ICE pulled me aside for "secondary screening" coming back into the USA!!

I did sign those things. There was nothing on them about being put in bondage to a legal fiction or giving up my rights that God granted me (can't be done). I would think that part of your belief is how "binding" these invisible contracts are but then how can they be binding if they were not fully disclosed? If they are not disclosed are they not then null and void?? If I was a minor when "signing" is the contract not void since I was not of age yet? Any understanding of contract law proves that such a contract would be null and void...

Just read this:
http://www.stopthecrime.net/docs/THE-GREAT-AMERICAN-ADVENTURE.pdf

No sense in reinventing the wheel. You can doubt the contents all you like but it has been confirmed to me by cops, attorneys and personal experience in courtrooms. You are approaching it as if we live under common law. We don't. The whole system is commercial law, the UCC.

Btw, the legal fiction was right there in front of you when you signed them. The all caps name. Just because you didn't know what it implied doesn't mean it wasn't disclosed. I'm not trying to be a dick here or talk down to you. We've pretty much all fallen for the trick at some point.
 
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How does one travel in and out of the country without a passport etc?

They don't. It's just internet tough guy talk from a guy who thinks every single thing is an inside job pulled off by crisis actors. Not only is every story fake, but he also has fake theories about how you can totally get away with things.
 
They don't. It's just internet tough guy talk from a guy who thinks every single thing is an inside job pulled off by crisis actors. Not only is every story fake, but he also has fake theories about how you can totally get away with things.

I guess he^^^ didn't read my reply, just shot immediately into attack the messenger mode. I wonder if he's taken oaths?

Any way, [MENTION=13075]ChristianAnarchist[/MENTION], oaths are contracts...Jesus said to take no oaths, yes? You never answered my original question. Are you of hispanic or middle eastern appearance?
 
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I guess he^^^ didn't read my reply, just shot immediately into attack the messenger mode. I wonder if he's taken oaths?

Any way, @ChristianAnarchist, oaths are contracts...Jesus said to take no oaths, yes? You never answered my original question. Are you of hispanic or middle eastern appearance?

Never taken an oath (other than boy scouts) and not hispanic or middle eastern appearance...

Still haven't stated how a contract can be valid without full disclosure or when signed by a minor (not to mention not notarized or witnessed)...
 
No reply to my answer to your question?

Haven't you ever wondered why there's gold fringe on the flag when a President holds a press conference alone but there's never gold fringe on the flag when a President holds a press conference with a foreign head of state?



Is that not your signature on the SS card and the passport application? Seems you signed yourself up for somethings. Whether you knew what you were signing up for is where the "ignorance of the law is not an excuse" adage comes from.

You realize that babies are issued SS cards in the hospital? Parents can have their newborn taken away for not cooperating.
 
You realize that babies are issued SS cards in the hospital?

Sure. Everyone fills out the paperwork because 'that's what you do' but they never ask why. Uninformed hospital drones instructing uninformed new parents...

Parents can have their newborn taken away for not cooperating.

You know this personally or did someone tell you that? I guess fear of the CPS threat works to get people to comply. People need to stop being cowering wimps. That's what they thrive on.
 
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Mexican grandma who has been in the US since 1978 and was working on her citizenship was just "captured" by ICE in a Walmart parking lot here, grabbed from her family (all citizens), thrown into jail, and then taken to Mexico, and left with no money, cell phone, anything- and doesn't know a soul in Mexico.

She was never on welfare, worked like a dog all of her life, the gov was well aware of where she was and lived.

I feel so much safer now.

Construction businesses in Texas are having problems keeping up with business because their workers are being deported. Farm business in Alabama are suffering for the same reason.

Not only are we "safer" now, we are poorer too.
 
I guess he^^^ didn't read my reply, just shot immediately into attack the messenger mode. I wonder if he's taken oaths?

Any way, [MENTION=13075]ChristianAnarchist[/MENTION], oaths are contracts...Jesus said to take no oaths, yes? You never answered my original question. Are you of hispanic or middle eastern appearance?

You've never read the Bible have you? Because Jesus said nothing about not making oaths or contracts but about not swearing by Heaven or Earth.

Matthew 5:

33 Again, you have heard that it was said to the ancients, ‘Do not break your oath, but fulfill your vows to the Lord.’

34 But I tell you not to swear at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne;(35) or by the earth, for it is His footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King.

36 Nor should you swear by your head, for you cannot make a single hair white or black.

37 Simply let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ Anything more comes from the evil one.

As for his skin color, should it matter? A white guy with a nice tan looks brown. Does that justify this? If he were Muslim or Hispanic would it justify it? No and no again. Because the system is racist is not a justification for the system to be racist.
 
Not really. If you refuse to give CPS your Social Security info they can take your kid. I don't think it is a stretch of the imagination to go from that to what Ender is saying.

I also ask if you know this personally or is it just something you heard? The problem with that, legally at least, is that CPS authority is derived from the issuance of the birth certificate by the state Secretary of State, which turns the baby into property/slave of the state. Without those documents CPS has no legal authority to seize anything.

Actually, it comes from an ancient Classical natural law idea that boils down to something like the following:

To claim ignorance of the Law, which all men by nature must and do know is law, can never be a valid defense or justification for wrong-doing.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-excuse-quot&p=6255994&viewfull=1#post6255994

Thanks. I didn't mean that literally as the origin though, more an example of what it means.
 
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You've never read the Bible have you? Because Jesus said nothing about not making oaths or contracts but about not swearing by Heaven or Earth.



As for his skin color, should it matter? A white guy with a nice tan looks brown. Does that justify this? If he were Muslim or Hispanic would it justify it? No and no again. Because the system is racist is not a justification for the system to be racist.

Agree 1000%
 
I also ask if you know this personally or is it just something you heard? The problem with that, legally at least, is that CPS authority is derived from the issuance of the birth certificate by the state Secretary of State, which turns the baby into property/slave of the state. Without those documents CPS has no legal authority to seize anything.

And I answered this on a thread above.

 
I also ask if you know this personally or is it just something you heard? The problem with that, legally at least, is that CPS authority is derived from the issuance of the birth certificate by the state Secretary of State, which turns the baby into property/slave of the state. Without those documents CPS has no legal authority to seize anything.

I suppose you'll have to take my word about it, but I've talked to lawyers about where they've seen this happen.

As for everything else you said, go ahead and pretend that it matter to those in power. Because I don't think it does.
 
Actually, it comes from an ancient Classical natural law idea that boils down to something like the following:

To claim ignorance of the Law, which all men by nature must and do know is law, can never be a valid defense or justification for wrong-doing.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-excuse-quot&p=6255994&viewfull=1#post6255994

But the Law there is Natural Law, the state of nature as outlined by men like Locke, which is a condition of perfect freedom and equality before men enter into a political body, i.e. anarchy. It is not the laws of the state.
 
Not really. If you refuse to give CPS your Social Security info they can take your kid. I don't think it is a stretch of the imagination to go from that to what Ender is saying.


Oh, I'm totally with you. It's terrible! I would not want to underplay the terribleness of these despicable people and their evil deeds. And the despicable citizens who help them, like niKKKers.

At the same time, I would not want parents or expectant parents to have an unrealistic view of the reality and thus go along with things because they believe they have to.

They do not.

You don't have to be afraid of consequences or conflict or hassles. There are none. Just say "no, thank you." There will be no issue.

Infants do not typically receive SS cards before leaving the hospital, I don't think. They are part of the birth certificate package, which one applies for and which will come in the mail, later (sometimes much later).

There are no SS representatives in hospitals.

One can definitely opt out of getting an SS card, and no one will care. You will have a much, much, infinitely much harder time opting out or slightly modifying or having any say whatsoever in any medical procedure going on. Because that's what the doctors and nurses and admin there care about; that's what they do. They really don't care about SS cards. Why should they? So it makes sense.

Pierz mentions the CPS. Yeah, if CPS is there at the hospital with you for some reason, you are already in a bad situation, brother. You could be in a world of hurt in any number of ways. Tread carefully.

But the best option of all is to stay out of the hospital! Pregnancy is not a medical condition! It's a natural state of being. Why would you want to have a baby on enemy territory? Leaving you at a massive disadvantage while in a very vulnerable state? Bad tactics. You don't need these jokers and their twisted, insane system. Opt out.

Opt out of getting an SS card.

Opt out of going to the hospital.

Just opt out.
 
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