I tried to warn you guys.

[politicsNproverbs]

I heard them say on Cnn that Huckabee is calling his campaign a revolution now. He has stolen alot of Paul's positions too. He's even toned down his rhetoric on the war a bit.

Yes, and equally unnerving I heard Thursday night some talking-heads using the "CONSISTENCY" description for... can't remember if they were talking about Obama or Huck or Mitt or McCain, etc., but it irked me to no end they were saying how CONSISTENT the person was, because that, too, is straight from the Ron Paul campaign. NONE of those other guys are consistent, period.

So, yes, "Old Media" is "robbing Paul" to "bolster Peter" ie, they do practically a total media blackout of RP on all the major networks (ABC-CBS-NBC-FOX) and then steal his personality and platform descriptions and apply them to the OTHER candidates, and the masses are none the wiser.

It makes you want to scream...

 

[Bradley in DC]

Alright then. Hopefully the campaign will learn from this and start moving things in the right direction before it's too late.

They wouldn't know how. Sad but true.

 

[politicsNproverbs]

And that is mostly the fault of the RP official campaign staff. Period.
http://blog.nj.com/njv_paul_mulshine..._bad_news.html
There are lots of examples just as bad or worse. S.O.P.

That link didn't work, I wanted to go read it.

 

[openfire]

Yes, and equally unnerving I heard Thursday night some talking-heads using the "CONSISTENCY" description for... can't remember if they were talking about Obama or Huck or Mitt or McCain, etc., but it irked me to no end they were saying how CONSISTENT the person was, because that, too, is straight from the Ron Paul campaign. NONE of those other guys are consistent, period.

So, yes, "Old Media" is "robbing Paul" to "bolster Peter" ie, they do practically a total media blackout of RP on all the major networks (ABC-CBS-NBC-FOX) and then steal his personality and platform descriptions and apply them to the OTHER candidates, and the masses are none the wiser.

It makes you want to scream...

Doesn't it make you wonder who's really pulling the strings when all of the networks are exhibiting the same behaviour? It just doesn't seem right. Why are "they" screwing RP and more importantly, exactly who are "they"?

BTW, I'm from Canada but I've been following this closely as I desperately want RP to win.

 

[skeet]

Chickenhawk, I respectfully disagree with your opinion that the people possibly don't like the message. I, like many of you, have found that when the message is delivered properly most everyone embraces it. Michael (the ron paul rider) told me "It is like giving away gold" "If you try to sell it - they will think it is fake" I found this to be true.

People want this message, the media distorts it, so we must change that by getting it to them properly.
It was said that many at the caucuss still didn't even know who Ron Paul was - Unbelievable.

 

[politicsNproverbs]

I think it's probably too late to get rid of the revolution and wouldn't be fair to all the thousands of people that have made signs.

True, and I really don't expect it will "go away," but I don't like it anyway. In this "modern era," I don't think the word conjures up the idea of "peaceful change" in people's minds but conjures up more an idea of war-bloodshed-death-destruction.

Then again it could be my age group... It's a little too negative-sounding for me, but that's ok. Nothing to jump ship over. I'll just use the other signs that do say, "RP for Prez, Hope for America," etc.

 

[proximity]

Ron Paul did great. For him to get over 1% in Iowa is simply amazing.
If he gets over 10% national in this politica/medial environment, it'll be amazing.

If you want to see what you're up against, get in a room full of monkeys and try to get them to comprehend a Republic and liberty. Ain't gonna happen. Heck like only 10% of Iowa even bothered to vote. Pathetic showing by American voters.

America won't change until the pain of not doing so is worse then keeping things the same. This is the unfortunate reality. When this day comes you want Ron Paul's message out there, this is the single best thing this man has done for us all.

The best thing we can do is to continue to support him, to elect people to local and state positions what feel the same, and ourselves run for office... and if we win, not to sell out like the rest. Even if Ron Paul would win, there's little he could change if most of the system is working against him.

The message of liberty must live on, the only other option is tyranny.

- A proud Ron Paul supporter!!

 

[politicsNproverbs]

Doesn't it make you wonder who's really pulling the strings when all of the networks are exhibiting the same behaviour? It just doesn't seem right. Why are "they" screwing RP and more importantly, exactly who are "they"?

BTW, I'm from Canada but I've been following this closely as I desperately want RP to win.

Greetings Canada... Well, I already know who is pulling the strings... don't know if it's allowed on this forum to say who... but all media is owned by about SIX people now, so the strings are pulled at the top.

And yes, the networks display the same behavior and they know it... matter of fact, on NBC Nightly News Thurs. evening 1/3/08, Brian Williams and Tim Russert were chatting and Russert said, the "Lower Tier Candidates complain we do not give them enough air time," and he/the media replies, "We don't give you air time because you are not Top Tier," so Tim asks Brian something like, "So how resposible ARE WE for this situation? Do they have a point?"

In other words, it's a vicious circle the media refuses to do anything about, even tho Russert made implication that he was aware of their/media's role in keeping the "lower tier" candidates out of the mainstream media. But don't hold your breath that they will change their behavior.

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As for "who are they?" All I can suggest is start reading on the net: Research terms such as:

New World Order
North American Union (NAU)
Bilderbergers
Trilateral Commission (TLC)
Committe of 300
Council on Foreign Relations (CFR)
Illuminati
Freemasonry
Rothschilds
Rockefellers
The Federal Reserve
etc. etc. etc.

Yes, there is a "conspiracy" to keep the good guys down and the masses of people in the dark so the One World Government Plan can go forward with little trouble from the people... and media is one big arm of propaganda being used to that end...

Sad but true.

 

[speciallyblend]

F goes for the gop in iowa for being sheep lead to the slaughter.

 

[politicsNproverbs]

Is it not true that if you try to win Iowa and you finish outside of the leaders, you are pretty much out?

What can we learn and what can we change before it is too late?

Speaking of Brian Willians and Tim Russert above, they also discussed this very thing last night... They were saying, mostly Tim Russert was saying in answer to this same question which they posed between themselves, that it is really THE MEDIA WHO DECIDES if a candidate is "pretty much out" after Iowa DEPENDING on HOW THEY/the MEDIA plays it up!!! No kidding, they did actually 'fess up to that fact that IF they say a Person is OUT after Iowa, then that candidate is basically OUT because it's what the media says that people assume is truth, even if it isn't the truth necessarily...

In other words, a candidates does not "HAVE TO BE" OUT after Iowa, he could keep going, but if the Media plays it up in such a big way that the candidate is now a loser, then so be it...

 

[Young_Apprentice]

Look, if Ron Paul doesn't win it won't be because the grass roots or the campaign screwed up. It will be because his message of limited government is NOT POPULAR. I know that is really hard for some of you to understand but why do you think there are so few people like him in elected positions? Why do you think that he is the lone dissenting vote on so many pieces of legislation?

I am not trying to be negative here. I'm just really tired of people trying to find someone to blame for everything that goes wrong when the real problem is the message.

Why is Ron Paul's message unpopular? Well, it's a number of things. Many people are apathetic and fear change. Many people just don't agree with him for a number of reasons. When it comes right down to it the only people you can blame is the voters. As the saying goes, "I have seen the enemy and it is us".

Yeah, it's sad but I think RP's just not reactionary enough and doesn't have emotional appeal for most people to consider him.

 

[thuja]

They should have hired big and major movers and shakers involved in the republican party, or even those of the grassroots.

Instead, over half of his high-level staff is the same as it was from 1988.

I doubt they're going to let anyone in on their little clique, and it's almost too late at this point.

i certainly agree, and hope if something can be done, it;s not too late.
didn't you say they were unconfident? and i wonder if they are aware of how to handle large sums of money, other than to sit on it.

someone should convince them to hire a major ad agengy and other major help.

i agree about the great ads on you tube vs the sad crap being done by th main campaign.

this is not supposed to be a campaign for a local mayor but a campaign for the nation's highest office.

 

[politicsNproverbs]

DJ, I don't have the political expertise to say what we should done. But I do know that with our resources, our passion, our dedication, our grassroots solidity, we should have done a lot better than 5th. Or 10%. Or 10K votes.

I confess I was disappointed, too, but maybe I had my hopes too high, as some have said in this thread, which seems to be running about 50/50 that we did good in Iowa and the other half feels as you and I do. And not being an expert either, I don't know.

I can't fix the machine but I can see that something is broken. And we are fools to not acknowledge it.

I see nothing wrong with having this ONE thread on any negatives anyone feels, and using it for that purpose. Cleansing is a good thing, you know like Detox, lol.

 

[Ricochet]

The "Revolution" thing has always concerned me. I think it's great for getting younger people, but we have those now. We also have the anti war crossovers now.

To win we need the mainstay Republicans, as several wise posters have pointed out. If people get the impression Ron Paul is only for freedom loving anti-war anarchists, they will never even listen to the message.

Marketing is indeed key, and the campaign staff is indeed lacking. I've never gotten a straight answer, or even an indication from them about anything that was under dispute. They seem content to leave their hard working volunteers swirling in speculation all the time.

Reading these reports about the HQ's behavior only confirms what I've long suspected.

I forget who posted that selling is not the same as pandering, and selling is required to win a campaign, but I quite agree.

 

[politicsNproverbs]

We have raised almost $20 million this quarter and what do they do with it? They say they don't know how to spend the money...

I heard comments like this from Ron Paul after the two money bombs, but it may just have been "light talk" in all the excitement. However, I do get the sense that Dr. Paul is a frugal man and probably tends to "think things through" analytically and slowly. And nothing wrong with that in and of itself, if... as this next poster says...

iand i wonder if they are aware of how to handle large sums of money, other than to sit on it.

...as long as they don't just "sit on it" too long...

I did hear Dr. Paul say they would be using it to hire more help for Iowa (they were going to hire like 300 college kids to help out), and to hire more campaign staff workers, and to use it for travel expenses, etc.

All fine and good, and I guess that's where it starts, ie, you have to "get your own house in order" before you can go out and solicit the masses.

It would be nice to see an outline of their "game plan" as of the Here and Now... you know, like a "business plan," or something...

 

[Westminster1646]

I agree with the comment made earlier about the ads released by the campaign; especially the second NH ad! What the crap was that?! I sat there thinking, "Okay, either everyone in NH is a bunch of hokey New England farts who belong in a 1991 L.L. Bean commercial, OR we have a bunch of Sad Sack retards running this campaign!"

Having never been to NH, I initially went with my first thought. I should have gone with the other.

RON, this message is for you - your old research assistant, Gary North, can run a better campaign than these guys. Something has to change.

So, how about that grassroots advisory board? Is it too late, and how do we get this thing going?

 

[johngr]

If he continues the trend he started in Iowa of doing as well in the caucus/election as he did in the straw poll, he will win by a HUGE landslide.

 

[politicsNproverbs]

I say people need to KNOW that their liberties are being stripped away, and how it affects them, and not just terrorists. Until they know this, and understand the threat within, they will remain unmotivated. Nobody else is talking about the patriot act, military comissions act, etc, and how they will restore the constitution. If people fear the threat from within, than we can get this movement to become more mainstream.

Excellent point, which I share your opinion 100%, and have all along, even long before I heard of or jumped on the Ron Paul bandwagon. And it is the strategy I've taken for five years, to try to educate people in my small realm of the world re: the THREAT FROM WITHIN (get the focus OFF the bogey-man-terrorists and on the CRIMINALS within our own gov't.) Boy oh boy, it's what woke me up after 9/11, yet so many are too complacent or too busy to care, etc.

But then I don't get to talk about these things in TV commercials and/or on National TV, so yes, instead of just stating one-line-platform positions, re-focus on EDUCATING the public first on the really BIG issues, as you say:

I think we should focus on a few key issues, that the people need to be educated on, and then in time, after the holes in the constitution are patched up, and consensus is built, we can go for the rest.

One good thing is how Ron Paul mentions Habeas Corpus often... though he needs to make sure and always tell people what that means exactly, as I bet most people don't even know, rather than just mentioning the phrase itself.

 

[politicsNproverbs]

If he continues the trend he started in Iowa of doing as well in the caucus/election as he did in the straw poll, he will win by a HUGE landslide.

Hey John, is that how it works? Will it play out like that? If so, that would be great as I know the numbers are higher in other places.

 

[Meiun]

If you truly want this change to occur, then you need to take some personal responsibility/ownership of your views and get out there, unhesitant, and tell people that we have only one hope this time around!

"If it's to be, it's up to me."