ICE pulled me aside for "secondary screening" coming back into the USA!!

[Ender]

Well, is it "true" or isn't it (that someone has authority to declare a human to be property)? You state what you believe isn't important but what those in control believe. Why do you think they have "control"?? It's because people BELIEVE!! The true power is still with "we the People"!! If even 20% will STOP believing, those in "control" will LOSE control! They have NO authority to declare someone as property and YOU need to declare it so instead of trying to preach to others that they have something they do not. Indeed YOU are part of the problem. YOU are believing they have "authority" even though God (your Creator) tells you otherwise.

Time to wake up now...

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[ChristianAnarchist]

You're both right.

No one has the authority to claim someone else as property; we are all children of God.

That said, the State claims you as property before you are even born. The marriage license is a contract between 3 entities: you, your SO, and the State. You are legally bound to the State when your parents are married, grandparents, great grandparents etc.

Legally does NOT mean lawfully, but that is an issue not understood by most, in today's world.

We are literally living in The Matrix.

I will quote a very wise woman named Somni 451 - "Truth is singular - it's "versions" are mis-truths"...

We are not "both right". Either someone has authority to declare a human to be property or they do not. If they do not then if they claim they do they are involved in fraud.

Which is it? Property owner or fraudster?

 

[Ender]

I will quote a very wise woman named Somni 451 - "Truth is singular - it's "versions" are mis-truths"...

We are not "both right". Either someone has authority to declare a human to be property or they do not. If they do not then if they claim they do they are involved in fraud.

Which is it? Property owner or fraudster?

It's

THE MATRIX

 

[Anti Federalist]

Sadly we all, as usual, end up arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

There's a way to shut this down, tomorrow.

If we all, myself included, had the guts.

 

[devil21]

Well, is it "true" or isn't it (that someone has authority to declare a human to be property)? You state what you believe isn't important but what those in control believe. Why do you think they have "control"?? It's because people BELIEVE!! The true power is still with "we the People"!! If even 20% will STOP believing, those in "control" will LOSE control! They have NO authority to declare someone as property and YOU need to declare it so instead of trying to preach to others that they have something they do not. Indeed YOU are part of the problem. YOU are believing they have "authority" even though God (your Creator) tells you otherwise.

Time to wake up now...

I'm wide awake. Why do you think I'm sharing this information? I've spent a lot of time figuring out how the matrix works. Again, what I believe doesn't matter. Learn the system and share the information, like I have done in this thread for you. You can't expect people to want to free themselves when they don't even realize that they are captured.

 

[Ender]

I'm wide awake. Why do you think I'm sharing this information? I've spent a lot of time figuring out how the matrix works. Again, what I believe doesn't matter. Learn the system and share the information, like I have done in this thread for you. You can't expect people to want to free themselves when they don't even realize that they are captured.

Exactly my point.

 

[phill4paul]

Combine TSA with Health and Human Services and just think of the savings!

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

I'm wide awake. Why do you think I'm sharing this information? I've spent a lot of time figuring out how the matrix works. Again, what I believe doesn't matter. Learn the system and share the information, like I have done in this thread for you. You can't expect people to want to free themselves when they don't even realize that they are captured.

The only problem is you are sharing false information... You cannot just declare someone to be "property"!!! You have not shown authority to do so because there IS no authority...

Are you trying to say that the "authority" is because we live in a matrix?? Even in the movie the premise was that the goons (machine) HAD NO AUTHORITY to enslave everyone... What they were doing was in violation of rights. Not even the Matrix authors had AUTHORITY to declare everyone property. They used force to imprison everyone (that's not the same).

 

[qh4dotcom]

Here's my suggestion to you:

Next time you come back to the US from a foreign country and need to make a flight connection at the port of entry....try to fly through the Miami airport.

Very often at MIA you can just grab your bags and head out without having to talk with a Customs agent nor give him the required declaration. Very often the only person you need to talk to is the immigration officer.

 

[devil21]

The only problem is you are sharing false information... You cannot just declare someone to be "property"!!! You have not shown authority to do so because there IS no authority...

Are you trying to say that the "authority" is because we live in a matrix?? Even in the movie the premise was that the goons (machine) HAD NO AUTHORITY to enslave everyone... What they were doing was in violation of rights. Not even the Matrix authors had AUTHORITY to declare everyone property. They used force to imprison everyone (that's not the same).

I'm not sure why you're blaming me for the way the system works. I know this information can be jarring at first but you're getting mad at the wrong person. I'm just telling you how it is. Whether you believe the info to be true is up to you but I can assure you that it is well based in history, facts and research. Best of luck to you, ChristianAnarchist.

 

[devil21]

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/secretoath.htm

This is a recent Chinese think tank white paper regarding birth registrations. Read it with a discerning eye:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2990197/

Birth registration (BR), a permanent and official record of a child’s existence, is the process by which a child’s birth is recorded by a particular government department. According to the 1989 United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (CRC), a child should be registered immediately after its birth.

Among the international community, protection of human rights, especially the rights of vulnerable groups, including children, has attracted increased attention. Children are an especially vulnerable group who lack the awareness and ability to protect themselves, and whose rights are often violated by adults and society as a whole. Protection of children’s rights has become the most serious problem among the world’s vulnerable groups, and assurance of their protection can help in the sustainable development of most of the world’s population (Jiang et al., 2004; Li and Zhu, 2005).

BR [birth registration] is a basic right of each child and a fundamental step towards acquiring citizenship and nationality, as well as realizing other human rights. Registering a child is not only the duty of the child’s guardian, but also the public responsibility of the government (Liu, 2004). A child without BR cannot prove his or her legal existence before the law; consequently, his or her survival, protection, participation, and development in society will be negatively affected

It's for the children?

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/secretoath.htm

This is a recent Chinese think tank white paper regarding birth registrations. Read it with a discerning eye:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2990197/



It's for the children?

You can post "sources" saying that people can be declared "property" all you want, it doesn't make it so. God says we are his, and no one has greater rights than another therefore NO ONE can declare someone to be property. Not me, not you, not the Vatican, and not the UCC!!

The whole idea goes against a belief in God as our Creator and rights being granted by Him. If you want to believe these crazy individuals, I can't stop you but it's time you move on from this thread and post your beliefs elsewhere because so far you have NOT posted any true "AUTHORITY" for declaring people to be property and you never will because it does NOT exist...

 

[PierzStyx]

That is due to science, and most emphatically not due to doctors nor due to moving the birthing process to hospitals.

The single biggest factor was the discovery of the concept of infection, and how to prevent it.

Today, hospitals are the single best place to become infected.

The second-biggest was technically not science, but technology: the forceps. Great invention. Fascinating story (example of how to protect "intellectual property w/o patents and w/o the state).

Science (and technology, like the forceps) lowered the death rate, not doctors. Doctors are just technicians. Nothing more.

Sure, in the same way that nuclear engineers are just mechanical technicians.

Science and machinery are useless without those with the extensive knowledge and skill to use them correctly.

In other words, without doctors none of the rest of it matters. You've read a book about how to keep infections down? Fantastic. Still doesn't mean I'm going to trust you with much more than popping a pimple.

 

[Ender]

You can post "sources" saying that people can be declared "property" all you want, it doesn't make it so. God says we are his, and no one has greater rights than another therefore NO ONE can declare someone to be property. Not me, not you, not the Vatican, and not the UCC!!

The whole idea goes against a belief in God as our Creator and rights being granted by Him. If you want to believe these crazy individuals, I can't stop you but it's time you move on from this thread and post your beliefs elsewhere because so far you have NOT posted any true "AUTHORITY" for declaring people to be property and you never will because it does NOT exist...

I think you are misunderstanding what [MENTION=2727]devil21[/MENTION] is saying.

My POV is that he is not arguing that with you- what he is saying is that the STATE says it owns you and has legal force to take you down if you disagree. This does NOT overtake God's laws but it DOES make life a bit dangerous if you decide you have full authority over yourself and the State disagrees.

As thus my analogy to The Matrix.

We live in The Matrix right now and if one tries to fight it they become surrounded by agents who will quickly recharge the Matrix battery or do you in. If you decide to "pull the plug" you may find yourself in the Real World but still in turmoil.

 

[CPUd]

You can post "sources" saying that people can be declared "property" all you want, it doesn't make it so. God says we are his, and no one has greater rights than another therefore NO ONE can declare someone to be property. Not me, not you, not the Vatican, and not the UCC!!

The whole idea goes against a belief in God as our Creator and rights being granted by Him. If you want to believe these crazy individuals, I can't stop you but it's time you move on from this thread and post your beliefs elsewhere because so far you have NOT posted any true "AUTHORITY" for declaring people to be property and you never will because it does NOT exist...

You should probably just watch some of those Jordan Maxwell videos. A lot of his info and research came from the ET he was having a long term sexual relationship with, so you know he's legit.

 

[Anti Federalist]

You're both right.

No one has the authority to claim someone else as property; we are all children of God.

That said, the State claims you as property before you are even born. The marriage license is a contract between 3 entities: you, your SO, and the State. You are legally bound to the State when your parents are married, grandparents, great grandparents etc.

Legally does NOT mean lawfully, but that is an issue not understood by most, in today's world.

We are literally living in The Matrix.

This, exactly.

You own nothing in this system, not even your own body.

We all can assert ourselves "free men" all day long...and it becomes kind of pointless when the state declares it has the right to grope your genitalia whenever it feels like it.

 

[devil21]

I think you are misunderstanding what [MENTION=2727]devil21[/MENTION] is saying.

My POV is that he is not arguing that with you- what he is saying is that the STATE says it owns you and has legal force to take you down if you disagree. This does NOT overtake God's laws but it DOES make life a bit dangerous if you decide you have full authority over yourself and the State disagrees.

As thus my analogy to The Matrix.

We live in The Matrix right now and if one tries to fight it they become surrounded by agents who will quickly recharge the Matrix battery or do you in. If you decide to "pull the plug" you may find yourself in the Real World but still in turmoil.

Thank you. I am only sharing information. Do what you will with it.

If you read the Chinese link above, it's clear that this transcends beyond any particular government/state. It's global and is the real aim of globalists.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Sure, in the same way that nuclear engineers are just mechanical technicians.

Science and machinery are useless without those with the extensive knowledge and skill to use them correctly.

In many (most!) cases their "knowledge" is not that extensive. And certainly not deep. About an inch deep. Believe me. To build a nuclear power plant? Smarts required. To operate a plant? Homer Simpson.

In other words, without doctors none of the rest of it matters. You've read a book about how to keep infections down? Fantastic. Still doesn't mean I'm going to trust you with much more than popping a pimple.

About 90% of the time, that's all that's required! Just don't infect the mom, by {fanfare} washing your hands! And don't trust me, trust yourself. That's the whole point! Trust yourself to find the sink and operate the hot water lever and soap dispenser correctly.

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

I think you are misunderstanding what @devil21 is saying.

My POV is that he is not arguing that with you- what he is saying is that the STATE says it owns you and has legal force to take you down if you disagree. This does NOT overtake God's laws but it DOES make life a bit dangerous if you decide you have full authority over yourself and the State disagrees.

As thus my analogy to The Matrix.

We live in The Matrix right now and if one tries to fight it they become surrounded by agents who will quickly recharge the Matrix battery or do you in. If you decide to "pull the plug" you may find yourself in the Real World but still in turmoil.

I am very aware of what the positions of the "sovereign man" argument is as I was once also fooled by that nonsense which is why I feel very obligated to straighten out people who promote it (especially when they try to derail my thread with it).

We are not simply talking about a criminal organization (the goonerment) declaring that they will hurt you if you don't agree to give them money (it's not in dispute that the goons DO this). What IS in dispute is that somehow there are magic words that you can say using the magic code in the UCC which will somehow convince these same criminal goons that you are somehow "free" from their criminal violence...

You cannot free yourself from goon violence by "understanding" the UCC and saving yourself from goon violence by filing some paperwork. I've seen many good men get put in prison after they said the magic words and filed the magic paperwork (Oh, but of course these promoters will say the said the "wrong" magic words and filed the "wrong" paperwork)...

It's a very dangerous and deceitful fraud to think that UCC binds you and UCC will free you. UCC is BouwlSheit!!! God is your creator and he gave "ownership" to each man to do with as he wants (freewill). Violent men (goons) use their violent association (goonerment) to VIOLATE the rights of men and then LIE about having some fake "authority" to do so. UCC is nothing but fiction written my men to fool other men. If you study it to make you "free" you are studying the WRONG book...

 

[devil21]

Believe what you will ChristianAnarchist but I assure you that exercising the correct procedure and using the right words does indeed work. I won't bother telling the story of how I know it since you have not even tried to understand the information that I've presented so far. Hopefully the other 1000+ page viewers on this thread since we started conversing has found more open-minded readers.

Btw, the book you are referring to (bible) is the handbook to navigating the system. It is the key to the real freedom that you think you have but actually do not. No one will tell you that, however. The UCC derives from the bible. They are interconnected. Transcend the UCC with the bible as your guide!

I am done for real this time. Best of luck on your next border crossing. Watch out for your cornhole.