I think I have become a Luddite libertarian....

1. Free yourself from the technological traps you are currently in. Stop using Facebook, for instance. Stop using GPS, use paper maps. Stop "googling" little facts and questions that come up and instead try to remember them, and if you cannot, be content with not knowing. Things like that.

We don't need brain implants that explicitly release dopamine: checking Facebook does that already, harnessing the dispensers that biology has already built in (much simpler and cheaper). We don't need super-smart computers to make us seem stupider in comparison -- using technological crutches is already making us literally stupider, on an absolute scale, not just relative. You don't have to worry about theoretical possible future oppressions if you're already caught in real traps in your real life, right here, right now. First things first.

2. Now that you are living free and independent from technological traps, continue reducing technology that you don't even think of as traps. Take technology out of your life to an extent. You say that the Amish have gotten a lot right, and that's true. But don't just say it; don't just gripe. Do something about it. It's not that hard to start going that direction. "Almost Amish." With your newfound independence and confidence, you're up to it. Be moderate, don't go nuts. It should be fun, not painful. Austerity is nice, calming, and empowering.

3. Get married to a traditional-minded woman. Have children. Have lots of children. These are long term problems you are thinking about and wanting to fight against. In order to have a chance, you need to hone your long term thinking and cultivate a long term attitude. "Gorilla Mindset." Nothing will do that more than having children. And, of course, having children in and of itself is an essential part of any sensible long-term victory strategy.

4. Improve yourself. Increase your competence. Increase your wealth. Increase your power. Become a Master.

5. Impose your will on the world. Win.

I agree, those are things I can do, in my own little box. And many have merit. Thank you. But the world around me will destroy that box I am in if nothing is done to help the world around me wake up before it is too late. So that is what I am asking.... What can we do to make the world around us wake the fuck up and not go down the rabbit hole any further than we have already?
 
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I agree, those are things I can do, in my own little box. And many have merit. Thank you. But the world around me will destroy that box I am in if nothing is done to help the world around me wake up before it is too late. So that is what I am asking.... What can we do to make the world around us wake up and not go down the rabbit hole any further than we have already?

Consider what you are asking. Do you think it is possible that you are perhaps asking: How can I make my reach extend beyond my abilities?

Or put another way: How can I exert more power over the world than I actually have?

And is not the answer to that question very clear?

Can't. One can't exert power one does not have. So the solution is to get power. Become powerful.

I'm not criticizing you. Your sentiments are good. Your goal is good. Perhaps in this thread we could come up with even more great ideas to achieve that goal. Just remember they should be rooted in realism.
 
Consider what you are asking. Do you think it is possible that you are perhaps asking: How can I make my reach extend beyond my abilities?

Or put another way: How can I exert more power over the world than I actually have?

And is not the answer to that question very clear?

Can't. One can't exert power one does not have. So the solution is to get power. Become powerful.

I'm not criticizing you. Your sentiments are good. Your goal is good. Perhaps in this thread we could come up with even more great ideas to achieve that goal. Just remember they should be rooted in realism.


Perhaps in this thread we could come up with even more great ideas to achieve that goal.

That was the ultimate goal of me starting the thread. Maybe more ideas contributed and connections others have that I don;t will lead to helping raise awareness.
 
I agree, those are things I can do, in my own little box.

Here's another idea: change your thinking about being in a box.

Leave the box. The ideas I presented are not about staying in your own little box. That's not how I meant them at all. They are all about escaping any box and reaching out into the real world. Numbers 4 and 5 especially are, but all are needed. You seem to agree about #5 and want to focus on that. How can we impose our will on the world, to wit: preventing AI and saving humanity? OK, great, we can flesh out #5. Make a movie, OK. Perhaps such movies already exist? Terminator? 2012 Space Odyssey? I haven't seen either, but I'm pretty sure movies portraying doom from intelligent machines are out there. Matrix? So rather than making a new movie (a task to which you say you aren't suited, and nor am I) you could spend money promoting the best movie that best conveys the idea you want to get across.

Or promote an existing book on the problem.

Use DuckDuckGo to deprive Google of the money it needs to fund its AI research. http://www.duckduckgo.com

I'm full of ideas. Do you want more? What kind of ideas?
 
Here's another idea: change your thinking about being in a box.

Leave the box. The ideas I presented are not about staying in your own little box. That's not how I meant them at all. They are all about escaping any box and reaching out into the real world. Numbers 4 and 5 especially are, but all are needed. You seem to agree about #5 and want to focus on that. How can we impose our will on the world, to wit: preventing AI and saving humanity? OK, great, we can flesh out #5. Make a movie, OK. Perhaps such movies already exist? Terminator? 2012 Space Odyssey? I haven't seen either, but I'm pretty sure movies portraying doom from intelligent machines are out there. Matrix? So rather than making a new movie (a task to which you say you aren't suited, and nor am I) you could spend money promoting the best movie that best conveys the idea you want to get across.

Or promote an existing book on the problem.

Use DuckDuckGo to deprive Google of the money it needs to fund its AI research. http://www.duckduckgo.com

I'm full of ideas. Do you want more? What kind of ideas?

I only use Duck too... have for years.

Sure more ideas are great. keep posting.

And some movies get close, sure. But none (that I am aware of) talk about things like a neurolace and the ramifications of that. And that is being worked on IRL right now... So while a a science fiction movie (or book) might help, there are good odds it will remain in the world of make believe and people will not connect it to reality... but one that finishes with the book or movie with Elon is working on a neurolace, and these companies are working on AI, and Facebook had to terminate their AI due to it creating it's own language, and what you just saw is not fiction.... might be better than trying to promote a work of "fantasy" and attempting to link it to reality.
 
I was born in the 80's

Ah, ok. I'm about 20 yrs. older than you. I've seen the pace at which technology accelerate in my lifetime. Computerwise we were punching cards to program in highschool computer class. My grand parents saw, not only the invention of powered flight, but jet-liners and the landing on the moon. They saw war waged with the invention of the tank in warfare through the destructive power of the hydrogen bomb.
So, perhaps in another 20 yrs. you'll begin to understand the belief that things such as A.I. used in dystopian fiction may truly, become reality.
 
Ah, ok. I'm about 20 yrs. older than you. I've seen the pace at which technology accelerate in my lifetime. Computerwise we were punching cards to program in highschool computer class. My grand parents saw, not only the invention of powered flight, but jet-liners and the landing on the moon. They saw war waged with the invention of the tank in warfare through the destructive power of the hydrogen bomb.
So, perhaps in another 20 yrs. you'll begin to understand the belief that things such as A.I. used in dystopian fiction may truly, become reality.

Every technological revolution moves slowly at first then rapidly then it slows down again as it reaches it's limits, computers and AI have limits and they will reach them before Skynet takes over the planet.

There are definite dangers to technology but the world will not end because of it, humans will be the ones to cause that as they have with every other civilizational collapse in pre-techno history.
 
Every technological revolution moves slowly at first then rapidly then it slows down again as it reaches it's limits, computers and AI have limits and they will reach them before Skynet takes over the planet.

There are definite dangers to technology but the world will not end because of it, humans will be the ones to cause that as they have with every other civilizational collapse in pre-techno history.

LOL. so how has your model worked with communication? Pony Express, telegraph / morse code, 1 telephone per town, group "chat lines", 1 rotary phone per house, 1 phone per house occupant and phones with touch tone, brick cell phones in cars only, hand held cell phones, cheap cell phones, smart phones, and eventual a neurolace... I do not see the slow down there....
 
LOL. so how has your model worked with communication? Pony Express, telegraph / morse code, 1 telephone per town, group "chat lines", 1 rotary phone per house, 1 phone per house occupant and phones with touch tone, brick cell phones in cars only, hand held cell phones, cheap cell phones, smart phones, and eventual a neurolace... I do not see the slow down there....

The underlined portion is the slowdown, people are only marginally more able to communicate now than what payphones allowed, the internet which you didn't mention made a bigger difference but it's ability to change things is slowing down as well, the bold may never be achieved.
 
The underlined portion is the slowdown, people are only marginally more able to communicate now than what payphones allowed, the internet which you didn't mention made a bigger difference but it's ability to change things is slowing down as well, the bold may never be achieved.

Yes, I left off the Internet as I was on the "phone" path, but that portion of communication too has evolved.

So we should just pretend like a "neurolace", as written, or something like it won't be achieved? As in faster, more immediate communication is not the goal?

All sorts of different angles are being explored for a brain-computer interface. Elon Musk just as a lot of money (from tax payers) and is working on many different technologies in different areas (Tesla, Solar City, Hyperloop, Boring, etc...) with viable results in a good many of them.

The mesh/lace idea has been worked on for some time... https://www.extremetech.com/extreme...vers-the-brain-can-control-individual-neurons

So it will "probably" be achieved. Regardless of AI (which is also showing great advancement.)

I wish I could blow it off like you do... but I too have seen technology advance an amazing amount in my life.
 
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Yes, I left off the Internet as I was on the "phone" path, but that portion of communication too has evolved.

So we should just pretend like a "neurolace", as written, or something like it won't be achieved? As in faster, more immediate communication is not the goal?

All sorts of different angles are being explored for a brain-computer interface. Elon Musk just as a lot of money (from tax payers) and is working on many different technologies in different areas (Tesla, Solar City, Hyperloop, Boring, etc...) with viable results in a good many of them.

The mesh/lace idea has been worked on for some time... https://www.extremetech.com/extreme...vers-the-brain-can-control-individual-neurons

So it will "probably" be achieved. Regardless of AI (which is also showing great advancement.)

I wish I could blow it off like you do... but I too have seen technology advance an amazing amount in my life.

All I am saying is don't let THEM freak you out, we should be cautious and resist the malicious use of tech as best we can, but Skynet is not coming, the Mark of the beast is but they already have the tech for that.

Remember THEY control Hollywood and the other culture outlets that are hyping AI and Bionics and doomsdays of all varieties.

Treat it like "Climate change", don't freak out but do be prepared for earthquakes, hurricanes, wildfires, droughts and any other natural disasters.
 
All I am saying is don't let THEM freak you out, we should be cautious and resist the malicious use of tech as best we can, but Skynet is not coming, the Mark of the beast is but they already have the tech for that.

Remember THEY control Hollywood and the other culture outlets that are hyping AI and Bionics and doomsdays of all varieties.

Treat it like "Climate change", don't freak out but do be prepared for earthquakes, hurricanes, wildfires, droughts and any other natural disasters.

This has nothing to do with Hollywood and "skynet." And I am not letting ANYONE else freak me out. I have connected the dots and am doing a fine job freaking myself out. LOL. And the mark of the beast? Maybe. Probably, if a "beast" exists. That is a different topic of discussion. But loosing your freedom of choice, private thoughts, etc in and of itself is huge. Connected to 1 single massive "kill switch"

Look it how addicted people are to their phones now. It is evolutionary if we allow things to progress on the path they are on without raising awareness. Read some of the comments on the video of the Elon talk on a neurolace. People love the idea... videogames in your head... wow...

If an AI can create and communicate in it's own language that humans cannot understand or decipher today, what do you think will happen next year, or in 10 years? 50 years? Do you know what life was like 50 years ago, compare to now... And the AI Facebook pulled the plug on was doing just that. It had evolved it's own language for communication that the ones controlling the experiment could not understand.

Treating it like "climate change" will allow it to get out of control before it is too late.

Relax bro, everything will be fine... LOL
 
Just read this:

YouTube’s latest push to ban terrorist propaganda across its ubiquitous video platform is getting off to a rough start. Earlier this week, noted investigative reporter and researcher Alexa O’Brien woke to find that not only had she been permanently banned from YouTube, but that her Gmail and Google Drive accounts had been suspended as well. (comply or be banned from everything) She would later learn that a reviewer who works for Google had mistakenly identified her channel, in the words of a YouTube representative, as “being dedicated to terrorist propaganda.”

This drastic enforcement action followed months of notifications from YouTube, in which O’Brien was told that three of her videos had been flagged for containing “gratuitous violence.” None of the videos, however, depict any actual scenes of violence, except for one that includes footage of American helicopter pilots gunning down civilians in Iraq, which has been widely viewed on YouTube for half a decade.

While appealing YouTube’s decision, O’Brien learned that the mechanism for correcting these mistakes can be vexing, and that a fair outcome is far from guaranteed. By Wednesday morning, her channel was slated for deletion. The Google Drive account she was locked out of contained hundreds of hours of research—or years worth of her work—and was abruptly taken offline. She was then told that she was “prohibited from accessing, possessing or creating any other YouTube accounts.” The ban was for life, and with little explanation and zero human interaction, O’Brien’s research, much of it not accessible elsewhere, was bound for Google’s trashcan.

With the knowledge that YouTube has faced increased pressure from the US and European governments to crack down on the spread of terrorist propaganda—a consequence of which has led to the disappearance of content amassed by conflict reporters—it wasn’t difficult to deduce what had happened to O’Brien’s account.

The problem was eventually addressed and representatives of both Google and YouTube later called O’Brien to apologize and explain the error. When she was told that her channel had been misidentified as an outlet for terrorist propaganda, she could hardly contain her laughter. “It was a series of unfortunate events,” a YouTube rep told her. The mistake, they explained, was the fault of a human reviewer employed by Google.

A spokesperson for Google told Gizmodo on Friday: “With the massive volume of videos on our site, sometimes we make the wrong call. When it’s brought to our attention that a video or channel has been removed mistakenly, we act quickly to reinstate it.”

“This for archival purposes. This is not for propaganda purposes.”This year, YouTube has begun increasingly relying on machine learning to find and scrub extremist content from its pages—a decision prompted by the successful online recruiting efforts of extremist groups such as ISIS. With over 400 hours of content uploaded to YouTube every minute, Google has pledged the development and implementation of systems to target and remove what it calls “terror content.”

Last month, a YouTube spokesperson admitted, however, that its programs “aren’t perfect,” nor are they “right for every setting.” But in many cases, the spokesperson said, its AI has proven “more accurate than humans at flagging videos that need to be removed.” In a call Wednesday, a YouTube representative told Alexa: “Humans will continue to make mistakes, just like any machine system would obviously be flawed.” The machine, which prioritizes the content reviewed by human eyes, wasn’t “quite ready,” she said, to recognize the context under which controversial content is uploaded.

The O’Brien incident demonstrates that Google has many miles to go before its AI and human reviewers are skilled enough to distinguish between extremist propaganda and the investigative work that even Google agrees is necessary to broaden the public’s knowledge of the intricate military, diplomatic, and law enforcement policies at play throughout the global war on terror.

https://gizmodo.com/journalist-nearly-banned-from-youtube-and-gmail-for-pos-1815314182
 
Artificial Intelligence (AI) will more than likely bring about the next technological renaissance. Although it’s capable of some extraordinary things already, it’s not quite at the revolutionary stage yet – but that doesn’t stop people in the know making some intriguing predictions.

Enter John McNamara, a senior inventor and the Innovation Centre Technologist Lead at IBM. He was recently giving evidence to the UK Parliament’s House of Lords AI Committee, and he said that by around 2040, AI nanomachines being injected into our blood streams – effectively creating machine-augmented humans – will be a reality.

“These will provide huge medical benefits, such as being able to repair damage to cells, muscles, and bones,” he told those in session, adding that they could actually end up improving the original biological frameworks.

“Beyond this, utilizing technology which is already being explored today, we see the creation of technology that can meld the biological with the technological,” McNamara points out. He explained that just a little bit more advancement will mean we can “enhance human cognitive capability directly, potentially offering greatly improved mental [abilities], as well as being able to utilize vast quantities of computing power to augment our own thought processes.”

He goes on to suggest that if our environment was augmented too, with nanomachines, AI, and so on, we’d be able to connect to it and interact with it using our thoughts alone. Controlling your home, car, TV, computer and so on like a Jedi? No problem, as long as you can wait 20 or so years.

At this point, you may be thinking that these predictions may be somewhat unrealistic, in the sense that they are possible but not within that short a timeframe. You could be right, but remember, IBM has a history of making predictions about the technology we are likely to have in the near-future, and things like medical laboratories on a chip by 2022 certainly seem completely reasonable.

Yes, 2040 is further away, and the fog of uncertainty is a bit more constraining at that temporal distance. If you take these predictions as a general guide to where we’re heading, though, then we’re sure you can agree we’re in for a very strange and exciting future, no matter when it becomes the present.

As the Lords Committee is also an ethically-focused panel, McNamara emphasized that this technological leap won’t be available to everyone.

“Today, being poor means being unable to afford the latest smartphone,” he surmised. “Tomorrow this could mean the difference between one group of people potentially having an extraordinary uplift in physical ability, cognitive ability, health, lifespan and another much wider group that do not.”

So is society ready for AI to become so widespread? That’s what the Data Society Research Institute – a New York-based tech-heavy think tank – openly wondered when it also submitted its evidence to the Committee.

“The implications of AI will be far-reaching, and are impossible to comprehensively predict,” the authors explain in a written statement, adding that proper science communication is key here, or else people will simply fear AI rather than embrace it.

“We believe that the most productive ways for the general public to be prepared for widespread use of AI will be to understand the limitations – alongside the possibilities – of AI technologies.”

In an ominous addendum, the institute goes on to warn that we should be wary of AI being controlled by the heads of large organizations.
(like Corporations, Governments, Hackers, Aliens if they exist, etc... sounds swell...) “If AI technologies are allowed to bypass existing norms and regulations, this is likely to benefit corporations at the expense of individual workers.”

http://www.iflscience.com/technolog...to-control-things-with-our-minds-by-2040/all/
More (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/...ow-us-control-homes-thoughts-within-20-years/)
 
This is a topic I am rather invested in. I try to follow the current news and key players. I would simply say people woefully underestimate the power that advanced tech like general AI bring to the table. It doesn't take that much imagination to see the path we are on and how it will be used by TPTB for nefarious purposes. Cybernetics is real. They have already begun using biotech to 'heal the sick' and that is one short step away from general enhancement of the human body. The list of implications is simply too long to lay out, but suffice it to say whoever controls the tech will control the world.

I think [MENTION=447]Thor[/MENTION] was on to something when he said he hopes an EMP sends us all back to the stone age. That would make a great movie plot... humanity races toward AI Armageddon while a group of freedom fighters races to detonate an EMP to prevent it.
 
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