise on economics, period.
You'd rather have ORomabama than an ideological compromise on economics.