I need help now creating RP 2012 literature for NH.

[JoshLowry]

Thanks for your help everyone. I really appreciate it.

Thanks for the link to RPF?

Who runs facebook.com/ronpaul12? You mention an "us."

Who runs RonPaul.com?

Too many scams last time, too many ways to be fooled if we are not cautious. People know that now is an opportune time to infect our networks.

 

[sailingaway]

Thanks for the link to RPF?

Who runs facebook.com/ronpaul12? You mention an "us."

Who runs RonPaul.com?

Too many scams last time, too many ways to be fooled if we are not cautious. People know that now is an opportune time to infect our networks.

www.RonPaul.org is Ron's site, the other is a fan site. I did post it earlier, but with the date of the speech in question, which is what you cite, I just gave the website so you could see all the text in case you wanted a different part. If you are looking for an official site Ron's here: http://www.ronpaul.org/ might be better. But you should say 'paid for by grassroots unaffiliated with any campaign' which fudges who paid (and may not be proper, exactly, for that reason) but at least makes it clear this isn't official campaign funding when Ron doesn't have a campaign account all legally set up.

ahem, this is practical advice, not legal advice per se, since I haven't researched this. I saw a few 'handbooks for activists' somewhere, though.

 

[JoshLowry]

Right, but on the flyer he removed the Daily Paul link and added two other ones. facebook.com/ronpaul12 and ronpaul.com

That's what I was asking about. I don't understand the tailoring of the urls he chose.

 

[sailingaway]

Right, but on the flyer he removed the Daily Paul link and added two other ones. facebook.com/ronpaul12 and ronpaul.com

That's what I was asking about.

Ah. There are people who think facebook is as good as meetups but cheaper. I object to its privacy policies so don't use it. I definitely agree Ronpaulforums.com should be in there. We want MORE networking.

I can't speak to those other sites, I assume they are his. I didn't 'like' it when it was going around because I don't like facebook. I'll like Ron's campaign site, but not extras. That's just me. It looks like a decent site when I look at it, though, with nothing else to go on. I don't see anything asking for money....

I'm with you on being concerned about scams....but he seems to have 90,000 odd people already on that site, so it isn't just getting a push from this particular flyer...

it does have a store, http://ronpaul2012store.com/

But THAT links back to Ron's House site and ronpaul.org

Overall, I like the look of it, but I know nothing about computers. Do you see something I don't see?

 

[JoshLowry]

I dunno, I don't want to be the paranoid one yelling at everyone to look out every time I see a red flag.

Some of it is probably justifiable because there really are people out there that would like to harm us mixed in with the hundreds of thousands of real supporters.

 

[sailingaway]

I don't disagree, I already avoid email collecting 'pledge' sites. Where is the red flag?

What if he's just like you and Michael, and wants to generate support -- and a site too?

I mean, is there anything you see that makes you think that isn't it? Because I don't honestly think many people will be brought in from these flyers at this particular event, and over time we'll find out if it is an ally or not. Other than shutting out new people, which we don't want, how else do we proceed?

 

[JoshLowry]

I don't disagree, I already avoid email collecting 'pledge' sites. Where is the red flag?

What if he's just like you and Michael, and wants to generate support -- and a site too?

I mean, is there anything you see that makes you think that isn't it? Because I don't honestly think many people will be brought in from these flyers at this particular event, and over time we'll find out if it is an ally or not. Other than shutting out new people, which we don't want, how else do we proceed?

They aren't wearing a black hat by any means, but it is underhanded what RonPaul.com did by sucking up the ronpaul2008.com domain when a staffer at the campaigns expense ineptly let it and 70k youtube subscribers go to whoever wanted it.

RonPaul.com people then went to youtube and said, hey that's our account, transfer ownership of it to us.

The beneficiary of the work that went into getting all those subscribers has changed. One red flag, nothing to set me into action, just bitch about it here.

Edit: They also benefit by permanently point the rp2008 domain to the url they choose which gives the link juice from RonPaul2008.com to the domain of their choosing. (affects search results)

Right now they have ronpaul2008.com pointed at http://www.ronpaul2012.net/ which is the one trying to collect 100k signatures. email addresses.

 

[sailingaway]

:o

They aren't wearing a black hat by any means, but it's underhanded what RonPaul.com did by sucking up the ronpaul2008.com domain when a staffer at the campaigns expense ineptly let it and 70k youtube subscribers go to whoever wanted it. RonPaul.com people then went to youtube and said, hey that's our account, transfer ownership of it to us. The beneficiary of the work that went into getting all those subscribers has changed. One red flag, nothing to set me into action, just bitch about it here.

Oh. I didn't know that story. Well, I don't see why he'd use ronpaul.com instead of ronpaul.org on the flyer. I DID post ronpaul.com just because I picked up the text of a speech there (it is one I'd read elsewhere as well.) he might have just gotten that from me. It isn't in the 'join us' part. I think it was to replace the campaign website from 2008 he deleted. In which case the final will have ronpaul.org instead of .com.

 

[mr1]

Thanks for the link to RPF?

Who runs facebook.com/ronpaul12? You mention an "us."

Who runs RonPaul.com?

Too many scams last time, too many ways to be fooled if we are not cautious. People know that now is an opportune time to infect our networks.

I was in a rush last night to get something together and I didn't think too long about what sites would be best.

I don't run either of the sites I mentioned.

I liked the idea of mentioning the Ron Paul 2012 facebook group because it has a large number of people specifically supporting Ron Paul in 2012 and so it shows that he has support for a 2012 run. The official Ron Paul facebook page has over 280,000 "likes" but it doesn't show specific support for 2012 so I thought the Ron Paul 2012 page might be better. I said "Join us" in the flier just because I am one of the many people that have "liked" the "Ron Paul 2012" facebook page.

And I liked the idea of linking to ronpaul.com because it is updated more often than ronpaul.org and it also prominently features the pledge site ronpaul2012.net. I've been of the opinion for awhile that it is really important to get a good pledge site going with lots of signers in order to be ready to make a move as soon as Ron forms an exploratory committee and organize a huge kickoff moneybomb. I tried to do that by helping with the pledge site at TheRonPaulTeaParty.com but it didn't take off so we took down the pledge counter for know. Trevor Lyman's pledge sites draftronpaul.com and runronpaul.com don't seem to be getting tons of traction so I was glad when ronpaul2012.net's pledge site started to take off.

I wasn't sure if RPF was the best place to link to for the NH GOP crowd, but maybe so. I just made a quick decision. It wasn't meant to be totally final. I'd like to rework this flier, or another, even more to get it ready to use at CPAC.

Maybe it might be good to list 3 sites at the bottom:
"www.RonPaul.org - Official site
www.RonPaul.com - News and Fan site
www.RonPaulForums.com - Grassroots discussion and activism site"

 

[sailingaway]

I was in a rush last night to get something together and I didn't think too long about what sites would be best.

I don't run either of the sites I mentioned.

I liked the idea of mentioning the Ron Paul 2012 facebook group because it has a large number of people specifically supporting Ron Paul in 2012 and so it shows that he has support for a 2012 run. The official Ron Paul facebook page has over 280,000 "likes" but it doesn't show specific support for 2012 so I thought the Ron Paul 2012 page might be better. I said "Join us" in the flier just because I am one of the many people that have "liked" the "Ron Paul 2012" facebook page.

And I liked the idea of linking to ronpaul.com because it is updated more often than ronpaul.org and it also prominently features the pledge site ronpaul2012.net. I've been of the opinion for awhile that it is really important to get a good pledge site going with lots of signers in order to be ready to make a move as soon as Ron forms an exploratory committee and organize a huge kickoff moneybomb. I tried to do that by helping with the pledge site at TheRonPaulTeaParty.com but it didn't take off so we took down the pledge counter for know. Trevor Lyman's pledge sites draftronpaul.com and runronpaul.com don't seem to be getting tons of traction so I was glad when ronpaul2012.net's pledge site started to take off.

I wasn't sure if RPF was the best place to link to for the NH GOP crowd, but maybe so. I just made a quick decision. It wasn't meant to be totally final. I'd like to rework this flier, or another, even more to get it ready to use at CPAC.

Maybe it might be good to list 3 sites at the bottom:
"www.RonPaul.org - Official site
www.RonPaul.com - News and Fan site
www.RonPaulForums.com - Grassroots discussion and activism site"

If the history of RonPaul.com is as Josh thinks (as in it slurpped up a campaign site for its subscribers when the campaign staffer made an error and dropped it and then wouldn't give it back) it really sounds like something I wouldn't want to lead others to, since it doesn't really seem its main goal is pro-Paul.

I think Ron Paul forums and DP is where people get involved. They came HERE to GET the likes on facebook. A lot of libertarian leaning people have real problems with the way facebook is run, as well. Which doesn't mean you should leave them off if you like them, however, Ronpaul.com isn't updated more than here by any means, and isn't interactive. It has zero community.

As for pledging, what earthly good does that do? Ron Paul has our email addresses and donations. He knows we will vote for him. Campaign for Liberty has over half a million members; Ron's congressional website is liked by over 200,000 -- how many lists does the man need?

 

[Aratus]

Facebook is the very private executive sandbox of the quite young billionaire dude
the recent oscar movie is about. methinks indeed he may have his own pet causes.
the world wide web is more global as Facebook approximates hobbes's auld leviathan.
the idea is to get people into meet~ups and/or lurking and better on sites like daily paul.

 

[mr1]

The fliers are printed! I was just barely able to get them done in time. I wasn't able to get all the edits done exactly the way we wanted but we were crunched for time. I'm very happy with what I got, considering I just found out about the staw poll 2 days ago.

Again, these fliers will be handed out tomorrow prior to the NH GOP annual meeting where they will be holding a presidential straw poll. I believe that high profile polls like this are some of the most effective ground work we can be doing right now in support of a Ron Paul 2012 run.

The printing was kind of expensive, since it was so rushed. If anyone can help defray my costs by contributing to my ChipIn that would be very helpful.
http://ronpaul2012nh.chipin.com/ron-paul-2012-fliers

And thanks to everyone that helped me with editing the flier.

 

[mr1]

The fliers are printed!

Oh, and I do have the flier in pdf format, ready for printing. If anyone would like the file, send me a message.

 

[pacelli]

I dunno, I don't want to be the paranoid one yelling at everyone to look out every time I see a red flag.

Some of it is probably justifiable because there really are people out there that would like to harm us mixed in with the hundreds of thousands of real supporters.

You have every right to nit-pick the details, especially this early in the season. Some innocent foul-ups now could come back to haunt us later. We learned this the hard way in 07-08.

 

[HazyHusky420]

Well, I might also prefer a weak isolationist president if that just meant that the president wouldn't intervene militarily abroad and that he would in general reduce the overextended power of the presidency.

However, "weak" and "isolationist" have bad connotations to most people so I say we avoid them. When I talk about the myth that Ron Paul would be "weak" and an "isolationist", I'm talking about the perceptions that Ron Paul would make us unprotected by weakening our military, and that he would make us cut off all foreign trade and interaction. That is what I think a lot of people think of when they hear the media call someone isolationist. And that is not what Ron Paul is. We need to stress that he is "strong" by being willing to make the tough decisions and make us more safe by bringing the troops home and focusing on true defense. And that he is not isolationist because like many of the founders, he wants trade and commerce with all, but entangling alliances with none.

If most people weren't so damn brainwashed they would have nothing against a "weak isolationist".

 

[sailingaway]

Oh, and I do have the flier in pdf format, ready for printing. If anyone would like the file, send me a message.

I'm going to get it started and chip in $20.12. If the ronpaul.com were off, I'd likely do more, but I would like the pdf -- as far as I know these are the only flyers ready to go for 2012, immediately. Can it be pmd? Otherwise my chip in should show my email.

And thank you for getting up there on such short notice!

 

[trey4sports]

GREAT fliers man, +rep

 

[Eric21ND]

Those fliers look sweet man! I like the updates. One question about where should we direct people to go online? Ron's official facebook page? The Ron Paul 2012 facebook page ran by someone? Ron Paul Forums perhaps since we have all the indepth discussion?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

What do I do if I prefer a weak isolationist?

Get a job crafting Mitt Romney's rhetoric?

 

[sailingaway]

I never did get the pdf file. Am I going to get it?