I want the truth.

[colin1]

This is how deep they have to dig to try to get anything negative on Paul. Some newsletter that he didn't write 18 years ago. Weak.

 

[Deborah K]

Nice job, alienate current supporters who are merely questioning a poor response from the campaign. You're now pushing away people and reducing numbers, WE NEED AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE CAN GET. How the hell do you want the man to win when you say people that are not blindly faithful to Paul should F OFF?

If this is all it takes to push them away then I doubt they were really on board to begin with.

I am not "blindly faithful" to Ron Paul. Nice retort though. I accept that he made an error with regard to allowing the wrong people to use his name. If you'd rather dismiss everything the man is about for one mistake - that's your prerogative.

 

[sasha_2008]

What am I doing there? Spying. Don't be so ignorant; just because I am aware of what goes on at that site doesn't mean I support that site. If I was a White Nationalist, why would I be upset about the newsletters? You are being stupid about this as you are being about the newsletter issue. You don't want to face reality, which is that Ron Paul's newsletters could have come straight from Stormfront: "the animals are coming!" "Zooville" "limp-wristed" ... is this the kind of candidate you admire and look up to? Ron Paul has got more explaining to do than what he has done.

Just like here you are spying. Run back to freeperville.

 

[AisA1787]

Can we all now please get back to working on getting Ron Paul elected?

+1

END THE WITCH HUNT. Ron Paul is not a racist. Get over it, get off the computer, and get back outside canvassing, putting up signs, wearing Ron Paul T-shirts, handing out Tax Free Tips slimjims when you go out to eat, and anything else you can do to get RP's name and ideas in the public eye. We only have one chance to get Ron Paul elected, let's do our best to not screw it up.

There won't be make-up elections next year if we can't get it right this time.

 

[Quick]

Nice job, alienate current supporters who are merely questioning a poor response from the campaign. You're now pushing away people and reducing numbers, WE NEED AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE CAN GET. How the hell do you want the man to win when you say people that are not blindly faithful to Paul should F OFF?

Oh, shut your mouth rjo43084. Don't act like you're some innocent Paul supporter who is mad at the lack of response from the campaign. You're on the same level as yuiop. You both tire me.

I spent 2 hours last night on these forums responding you and others like you who simply ignore the facts and refuse to use any sort of logic. You just keep repeating the same thing over and over, trying to keep this weak (and now almost dead) issue alive on the forums. So, please stop playing the innocent card because you're as transparent as the others here who came out of the woodwork to smear Paul. If you really cared about Ron Paul and the Ron Paul Revolution, you'd be here helping us combat all the negativity instead of fueling it. In your eyes, Paul is guilty until proven innocent. I think you're supporting the wrong campaign because that is a Rudy platform.

The campaign isn't the problem, you are. And if you want to cry about how calling you out will reduce our numbers, then cry until your face is blue.

Do you have any evidence that her response is pushing away people and reducing numbers? It's just one of the countless claims with no factual evidence you've been making here the last few days. It makes me sick to my stomach that insecure people from other campaigns or with other motives all together come here just to smear Paul and to keep bad press issues alive. While you think you might be hurting the movement, all you do is show that the movement is working.

 

[sasha_2008]

Funny, I have asked about a dozen times for someone, anyone to please post the specific "inflammatory" quotes so we could discuss them and see if they were in context or false and do you know what? No one has done it, not once. It's a fait accompli.

Isn't that odd?

I would love to see that also.

 

[Quick]

I would love to see that also.

And you never will. All these people here bashing Paul know that if they were to address the actual facts and look at this logically, everything they've been posting over the last few days would have meant nothing.

The strategy they use is to continue to doubt and assume Paul is guilty while ignoring evidence proving otherwise and to blindly post on these threads. They've dug their heels in and aren't mature enough to admit when they are wrong.

 

[rjo43084]

Oh, shut your mouth rjo43084. Don't act like you're some innocent Paul supporter who is mad at the lack of response from the campaign. You're on the same level as yuiop. You both tire me.

I spent 2 hours last night on these forums responding you and others like you who simply ignore the facts and refuse to use any sort of logic. You just keep repeating the same thing over and over, trying to keep this weak (and now almost dead) issue alive on the forums. So, please stop playing the innocent card because you're as transparent as the others here who came out of the woodwork to smear Paul. If you really cared about Ron Paul and the Ron Paul Revolution, you'd be here helping us combat all the negativity instead of fueling it. In your eyes, Paul is guilty until proven innocent. I think you're supporting the wrong campaign because that is a Rudy platform.

The campaign isn't the problem, you are. And if you want to cry about how calling you out will reduce our numbers, then cry until your face is blue.

Do you have any evidence that her response is pushing away people and reducing numbers? It's just one of the countless claims with no factual evidence you've been making here the last few days. It makes me sick to my stomach that insecure people from other campaigns or with other motives all together come here just to smear Paul and to keep bad press issues alive. While you think you might be hurting the movement, all you do is show that the movement is working.

Ok buddy. Way to freak out at me. I'm just looking at the facts too, but I see a different picture. We have a disagreement on this issue, why does that all of the sudden make me a Rudy supporter? If anything, this tirade shows just how uncertain you yourself are of Paul. If you were so absolutely certain of Paul's innocence and surety of judgment, wouldn't you and others like you try to sway me back into the fold calmly and not bitch and moan because I don't support this guy 100%?

Honestly, all the responses I've seen to posters such as myself are ridiculous. I'm just asking questions that deserve answers. Why do you support Paul so blindly? He said himself it's not about him, it's about the message. I still support everything he says about foreign policy, domestic policy, restoring the constitution, and going toward sound money. I just don't support Ron Paul and his complete lack of judgment.

He's shown horrible judgment in that he hires people for his newsletter, and then doesn't monitor what they say, so they stab him in the back with the comments that they write. Then, when he does find out about it, he still protects these people by not naming them, and NEVER issues a retraction of the statements in the newsletter at a later date, which implies guilt and an alignment with those views to someone unfamiliar with Paul and his writings.

This, in addition to the shoddy management of his campaign by his current staffers, shows that Ron tends to hire people he likes, and sticks behind them even when they threaten to completely jeopardize everything he fights for. A lot of people are like this in the world, but this willingness to trust people so easily and this poor judgment with regard to these people is not what you want to see in a presidential candidate. Especially someone who wants to change the country so drastically.

 

[rockwell]

I can't wait until you guys go for Jefferson. That's going to be a long thread.

 

[colin1]

Ron Paul said in the press release:

I have never uttered such words and denounce such small-minded thoughts.

“In fact, I have always agreed with Martin Luther King, Jr. that we should only be concerned with the content of a person's character, not the color of their skin. As I stated on the floor of the U.S. House on April 20, 1999: ‘I rise in great respect for the courage and high ideals of Rosa Parks who stood steadfastly for the rights of individuals against unjust laws and oppressive governmental policies.’

So where exactly has he failed to "issue a retraction"? He said he didn't write it and doesn't agree with it and apologized for not more carefully monitoring what went out under his name.

 

[colin1]

Oh yeah and to the OP i have this to say,

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!

sorry if someone already did it, i just couldn't slog through the mindless drivel coming from the shills posing as concerned paul supporters.

and i'm sure you've all noticed how Obama is being grilled on his cocaine usage, as reported in his biography, because, you know, that doesn't show poor judgement. Well not nearly as poor as this newsletter issue anyway <sarcasm>

 

[Landslide]

Oh yeah and to the OP i have this to say,

sorry if someone already did it, i just couldn't slog through the mindless drivel coming from the shills posing as concerned paul supporters.

Sorry, but being concerned about who you support and what that means to the larger movement towards self government is entirely legitimate. The man isn't a god for christ sakes, and some of us you call 'shills' have years of time and money invested in real libertarian politics. We just have enough of a brain to realize that liberty is bigger than a single congressman from Texas. If all of that work is now to be tainted (even further) with allegations (accurate or not) of racism, we damn well have a right to be pissed at the campaign and Ron Paul himself.

Personally, I'm waiting to see what he has to say on CNN tonight.

 

[colin1]

You're right landslide, because the libertarian movement has accomplished so much over the past thirty years. You've had years in the movement and didn't know about this story? And I'm not some johnny come lately either, I was a student of Don Ernsberger and volunteered for Ron's campaign in 88 when I was in High School and have done my part financially for many liberty related causes. So if you want to have a heart attack over a discredited, decades old story, please, be my guest.

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Don't be a fool. McCain "Hates gooks and always will." Huckabee said all AIDS patients should be quarantined and homosexuality is akin to pedophilia and necrophilia. Obama's church is racist and pledges an allegiance to Africa above all else. He has many quotes saying things in his books like "He was a little too white."

I was thinking about this earlier. All of these other Republican candidates are pretty much taking the moral position that it's just fine to kill mulititudes innocents around the world as long as it's "in our national interests."

Most of them don't have a problem with torture, secret prisons, and no trials.

Paul is the only one making a moral argument about those things being wrong, and truly meaning it.

If his only downside here are questionable newsletters (a few that are pretty bad) that he didn't write and likely didn't know about, he's still on a moral level that they can't touch.

Seriously. They're all fine with everything that's happening, and we're all here debating the origin of these newsletters that are inconsistent with everything else Paul has ever done.

 

[Landslide]

You're right landslide, because the libertarian movement has accomplished so much over the past thirty years. You've had years in the movement and didn't know about this story? And I'm not some johnny come lately either, I was a student of Don Ernsberger and volunteered for Ron's campaign in 88 when I was in High School and have done my part financially for many liberty related causes. So if you want to have a heart attack over a discredited, decades old story, please, be my guest.

Not saying libertarians have accomplished a lot over the years (and I'm not specifically talking about the LP here - libertarianism is far bigger than a nutjob third party and Ron Paul). I remember hearing about the newsletters before, but honestly, I didn't put a lot of effort into finding out more. As I said - Ron Paul isn't the entire "movement." I'm also not having a heart attack, and I'll still vote for him. It's just that some honesty would be nice. He knows at the very least who edited them, and I'm not saying he needs to throw them under the bus - but he shouldn't say he was unaware either, that's insulting.

 

[JaylieWoW]

Because this thread has become rather long I haven't read through each and every response to the OP so I don't know if this answer has been given or not. I started following this thread on and off during the day but gave up because I had other things to attend to (like handwriting letters to people in Michigan to voice my support for Ron Paul).

I have a very simple response to your demand for truth and I'm sorry to say I have no way to answer your question. I've given this response considerable thought today and I hope you'll bear with me and take to heart the advice I'm about to give, free though it may be.

First and foremost, I strongly believe that truth is sometimes like beauty, only visible to the eyes of the beholder. These newsletters coming up at this point and time definitely fit into this allegorical category.

You've asked your fellow Ron Paul supporters for help in sorting this out. I can only assume you want someone here to give you the answer you seem not to know that maybe one of us may know. I am sorry to disappoint you, but not a single of the Ron Paul supporters who have responded to this thread can give you the answer you are seeking, myself included. You either trust what he says is true, that he did not write it, or you do not.

Something you might do, however, if you REALLY want to discover the truth that only YOU can discover, is go to his congressional web page and spend considerable time reading each and every speech and article he has ever written. Is it possible he has been hiding a strong racial streak from everything he personally has ever written over so many years?

The truth you are seeking is within your power, and only your power to discover. After all this campaign has endured from unfair press time to exclusion from debates, if you still cannot figure the truth out for yourself, you have no hope of ever finding it.

All I can say, is that I hope you are able to find the answer you are looking for and I hope you decide to keep supporting Ron Paul.


PS: (My favorite tag line....)

Lady Liberty is calling.... are you deaf yet?

 

[ThePieSwindler]

Because this thread has become rather long I haven't read through each and every response to the OP so I don't know if this answer has been given or not. I started following this thread on and off during the day but gave up because I had other things to attend to (like handwriting letters to people in Michigan to voice my support for Ron Paul).

I have a very simple response to your demand for truth and I'm sorry to say I have no way to answer your question. I've given this response considerable thought today and I hope you'll bear with me and take to heart the advice I'm about to give, free though it may be.

First and foremost, I strongly believe that truth is sometimes like beauty, only visible to the eyes of the beholder. These newsletters coming up at this point and time definitely fit into this allegorical category.

You've asked your fellow Ron Paul supporters for help in sorting this out. I can only assume you want someone here to give you the answer you seem not to know that maybe one of us may know. I am sorry to disappoint you, but not a single of the Ron Paul supporters who have responded to this thread can give you the answer you are seeking, myself included. You either trust what he says is true, that he did not write it, or you do not.

Something you might do, however, if you REALLY want to discover the truth that only YOU can discover, is go to his congressional web page and spend considerable time reading each and every speech and article he has ever written. Is it possible he has been hiding a strong racial streak from everything he personally has ever written over so many years?

The truth you are seeking is within your power, and only your power to discover. After all this campaign has endured from unfair press time to exclusion from debates, if you still cannot figure the truth out for yourself, you have no hope of ever finding it.

All I can say, is that I hope you are able to find the answer you are looking for and I hope you decide to keep supporting Ron Paul.


PS: (My favorite tag line....)

Lady Liberty is calling.... are you deaf yet?

Cmon now at least read the first page or two...

 

[colin1]

Free pass? How many times has this thing been brought up in the past? Over and over again ad nausem. Nobody's worshipping Ron. Of course he's not perfect. He makes mistakes and I don't find myself in agreement with him on all the issues. But I believe he's an honorable and principled man. He could be enjoying retirement with his family right now. He's not in this for personal profit and power. He's here because he loves this county with every fiber of his being, probably like he loves his children. I may have been unduly harsh with some of my replies here, but I feel like people are questioning his integrity. If you feel betrayed or lied too, that's your perogative. But go do something constructive for your country. Find some other candidate to support. So Ron made a mistake 18 years ago. If I made you a list of my life mistakes it would be much longer. You want to talk about free passes? Where's the media about Obama's self admitted cocaine usage. Haven't seen Wolf Blitzer grilling Obama on that one, but we have to listen to this BS? It's ok though. I've decided to make something positive out of this and I invite everyone to join me. I will promise to register and convert one person for every person that walks away from the campaign over this. If everyone jumps in we will double those we have lost over this.

 

[eloquensanity]

I have been reading the speeches and articles of Ron Paul for about 8 years now. I have never heard of this racist stuff until now.

Here's some food for thought
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3z8nVaMkuw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTU4IKqMZdg

 

[Shavenyak]

And that's how it will be. Nobody said life was fair.

You're still a troll, go home.