I Lost My Religion

[Mr Tansill]

...interpretations of what is basically a metaphysical and alchemical text not to be read literally, but metaphorically.

Rev9

Shack.

 

[CasualApathy]

Yes, some Christians are Christian in name only, and they will be judged more strictly in the Final Judgment. But those who are not Christians and who judge, they too will be judged.

LOL, that's exactly my point, so much judgement... :-/

 

[WilliamC]

Here is a poem. Take from it what you will. It was written by an Englishman born in India.

"Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even to the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story. Avoid loud and aggressive persons; they are vexatious to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain or bitter, for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time. Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism. Be yourself. Especially do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment, it is as perennial as the grass. Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth. Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be. And whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life, keep peace in your soul. With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful. Strive to be happy." ~ Max Ehrmann, "Desiderata" 1927

I've seen this before but never knew it's source, thanks for sharing.

Here's one in a similar vein...


Cast away back in time to a place
When you were happy, a smile on your face
Try to remember when you felt so carefree
Nothing was too hard anyone you could be.

Whatever happened to naive innocence?
The dreams of youth were so carelessly spent
Without the slightest concern for what was to come
What made you think life would always be fun?

So now you have doubts, worries and fears
That grow and multiply with each passing year
Until all of your energy and all of your time
Is spent trying to keep dark thoughts from your mind.

Where can be found a way out of this trap?
Back to the road that's not on any map
A path with a heart that springs from a source
That gives meaning to life and runs a true course.

Let go of your past and let go of your plans
Let your spirit take flight and watch where it lands
For there is the shore towards which you should sail
Though you may never get there, if you try you won't fail.

 

[Working Poor]

As I matured and learned a little more about the world, I began to truly explore things around me. I am a rationalist, and I know how to perform science. I am a wildlife biologist by education, an agronomist by upbringing, a chemist by personal hobbies and exploration, and a physicist by necessity. I have come to learn from that that most religions that try to codify knowledge and make assumptions about the nature of the universe can go horribly wrong, but that being a spiritual person doesn't mean you have to accept those assumptions.

I always hated school and was always bored to death even in college. Several colleges tried to get me to go into physics. I instead got into art music and physiology. I have 2 associates(art and music) and one BA in physiology I also hold several certificates in alternative health(herbal pharmacology, therapeutic touch, massage therapy (900hr soft tissue course), reiki master, lymphatic drainage III, polarity therapy.,III. I write and read several languages studied Cantonese,Latin, Portuguese an Spanish. I also have been studying alternative energy and am experimenting with hydrogen cells and the Bendini circuit also, I am studying sound frequencies effects on the body but I still believe their is a God an that Jesus is my savior.

Still i am a rebel at heart I hate rules but I appreciate the laws of the universe. I am dyslexic but I can read backwards faster than most people can read frontwards. Until I got the internet I probably read about 50 books a week. There was always a big stack of books by my bed and beside my favorite chair an numerous book cases were filled books as well. People closest to me have always resented my love of books. i am a nerd to be sure.

I am a long way from perfect and some would say i am a bad girl. I got kicked out of Sunday school class when I was 3 years old because when I was asked what my worst sin was I said I procrastinated and I guess my teacher did not understand what that meant but figured it was pretty bad of course my college educated parents did not want to fight for my right to go to that church and probably thought it was funny when they found out about it. I learned to read on my own by 4 so I could read the college books of my parents an the nursing books that a friend of my mom''s gave to me cause I said I wanted to be a doctor. Society taught me that girls were not much value and my parents were much more concerned about getting my brothers thru school than paying attention to my aspirations. By the time I was 6 I finished reading all of that plus the Bible a few times. I read every reference book in the library near my house including all the encyclopedia sets by the time I was 10.

Fortunately for me there was God...

 

[WilliamC]

I always hated school and was always bored to death even in college. Several colleges tried to get me to go into physics. I instead got into art music and physiology. I have 2 associates(art and music) and one BA in physiology I also hold several certificates in alternative health(herbal pharmacology, therapeutic touch, massage therapy (900hr soft tissue course), reiki master, lymphatic drainage III, polarity therapy.,III. I write and read several languages studied Cantonese,Latin, Portuguese an Spanish. I also have been studying alternative energy and am experimenting with hydrogen cells and the Bendini circuit also, I am studying sound frequencies effects on the body but I still believe their is a God an that Jesus is my savior.

Still i am a rebel at heart I hate rules but I appreciate the laws of the universe. I am dyslexic but I can read backwards faster than most people can read frontwards. Until I got the internet I probably read about 50 books a week. There was always a big stack of books by my bed and beside my favorite chair an numerous book cases were filled books as well. People closest to me have always resented my love of books. i am a nerd to be sure.

I am a long way from perfect and some would say i am a bad girl. I got kicked out of Sunday school class when I was 3 years old because when I was asked what my worst sin was I said I procrastinated and I guess my teacher did not understand what that meant but figured it was pretty bad of course my college educated parents did not want to fight for my right to go to that church and probably thought it was funny when they found out about it. I learned to read on my own by 4 so I could read the college books of my parents an the nursing books that a friend of my mom''s gave to me cause I said I wanted to be a doctor. Society taught me that girls were not much value and my parents were much more concerned about getting my brothers thru school than paying attention to my aspirations. By the time I was 6 I finished reading all of that plus the Bible a few times. I read every reference book in the library near my house including all the encyclopedia sets by the time I was 10.

Fortunately for me there was God...

Have you perchance visited the 'Libertarian Dating' thread?

Nevermind.....

 

[Working Poor]

Have you perchance visited the 'Libertarian Dating' thread?

Nevermind.....

I guess you did not know that I am in a relationship but I never was that much for dating even when I wasn't.

 

[Mr Tansill]

Forgive the length, but instead of posting my thoughts and replying to a bunch of topics in separate posts, I've rolled it all into one monstrosity...

I lost mine too. I'll ring in on this late because I think it's an interesting topic, and I can now see my departure from religion about 15 years ago is part of the same chain that brought me to the liberty movement.

I was never a religious person, was raised Protestant, but was always a questioner - you could probably say I never actually "believed," but tried to in order to fit in with those around me. This feeling is common to the majority of humanity I think - we have questions, but in order to be socially comfortable, we quell our misgivings.

Shortly after high school, I took a philosophy class and was exposed to other thought systems and world religions - it was at this point I recognized the common thread humanity shares in possessing a belief system, as well as the mode by which we believe: inheritance. Quite simply (excepting few cases here and there), we inherit the belief system of our parents. That, to me, illuminates something about Christianity and religion in general - it's more genetic or cultural than absolute truth (as it parades to be). I mean, if Islam, Christianity, and Judaism all say contradictory things, one, both, or all must be saying something that is untrue (i.e. does not correspond to reality). After the end of this class, I considered myself an Atheist.

A couple of years later though, I realized one of the things I disliked so much about religion was that it said definite things about the universe it was unable or unwilling to demonstrate. Then, critically, I examined Atheism under the same guise - I recognized that Atheism also says definite things about the universe that it is unable to demonstrate. So, after a couple of evolutions, I have arrived at my current state of Agnosticism - which I think is the only logically justifiable position to take since there is no conclusive evidence on either side - just interpretation and induction.

What the whole thing basically boils down to me now is an argument about language. My opinion is that no two Christians, no two Muslims, no two Jews, and no two Atheists share the same beliefs because of all the undefined terms floating around - so no one actually knows what they are talking about. The minute you attempt to pin something to a definition, they begin to change the meanings of the words..."oh, God didn't mean seven days to you and me...seven days to God could be millions of years..." blah, blah, blah.

Also, the universality of religion doesn't mean atheism doesn't exist, since atheism is a religion.

I agree with you here, but I don't think most Atheists would...I think a good, abstract definition of religion is basically any system of thought that purports something definite about the universe, life, or X, without demonstrating it, or more appropriately, without being able to demonstrate it. Which, of course, would encompass Atheism.

It's not baseless. If you get an anthropology book, you'll find that religion is a universal human concept/institution, and has been since Neanderthal man. Even atheism ("hard" or "soft") are religious perspectives.

Yep, but to get at the seed of the issue, I think the universal role religion fills is to answer questions...so more fundamentally, the "universal concept/institution" is that we human beings have questions about the nature of the universe.

It is impossible for us not to have certain beliefs that are based in faith. In other words it is impossible for us to base all of our beliefs on logic (including our belief in logic itself).

This means that we can't make any claims without having these leaps of faith in our system. It doesn't mean that each and every claim is itself a leap of faith and that there is no place for logic.

We all reason with both logic and faith. It is impossible to have a system that entirely avoids either one.

I agree, basically, with some additions though...

All logic/mathematics rests on certain assumptions, called axioms, that are taken for granted (or defined as true, if you like). This most fundamental reason for this is because Math/logic must start somewhere. An axiom cannot be proved; if it could be, it is not an axiom, but a theorem.

So yes, "all" of our beliefs are based on a leap of faith (i.e. an assumption/axiomatic system)...some are open to revision though, and others are not - this is what makes some thought systems respectable, and others not.

You can't possibly offend me with this kind of stuff. You think you've shown that something I said was irrational here?

The fact that it is logically necessary that 2+2=4 is a fact without respect to any numbering system, or even the existence of minds and symbols at all. It's an abstract truth that cannot not be true. Granted, in order for the symbols I used to communicate that inviolable abstract truth, we have to share certain assumptions about those symbols. This is true of all communication, not just mathematics. But, since, as you said, the assumption that we both would understand those symbols the same way was a safe assumption, and the abstract truth I was communicating with them was accurately communicated, all that side talk about how I would have been saying something untrue if I meant something different by those symbols than what I meant is irrelevant.

This is a good point, and I want to add to it. There are actual, living, absolute truths in the universe. You are talking about something known as tautologies. Of course, the question always becomes "to what level are the assumptions we're making in correspondence to reality?" It's a difficult question to address.

That's not exactly correct and honestly, not trying to be rude but it cuts to the heart of your irrationality...

2 + 2 = 4 is only true in base 10 number system and even though I absolutely agree that for all practical purposes of discussion we can assume a base 10 number system, but that is an assumption that you make here and the fact that you don't seem to realize it shows me you may not also recognize certain other assumptions in your reasoning.

So it is in no way "logically necessary" for 2 + 2 = 4, that is a false statement since in a base 3 number system 2 + 2 = 11.

I have repeatedly asked you for more information on your rules of logic and since you have failed to provide me any feedback I am, coupled with the above observation, forced to conclude that we are not using the same rules.

Forgive me if I offend you for posting this, but I would be remiss should I allow such a mistake to go unchallenged.

And I would be remiss to allow this misuse of logic to continue its parade (I'm not trying to be rude, but it really does frustrate me when people abuse mathematics).

It is exactly correct that "2 + 2 = 4" in the base 10 number system. It is also exactly correct that "2 + 2 = 11" in a base 3 number system. Get ready, because this is where the wheels fall off your logic train: you are falsely assuming that these two number systems are actually saying different things by purporting that because the symbol "4" is not the same as the symbol "11" the equation 2 + 2 must be equal to two different quantities.

News Flash: the symbol "4" does not exist in the base 3 number system (it includes only "0" "1" and "2").

"4" does equal "11" when the "4" is from the base 10 number system and "11" is from the base 3 system.

The reason for this, and the reason your argument/attack is flawed, is because you don't understand a concept known as "isomorphism." The base 10 and base 3 number systems are "isomorphic." I.e., the same operations within each system do the "same" thing. How else do you think a computer which thinks in terms of "on" and "off" (represented by 0 and 1) can do mathematics in a base 10 system??? Do a little reading - if you have questions, come back.

If your argument really was that the symbols themselves are different, I've got nothing for you. But that position is like arguing that because something is true in English, it is false in Chinese - see, languages can be isomorphic as well...

If you can't go out an look at a clear night sky, watch a storm ride in or stand on a mountain top and look out or breathe the air and not be in wonder at the miracle and not feel that there is something "super natural' about it then you really are not paying attention at all. I mean really how do you think all this came to be? I know one thing I did not make all this possible and neither did anyone else. I give thanks and praise to the most high God.

I have the same feeling - I think many Atheists and Agnostics do too. But from this feeling, I don't induce that a man walked on water 2000 years ago.

 

[WilliamC]

I agree, basically, with some additions though...

All logic/mathematics rests on certain assumptions, called axioms, that are taken for granted (or defined as true, if you like). This most fundamental reason for this is because Math/logic must start somewhere. An axiom cannot be proved; if it could be, it is not an axiom, but a theorem.

So yes, "all" of our beliefs are based on a leap of faith (i.e. an assumption/axiomatic system)...some are open to revision though, and others are not - this is what makes some thought systems respectable, and others not

The word faith in religion has a special definition, in that faith (at least in the Christian religion, the only one with which I have any familiarity) is said to be a gift from god and not something a human can gain independently of god.

If interested see this post for supporting evidence.

Faith is not natural human faith. In order to function in life, we must exercise a natural faith. We have faith in natural laws such as gravity and inertia and assume that they will work the same every day. If the universe were unpredictable and untrustworthy, chaos would reign and life as we know it would be impossible. We trust inanimate machines. By turning an ignition key, flipping on a light switch, boarding an aircraft, we exercise faith in machines. We trust vegetables and animals—we assume they will perform according to our past experience. We trust other human beings. We trust our surgeon, our spouse, our pilot, etc. However, faith in God is supernatural—a gift from God. We will examine the nature of faith in God in the next chapter.

I'm not talking about the kind of 'faith' required to accept that the sun will rise tomorrow, or that a logical axiom is true, these types of beliefs do not require the special religious faith as explained in the referenced post.

Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Sounds to me like there is absolutely nothing I can do to acquire this religious faith, it must be bestowed upon me as a gift by god.

It hasn't happened to me yet.

This is a good point, and I want to add to it. There are actual, living, absolute truths in the universe. You are talking about something known as tautologies. Of course, the question always becomes "to what level are the assumptions we're making in correspondence to reality?" It's a difficult question to address.



And I would be remiss to allow this misuse of logic to continue its parade (I'm not trying to be rude, but it really does frustrate me when people abuse mathematics).

It is exactly correct that "2 + 2 = 4" in the base 10 number system. It is also exactly correct that "2 + 2 = 11" in a base 3 number system. Get ready, because this is where the wheels fall off your logic train: you are falsely assuming that these two number systems are actually saying different things by purporting that because the symbol "4" is not the same as the symbol "11" the equation 2 + 2 must be equal to two different quantities.

News Flash: the symbol "4" does not exist in the base 3 number system (it includes only "0" "1" and "2").

"4" does equal "11" when the "4" is from the base 10 number system and "11" is from the base 3 system.

The reason for this, and the reason your argument/attack is flawed, is because you don't understand a concept known as "isomorphism." The base 10 and base 3 number systems are "isomorphic." I.e., the same operations within each system do the "same" thing. How else do you think a computer which thinks in terms of "on" and "off" (represented by 0 and 1) can do mathematics in a base 10 system??? Do a little reading - if you have questions, come back.

If your argument really was that the symbols themselves are different, I've got nothing for you. But that position is like arguing that because something is true in English, it is false in Chinese - see, languages can be isomorphic as well...

Yes, my argument is that stating "2 + 2 = 4 is an absolute truth" is incorrect since another could as easily state "2 + 2 = 11 is an absolute truth" and unless both were willing to discuss the matter further and realize they are starting with a different number system then there would never be any further progress made towards mutual understanding.

That's what I see happening, I'm trying to figure out how some folks are using words differently than me so I can better understand them.

I really don't have the same type of faith in science or evolution that religious folk have in god, in fact at least for the christians their own bible tells me I can't have that faith unless it is given to me.

To me certain logical precepts seems to be among the most natural aspects of the Universe, even if I must accept them axiomatically.

Others seem to feel they must invoke god or the supernatural to explain logic, and that I must too even if I don't know I'm doing it.

 

[Working Poor]

A long time ago I met a man who said something pretty profound for my brain. He was a man of few words. He said to me "there is no truth". The trek in my mind to prove this guy wrong still carries on even today.

I want one thing to be true for me so I let it be for me that "Jesus is the King of Kings". It can stop the endless flow of thoughts that lead to nowhere in my mind. Thinking this as truth strengthens me in my body and mind there is something healing about the name Jesus. The Bible makes a whole lot more sense if I read from the perspective that Jesus is the King of Kings.

Man's trek to find truth in the physical world is is almost comical to me. I even laugh at myself sometimes for believing something man calls science or facts. To me it just proves how arrogant man still is. All the books I have read mean nothing. I am just going to stick with Jesus is the King of Kings because it is simple.

We perceive a body we seek the support of our fellow so called humans. We seek agreement so we can be stubborn about something as a group. Everything is energy I think and I can even make it true for me unless i try to prove it to someone else. If I try to prove it it ends up having no truth if I compare it to Jesus is the King of Kings which is still the only truth I know. I think I have been around plenty of christians who do not believe Jesus is the King. He is the law of gravity, the proton,the neutron and, the mitochondria if there really are such things.

 

[pcosmar]

I started reading very young, My Mom was a teacher and taught me to read.

But the bible is,, different. You can read the text. Gather the history and hear the story.
But until your heart is opened you won't really understand it.

13When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

14And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

15He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Some get it, some don't. Truth is reveled a piece at a time. As you are ready to understand it.

It is not all just words on a page.

 

[Working Poor]

for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Amen

 

[idirtify]

A long time ago I met a man who said something pretty profound for my brain. He was a man of few words. He said to me "there is no truth". The trek in my mind to prove this guy wrong still carries on even today.

I want one thing to be true for me so I let it be for me that "Jesus is the King of Kings". It can stop the endless flow of thoughts that lead to nowhere in my mind. Thinking this as truth strengthens me in my body and mind there is something healing about the name Jesus. The Bible makes a whole lot more sense if I read from the perspective that Jesus is the King of Kings.

Man's trek to find truth in the physical world is is almost comical to me. I even laugh at myself sometimes for believing something man calls science or facts. To me it just proves how arrogant man still is. All the books I have read mean nothing. I am just going to stick with Jesus is the King of Kings because it is simple.

We perceive a body we seek the support of our fellow so called humans. We seek agreement so we can be stubborn about something as a group. Everything is energy I think and I can even make it true for me unless i try to prove it to someone else. If I try to prove it it ends up having no truth if I compare it to Jesus is the King of Kings which is still the only truth I know. I think I have been around plenty of christians who do not believe Jesus is the King. He is the law of gravity, the proton,the neutron and, the mitochondria if there really are such things.

Your trek is over. “There is no truth” is the easiest kind of claim to disprove. Since it disproves itself, it only needs to be pointed it out that it’s self-defeating. Can you see how it’s self-defeating? It’s easy to explain in one sentence: Whoever says, “there is no truth” is saying what they believe to be a truth. But it’s not only disproven by contradiction, it’s also obviously untrue in its content. Truth and true statements are quite common. And since the desire to find truth is pretty natural and universal, I disagree that it’s evidence of man’s arrogance. But if finding simplicity is your bigger goal, it’s only logical that you would be less interested.

 

[Working Poor]

Your trek is over. “There is no truth” is the easiest kind of claim to disprove. Since it disproves itself, it only needs to be pointed it out that it’s self-defeating. Can you see how it’s self-defeating? It’s easy to explain in one sentence: Whoever says, “there is no truth” is saying what they believe to be a truth. But it’s not only disproven by contradiction, it’s also obviously untrue in its content. Truth and true statements are quite common. And since the desire to find truth is pretty natural and universal, I disagree that it’s evidence of man’s arrogance. But if finding simplicity is your bigger goal, it’s only logical that you would be less interested.

it feels like it has just begun the trek that is.

 

[libertyjam]

it feels like it has just begun the trek that is.

 

[WilliamC]

it feels like it has just begun the trek that is.

Ooh ooh ooh, I've got a poem about this


Life is just beginning
It starts over every day
And if you think you're winning
Then keep on your merry way
But if you're lost and lonely
If you're down and blue
Just remember you're the only
One who gives a damn for you.

There doesn't have to be answers
To the questions puzzling you
There need not be solutions
Or a way to see it through
It isn't necessary to believe in
Forgiveness for you sins
Or think you'll be receiving
A means to reach your ends.

So reach into your insides
And tear out all the pain
There is absolutely nothing
That keeping it will gain
Don't replace it all with anger
Or let hatred find a hold
If you do you'll be in danger
Of giving up your soul.

You've got to keep it all together
And fight for all you're worth
It doesn't have to be forever
Just as long as you’re on earth
So what if it's a lifetime?
There is nothing to be saved
It doesn't matter if you waste time
You can't take it to the grave.

I used to think that I was so proud
I flew high above it all
I didn't care if I got too loud
Or if anybody heard my call
Then I met the woman
She brought me down so low
I should have seen it coming
I didn't want to see her go.


So I’ll give you my opinion
Though you may not want to hear
There's only yourself to believe in
Never give in to your fear
Your heart will always guide you
But you must use your head as well
Keep searching for your own truth
No matter what I say or tell.

Love is the only answer
It's the only thing that's real
If you don't have it you're in trouble
It's the way we all should feel
For only when we know love
Can we understand the reason why
It's the only way to rise above
The truth is we all must die.

 

[Working Poor]

In your mind you make anything you want true. Your facts are not necessarily my facts. My perception of reality, facts or what ever you want to call it is just that: yours or my perception. I see stuff that you can't or don't see, You see stuff that I can't or don't see. For me I had to find one thing that could always be true for me Jesus is that one truth. I only need one truth in this place of so many variables that i am in.

 

[Working Poor]

It seems to me that our thoughts are the most powerful part of us as humans even in the Bible in Proverbs it is mentioned that as we think so shall it be.

Thought is what creates what we perceive. Is any of it real? We really don't know. I can go to church or school an have a joint thought session with others and be a part of creating a joint so called reality. I can't really find much of a group that wants to create what i perceive which is time travel and spirit living. I feel like an outsider most of the time. I see things others don't see. It kinda feels like I am dead sometimes and this is why I choose death in Christ for myself because it feels like I am not alone on the journey I am on. The path is narrow I don't understand or could even begin to be able to analyze what I perceive. The closest human word I know is awesome but, it could also be joy or love I suppose. I look inside where Jesus says the kingdom is. His burden is light take His yoke OMG!! if you don't know what I am talking about I feel sorrow for you. For me it seems to be the place of who we really are who you are an everyone else. The law, if there really is one and you and I are not just some figment; is love my friends LOVE. Look inside yourself and hear it call.don't be afraid it is the place of great joy...

 

[PaulConventionWV]

I did not loose my faith in Jesus I lost my desire to congregate with Christians.

I lost this, too. I once had it, but once I realized the futility of my own struggle and the demise of my life with everyone around me noticing, I decided it was time to stop acting like I had all the answers or to try to associate with others the way I used to. I didn't say my decision was right. I'm just heart-broken because my life is being ruined before my eyes.

 

[WilliamC]

I lost this, too. I once had it, but once I realized the futility of my own struggle and the demise of my life with everyone around me noticing, I decided it was time to stop acting like I had all the answers or to try to associate with others the way I used to. I didn't say my decision was right. I'm just heart-broken because my life is being ruined before my eyes.

There are good christians out there, trust me.

One of my best friends is a lay pastor at a small church in Southern Alabama, I went last Sunday to listen to him preach and had a wonderful time there.

Don't give up looking, there are good people out there of all persuasions, but it can be hard to find them.

 

[Working Poor]

Don't give up looking, there are good people out there of all persuasions, but it can be hard to find them.

I am always looking, there are Christians every where not just church. I have prayer partners my whole family and most of my friends and neighbors are Christians there is plenty of support. I slip into churches around where I live. i enjoy saying hello. I go to some of their fish frys and musical events that my friends play at. Music is one thing that does keep me connected to churches because so many of my friends are church musicians. I love my musician friends I really do even the Jazz ones especially if they play in churches.

I can't go any where hardly where I don't run into some of my church associates.

Some people reflect what is inside of them and others reflect the outside a lot of people don't know about this.