I voted today - groan

Nice try... Close but no cigar.... It does not fall apart with that one.. and if you think so you are suffering from the false reality fallacy... The movement is NOT big enough YET to make the difference...

If we continue to educate and grow and STAY UNITED, which we seem to not be able to do, we might be big enough next time but NOT YET

If you want to unite, then come vote third party. McCain is so far behind that he doesn't stand a chance of winning - you're wasting your vote and splitting up the movement.

Anybody who could vote for McCain after the way he sneered at and mocked Ron Paul during the primary season is messed up, IMHO.
 
Nice try... Close but no cigar.... It does not fall apart with that one.. and if you think so you are suffering from the false reality fallacy... The movement is NOT big enough YET to make the difference...

If we continue to educate and grow and STAY UNITED, which we seem to not be able to do, we might be big enough next time but NOT YET

It's not big enough yet because 90% of the population buys the bullshit you are selling. If people like you would quit spreading the sickness, and people truly voted their conscience McCain and Obama would not even be on the radar.
 
I dis agree... That is a very narrow self defeating position. we need to keep as much liberty as possible..
while working on the problem.

A vote for McCain is in no way a vote for liberty. There is not one issue where McCain stands on the side of liberty. Do you think Ron Paul is wasting his vote when he is on the short end of a 434-1 vote? Should he vote with everyone else just because he's not going to win?
 
Whatcha talkin about? Ron paul can't ruin his reputation by voting yes can he? hehe..

I agree with everything end the fed says...I vote for end the fed. Tones
 
I dis agree... That is a very narrow self defeating position. we need to keep as much liberty as possible..
while working on the problem.

End the fed, you need to study history, and freedom. Tell Ghandi about self defeating. Fact of the matter is there are intergral standards that SOME choose to uphold, self defeating or otherwise. In MY business, somebody comes in and starts talking the kinda trash you are, and they're out the door. Self defeating, yes, do I care?? Absolutely not.
 
If McCain wins, we tell the GOP "Yes, your behavior is successful and will help you win elections."

Bingo. A vote for Baldwin IS A VOTE FOR BALDWIN.

EndtheFed, you may claim that voting for a third-party candidate is essentially a vote for Obama, but, see, it's not. I understand the basis of your assertion, but it's bullsh*t. The same bullsh*t one hears at their local GOP campaign office. Also, the same bullsh*t one hears at their local Dem campaign office, just with the name changed (i.e. "...if you vote for anyone other than Obama, you're voting for McCain...")


Shove it.
 
A vote for McCain is in no way a vote for liberty. There is not one issue where McCain stands on the side of liberty. Do you think Ron Paul is wasting his vote when he is on the short end of a 434-1 vote? Should he vote with everyone else just because he's not going to win?

That is why I voted for Baldwin. If I was convinced that McCain was truly better than Obama, I would maybe have held my nose and voted for him. I just can't see how he is any better. In many ways he is worse because he continues the same crap line of conservatism that was GW Bush. If McCain actually stood up for civil liberties and had half a brain and voted against the bailout, then perhaps I would vote different. Why does McCain still praise himself for Campaign Finance "reform"? It is hideous legislation!!!

You cannot remake a party that sees success in doing the same thing that has led to their marginalization.
 
MMM nice vote for Obama.... Thanks... :(
What difference does it make? McCain would be no better. Since both suck - we might as well use our votes for who we want instead of throwing them away to vote "against" someone.
 
Now, we see the separation of the sunshine patriots from the winter soldiers.

EDIT: I might add, that Obama's facebook fan-club has something like 2,318,000 supporters.

McCain's: 610,000

If that is in any way an indication of how much the youth-vote of this nation is sewn up, I'd say that voting for McCain is probably more of a throw-away vote than a vote for any of the 3rd parties.
 
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If you want to unite, then come vote third party. McCain is so far behind that he doesn't stand a chance of winning - you're wasting your vote and splitting up the movement.

Anybody who could vote for McCain after the way he sneered at and mocked Ron Paul during the primary season is messed up, IMHO.

+1
 
You done good, Bruiser.

Any problems noted with voting machines in Wood County? Here in Putnam, a lot of people have reported that the machines were changing their votes to McCain. Papers ran a story on it last week.

As for the idiotic argument that voting for McCain is any more likely to preserve our Liberty than voting for a third party candidate, all I need to remember is how one of McCain's goons took a flag bearing the word "Liberty" from us at the Republican National Convention and told us, "You can't have that here."
 
Now, we see the separation of the sunshine patriots from the winter soldiers.

EDIT: I might add, that Obama's facebook fan-club has something like 2,318,000 supporters.

McCain's: 610,000

If that is in any way an indication of how much the youth-vote of this nation is sewn up, I'd say that voting for McCain is probably more of a throw-away vote than a vote for any of the 3rd parties.

The youth vote typically fails to show up enmasse though, and I wonder if they'll be any different this time though.

I think the black people will show up like never before, to vote for racism.
 
Prophetic, insightful like seers, psychic, gifted. . .

Wow! I know I'm still pretty new here, but I am deeply impressed that many on the RPaulforums know the future! See above.

I appreciate your and my struggles to vote "right." Each comes down to his/her own core values.

I voted third party, but not for Baldwin who is not on the ballot in my state and would not be counted as a write-in. I would not have voted for him anyway after I heard his and R Nader's debate. Nader is indeed the brain, in this case, imo.

My conscience would not let me even consider Baldwin, regardless of Paul's endorsement. The reason is that Baldwin is all for freedom, but ignores many people in the nation when he constantly speaks of and to "evangelical Christians," in the same way McSame spoke of and to and for "veterans." I'm against neither in any way, and call myself "Christian," but not "a" Christian. I could not warp myself into the Baldwin camp because he chooses the freedoms he hopes to grant, and those he wants to curtail. He wants to be sure that every fertilized human egg becomes a baby. That leaves out Mom's conscience, values, ability to get an education possibly. . . . It also leaves to overburdened charities the care of many addicted infants and many HIV+ ones whose chances for adoption are greatly lessened because of these or other challenges.

If many black Americans vote for Obama, does that mean they are voting for racism? If I vote for the candidate who gives the best respect and shakes to the infirm elderly, am I voting for age-ism? :eek:

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Please read former President Jimmy Carter's Our Endangered Values: America's Moral Crisis.
 
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I wouldn't be so quick to accuse black Obama supporters as racists. Working the polls here in NC, with a large turnout of Obama supporters, I have found our darker skinned cousins to be the more open-minded of the two and willing to consider and vote on the issues.

As far as the shilling of the Obamanoids and McCainiacs, with their lame attempts at the guilt attack. You all might want to keep an eye out for this sign...

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:p
 
EndTheFed is a hopeless cause...he's not going to stop trolling for McCain...just be glad he's only got only one vote that is too insignificant to decide the outcome of this election...time to put him on the Ignore List like the rest of the Obama and McCain trolls
 
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