I think it is becoming painfully obvious the blimp won't fly.

[tekkierich]

Toby Keith - A Little Less Talk And A Lot More Action

Why does everyone get them selves all riled up about these things? Get OUTSIDE. Knock on doors people!

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

I would also add that the PAC idea was unworkable. All donations to a PAC that focuses on a single candidate like Ron Paul goes against your total contributions for Ron Paul. In other words, if you donated the max amount to RonPaul2008 you could not donate at all to the blimp and vice versa. This limitiation ruined the initial PAC concept.

That the team recovered and came up with what looks to be a reasonable and probably legal alternative is entirely to their credit.

As to the point that people will get paid for this effort, please note that this is an important aspect of the plan. Making the effort "for profit" is an important legal point that stands against those who would try to stop this effort on a legal pretext based on campaign finance law.

That argument about the PAC is tired and has been debunked over and over and over again in these threads. YOU JUST ADD A BANNER WITH THE NAMES OF PEOPLE RUNNING FOR CONGRESS USING RON PAULS PLATFORM! - a small banner... legal condition met!

The other argument that that also answers is that it would take away donations from his campaign - not if you hype more than one candidate and even if it did, the original site specifically asked people to not donate unless they had maxed out contributions to the official campaign!

The "setting up a PAC is too hard" argument is pathetic (in a different post, different author - post 27 or 30, IIRC). There are at least 5 Ron Paul PACs that could have done it.

That said, it's a good idea to break new legal ground and get around the McCain-Feingold BS that was designed to prevent grassroots efforts from working.

What I'm not at all thrilled about is the 42% increase in budget - now down to 21% or $400,000 total and the incredibly bloated corporate structure - all these employees... especially for positions that could have been filled for free.

But the blimp comes first, before the company and the blimp co will launch on speculation if we get $200,000 by Friday, which it looks like we going to make so life is good!

Still think we would have been better off with a PAC for the first month and trying this for month 2+, but it's done and seems to be working.

We still don't have the original background info page back up yet. I still want to see that page.

-n

 

[John P Slevin]

ignorami

The original plan obviously worked. As a PAC donations were limited to 5k (outside of campaign donations) and under that premise almost 500k was pledged so I see no reason why that plan had to change.

No, the original plan proposed to do something which CANNOT be done under the law. Campaign finance is a real thing. Read something, learn about it. NO PAC could donate more than 5,000.00 to Ron Paul's campaign.

NO donor could give more than 2,300.00. The blimp project COULD NOT advertise the Ron Paul candidacy. These ALL are facts. Wake up. What Trevor and company are doing is providing a solution to these legal constraints. Get off your high horse, understand somthing before you speak and before you slam people who, quite frankly, are better quality than those who slam them.

 

[torchbearer]

The original plan obviously worked. As a PAC donations were limited to 5k (outside of campaign donations) and under that premise almost 500k was pledged so I see no reason why that plan had to change.

No, the original plan proposed to do something which CANNOT be done under the law. Campaign finance is a real thing. Read something, learn about it. NO PAC could donate more than 5,000.00 to Ron Paul's campaign.

NO donor could give more than 2,300.00. The blimp project COULD NOT advertise the Ron Paul candidacy. These ALL are facts. Wake up. What Trevor and company are doing is providing a solution to these legal constraints. Get off your high horse, understand somthing before you speak and before you slam people who, quite frankly, are better quality than those who slam them.

qft.

 

[slantedview]

The original plan obviously worked. As a PAC donations were limited to 5k (outside of campaign donations) and under that premise almost 500k was pledged so I see no reason why that plan had to change. .

I believe the limit was 2300 and that it INCLUDED money contributed to a candidate. No?

Anyways, many of the pledges, particularly the large ones, were probably spam. The argument for a PAC isn't perfect.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

The original plan obviously worked. As a PAC donations were limited to 5k (outside of campaign donations) and under that premise almost 500k was pledged so I see no reason why that plan had to change.

No, the original plan proposed to do something which CANNOT be done under the law. Campaign finance is a real thing. Read something, learn about it. NO PAC could donate more than 5,000.00 to Ron Paul's campaign.

NO donor could give more than 2,300.00. The blimp project COULD NOT advertise the Ron Paul candidacy. These ALL are facts. Wake up. What Trevor and company are doing is providing a solution to these legal constraints. Get off your high horse, understand somthing before you speak and before you slam people who, quite frankly, are better quality than those who slam them.

ahh - another post first, read second or never poster... you promote candidates running under the "Freedom Platform", which just happens to be Ron Paul's Platform, and since he's running for the highest office, he gets the lions share of ad space. We have 3 for sure, and I believe 4 candidates here in MD running for Congress under his platform. I know there are others in different states.

-n

 

[John P Slevin]

tangent4RonPaul stupidly wrote: "That argument about the PAC is tired and has been debunked over and over and over again in these threads. YOU JUST ADD A BANNER WITH THE NAMES OF PEOPLE RUNNING FOR CONGRESS USING RON PAULS PLATFORM! - a small banner... legal condition met!"

Idiotic as well as illegal. You have absolutely NO idea what you are talking about, so why do you post so much?

 

[dude58677]

Then we should get Burt Rutan to do it for us.

 

[LBT]

Many of the most successful promoters in the world had egomaniacal tendencies. Think Richard Branson or Steve Jobs.

Making things happen often involve mis-steps, but what leads to success is single minded determination. Trevor has ploughed forward many times despite harsh criticism. By doing so he has achieved a lot for this campaign. And as central decision maker under the spot light he has received a lot of criticism.

Fact is he stands up where others watch and wait, and he makes tough (if somewhat dubious) decisions and moves on to the next job.

We should just hope that Trevor continues to steam ahead despite all criticism. I suspect he will and that he will continue to surprise a lot of people as he did when he ploughed ahead with the Nov 5 campaign when the naysayers (I myself thought shooting for 10 mill was shooting yourself in the foot) complained about 10 mill being a stupid goal and that linking to the Vendetta movie and/or Guy Fawkes was a terrible idea.

Thank god he pushed ahead then and I think we'll be just as pleased if he keeps pushing ahead and we get to see thousands of Ron Paul supporters gathering proudly around that Blimp.

We ought to be more optimistic about what outcome is achievable and just get out there and promote donations to the blimp. Fear of the unknown holds most people back. It doesn't seem to slow Trevor down though. Maybe he's delusional and all he can see are the bright lights of success.......and maybe that is why he'll get there

 

[DanK]

Many of the most successful promoters in the world had egomaniacal tendencies. Think Richard Branson or Steve Jobs.

Making things happen often involve mis-steps, but what leads to success is single minded determination. Trevor has ploughed forward many times despite harsh criticism. By doing so he has achieved a lot for this campaign. And as central decision maker under the spot light he has received a lot of criticism.

Fact is he stands up where others watch and wait, and he makes tough (if somewhat dubious) decisions and moves on to the next job.

We should just hope that Trevor continues to steam ahead despite all criticism. I suspect he will and that he will continue to surprise a lot of people as he did when he ploughed ahead with the Nov 5 campaign when the naysayers (I myself thought shooting for 10 mill was shooting yourself in the foot) complained about 10 mill being a stupid goal and that linking to the Vendetta movie and/or Guy Fawkes was a terrible idea.

Thank god he pushed ahead then and I think we'll be just as pleased if he keeps pushing ahead and we get to see thousands of Ron Paul supporters gathering proudly around that Blimp.

We ought to be more optimistic about what outcome is achievable and just get out there and promote donations to the blimp. Fear of the unknown holds most people back. It doesn't seem to slow Trevor down though. Maybe he's delusional and all he can see are the bright lights of success.......and maybe that is why he'll get there

Hard to argue with that

 

[torchbearer]

here are the pictures of the actual blimp being pulled from the hanger:

From this article about the blimp: http://www.dailyadvance.com/search/content/news/stories/2007/12/03/1204ronpauljh.html

 

[LukeNM]

Close thread -- let's more on already!