ICE pulled me aside for "secondary screening" coming back into the USA!!

[69360]

Legally they do have the right to detain you and search you and your bags or vehicle upon entry to the country, it's been that way for a long time this wasn't something new post 9/11. However you are not legally required to answer any questions. You are well within your rights to inform them you wish to remain silent. Of course this will cause you major delays and if you have something prohibited hidden they will probably find it anyway. I have no idea about the filming.

In your case if you think you can't control your comments, it's probably best to remain silent and let them do what they want then go on your way.

 

[Iowa]

For starters.


Q.If I am selected for a longer interview when I am coming into the United States, what can I do?

A.If you are a U.S. citizen and the officers’ questions become intrusive, you have the right to talk to a lawyer before answering any questions. You should be aware that refusing to cooperate with officers may result in delay and/or further inspection. If you are a lawful permanent resident, your right to talk to a lawyer depends on the circumstances. If the officers’ questions become intrusive, you may ask to speak to a lawyer but, in some situations, officers have the authority to refuse to allow you to speak to a lawyer before you answer their questions. If you are a non-citizen visa holder selected for further questioning, you may ask to talk to a lawyer but you generally do not have the right to consult a lawyer before answering the officers’ questions. Importantly, for anyone attempting to enter the United States, if a customs officer or border agent informs you that you are under arrest, or if it becomes clear that he or she suspects you have committed a crime, you have the right to talk to a lawyer before answering any questions.

https://www.aclu.org/know-your-righ...enforcement-airports-and-other-ports-entry-us

 

[The Rebel Poet]

Mandatory body cavity groping is the price we pay to live in a civilized society.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

I was detained for almost 3 hours a few yrs back while driving into Canada while they searched every inch of my "packed for camping" SUV and made calls to check on my identity and what not. I didn't feel the need to scream racism, nationalism, sexism, or any ism at all. I think they were looking for drugs...which was funny cause I hardly look like I would be a drug dealer.

They expect Americans to be armed to the teeth. If you did not have a cache of weapons to declare, then they look for the hidden ones.

 

[brushfire]

I can only imagine how safe you must feel.

 

[jllundqu]

Jeez... which LPOE did you cross so that I know to avoid it!

Noose is tightening and the water is getting hotter in this frog-pot, friends.

 

[Ender]

Jeez... which LPOE did you cross so that I know to avoid it!

Noose is tightening and the water is getting hotter in this frog-pot, friends.

Mexican grandma who has been in the US since 1978 and was working on her citizenship was just "captured" by ICE in a Walmart parking lot here, grabbed from her family (all citizens), thrown into jail, and then taken to Mexico, and left with no money, cell phone, anything- and doesn't know a soul in Mexico.

She was never on welfare, worked like a dog all of her life, the gov was well aware of where she was and lived.

I feel so much safer now.

 

[phill4paul]

I don't fly because I know I would go to jail or die in their trying.

 

[Carlybee]

My Canadian husband is going to visit his parents next month. I told him he better have his stuff in order or he could get deported to Scandinavia. He's very blonde.

 

[oyarde]

They expect Americans to be armed to the teeth. If you did not have a cache of weapons to declare, then they look for the hidden ones.

I used to just break down a rifle and shotgun in a case and after they ooh and ahh over that and I tell them I am going hunting they let me through without looking at all the other stuff . Misdirection

 

[devil21]

OP, are you of hispanic or middle eastern appearance?

Unfortunately, since you are a "14th Amendment citizen" (I presume) you are subject to pretty much whatever bullshit they want to put you through at the border. You did agree to it by registering yourself as an asset of the corporate government.

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

OP, are you of hispanic or middle eastern appearance?

Unfortunately, since you are a "14th Amendment citizen" (I presume) you are subject to pretty much whatever bull$#@! they want to put you through at the border. You did agree to it by registering yourself as an asset of the corporate government.

Please, not the "sovereign citizen" stuff. I can shoot that down in a second simply by pointing out that the "goonerment" has no authority (I could simply put a period there and still be correct) to make a one-sided "contract" that binds a flesh and blood man. You cannot be party to a contract that you have not signed, been fully informed of the contents, and that you are mentally able to comprehend...

 

[devil21]

Please, not the "sovereign citizen" stuff. I can shoot that down in a second simply by pointing out that the "goonerment" has no authority (I could simply put a period there and still be correct) to make a one-sided "contract" that binds a flesh and blood man. You cannot be party to a contract that you have not signed, been fully informed of the contents, and that you are mentally able to comprehend...

nm....pearls before swine. Be sure to let us know how it goes next time you present the border agents with a government owned passport that you applied for with a government owned birth certificate and a government owned social security number.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Anyway, if any of you have references to laws and cites I can use in my prepared (border crossing statement) I'm all ears...

You are not technically in the US and under the protection of US laws until you are on the other side of ICE. If they really wanted to push it and be jerks, I think they could refuse you entry for any reason (or no reason) and even legally detain you indefinitely (again, with no limitation or need for reason).

Now, that will almost surely never happen, because these guys are humans and you clearly are not a Muslim terrorist coming in to blow up the country; you are a relatively harmless codgerly life-long American citizen. So you would have to be a lot more confrontational and also unlucky to get yourself in real trouble. Probably. But in light of your complete lack of rights while in not-yet-in-the-USA limbo-land, I would tread carefully.

 

[The Rebel Poet]

nm....pearls before swine. Be sure to let us know how it goes next time you present the border agents with a government owned passport that you applied for with a government owned birth certificate and a government owned social security number.

How does one travel in and out of the country without a passport etc?

 

[devil21]

How does one travel in and out of the country without a passport etc?

That's the wrong question. The question should be how does one obtain a passport, since other countries require one for entry. The difference is that not all other countries use the corporate legal name convention that you see across all government owned documents. Cease being an employee/asset of the federal government by your own consent. Only employees (aka assets) of the federal corporate government are required to present government owned documents to obtain a passport. There are other ways to verify a given name (instead of the legal name) and other information without involving such things. Sworn affidavits is one example. Think outside the box, brother. That's not to say it is an easy process but it is possible. The easiest methods are always the most freedom stealing

Most people are 14th Amendment citizens and therefore implicitly agree to whatever crap agents of the corporate government want to do. This country is still under martial law (has been since Civil War era) so there's essentially no rights to be exercised. Think about this in the context of why Dr. Paul and other libertarians advocate open borders...

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

nm....pearls before swine. Be sure to let us know how it goes next time you present the border agents with a government owned passport that you applied for with a government owned birth certificate and a government owned social security number.

Well, you can start be educating me on how an entity (any entity doesn't have to be our goonerment) can sign me up for something without my consent.

I'll be waiting for your response...
(oink oink...)

 

[The Rebel Poet]

Well, you can start be educating me on how an entity (any entity doesn't have to be our goonerment) can sign me up for something without my consent.

I'll be waiting for your response...
(oink oink...)

I'm eagerly awaiting a discussion of the gold fringe on flags and a folk etymology about the Bar.

 

[devil21]

I'm eagerly awaiting a discussion of the gold fringe on flags and a folk etymology about the Bar.

No reply to my answer to your question?

Haven't you ever wondered why there's gold fringe on the flag when a President holds a press conference alone but there's never gold fringe on the flag when a President holds a press conference with a foreign head of state?

Well, you can start be educating me on how an entity (any entity doesn't have to be our goonerment) can sign me up for something without my consent.

I'll be waiting for your response...
(oink oink...)

Is that not your signature on the SS card and the passport application? Seems you signed yourself up for somethings. Whether you knew what you were signing up for is where the "ignorance of the law is not an excuse" adage comes from.

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

Is that not your signature on the SS card and the passport application? Seems you signed yourself up for somethings. Whether you knew what you were signing up for is where the "ignorance of the law is not an excuse" adage comes from.

I did sign those things. There was nothing on them about being put in bondage to a legal fiction or giving up my rights that God granted me (can't be done). I would think that part of your belief is how "binding" these invisible contracts are but then how can they be binding if they were not fully disclosed? If they are not disclosed are they not then null and void?? If I was a minor when "signing" is the contract not void since I was not of age yet? Any understanding of contract law proves that such a contract would be null and void...