I just talked with National

[beachmaster]

WHAT PLAN?

You know, the plan that the campaign is supposed to start kicking in... ANY DAY NOW!

 

[ambiguousscion]

We'll see...

 

[StopTheNWO]

Maybe we should all go back to smoking pot and playing XBox...

 

[jason43]

You know, the plan that the campaign is supposed to start kicking in... ANY DAY NOW!

The one where they take the millions in the bank, buy M-16's, and storm the convention, Iraq invasion-shock and awe style???

 

[THE RED DRAGON]

If he runs indy he can take all those millions over with him right? I mean he will need them to get on the ballots.

 

[jacmicwag]

You guys really, why should he put out a press release, if the press wants to hear where he stands they can pick up the phone and ask him. I think we should give the dude a day. As far as hearing from him to make us feel better, come on, now, we are Ron Paul Republicans, we don't need to have him come out and hold our hands. Remember, what he said, this is our campaign, he is in it until we no longer support him. So instead of having him come and make us feel better, why not make him feel better.

Good point. He may be reading the forums right now trying to gage our reaction. If we all give up, then he throws in the towel also. But one might wonder what is the purpose of continuing on at this point. We cannot win the nomination but can we influence the platform or other candidates positions? Possibly.

And, at some point, the GOP will start kissing our butts looking for votes in the general. Since McCain openly admits he knows nothing about the economy, maybe he'd bring Ron in and let him run that part of the business. Stranger deals have been made.

 

[ambiguousscion]

From all the posts, I guess the plan is to smoke pot, play on the X-Box, Storm Washington with gunfire, wait for some National HQ plan to kick in, complain about the media and National HQ...

 

[colin1]

National has been a complete failure from the get go. If Ron himself hadn't done so well and went viral on the net, and we hadn't all jumped on it, nothing would have happened and Ron wouldn't have made it out of that first debate when the "Giuliani moment" happened. Very few people knew Ron before that.

Its time we were honest with ourselves, the offical campaign failed the movement... thats not to say that the movement is a failure, but the campaign could have done sooooo much more with the money and the volunteers. All the other campaigns would have killed to have the support that we have. That Ron has made less events in the last month than Hilldog had in Cali alone is inexcusable, given the fact that we probably have comperable money on hand. There is just no excuse, and if there is, I would love to hear it. Secret plans to take over the convention, blah blah blah... the only way you can do that is to WIN some states, even small less important ones.

That said, at least the ideas were presented, the network was laid out, we all found each other, etc. A LOT of good has come out of this campaign, especially if we can translate our movement into more congressional seats, and that needs to become our focus, and that needs to happen now. Ron back in congress with no allies gets us what we had before this all started.

<Channeling Claude Rains> I'm shocked, shocked!!! Shocked to find incompetence at campaign headquarters!!!

 

[Change]

It is easy to place blame, and as I look around, I say yuk to the other candidates. I agree about getting congressional seats, and keeping this base, etc. I disagree on Blaming our campaigning efforts or the candidate. You have to look at the envirnoment around you. As everyone talks of Global Warming, take into account the enviornment we are operating. Enough said, we all should be very, very proud of ourselves, and if anyone sees a candidate out there they want to support they should. I think one thing we all agree on is freedom. There is clearly the freedom to leave as well as the freedom to stay and roll up sleeves and fight. One thing is if you plan on staying, no more seeds of doubt, we can't, we can't, we can't. I for sure don't want to hear that shit, let's work of facts, not feelings.

 

[allyinoh]

I think he should issue an encouragement on his website. Keep up hope, don't stop, we're still in this, etc etc.

You guys, this is more than just about this election. This is our future, your children's future, we can't stop now just because we've hit a bump in the road.

Come on people, don't give up. Where would we be today if our Founding Fathers just turned over and stopped fighting?

 

[jason43]

Good point. He may be reading the forums right now trying to gage our reaction. If we all give up, then he throws in the towel also. But one might wonder what is the purpose of continuing on at this point. We cannot win the nomination but can we influence the platform or other candidates positions? Possibly.

And, at some point, the GOP will start kissing our butts looking for votes in the general. Since McCain openly admits he knows nothing about the economy, maybe he'd bring Ron in and let him run that part of the business. Stranger deals have been made.

The other people running, with the *very* remote possiblilty of Huckabee, want nothing to do with us. They live in the illusion that they can win by running just like Bush did, and they are surrounded by people who kiss their asses and tell them how great they are. The contempt that they have for us can be heard in that interview that Romney gave to Mark Larson, McCain is worse, a pure egomaniac. Huckabee is at least somewhat sympathetic to us in the IRS fight and I heard him say that we are not responsible to police the world... so who knows what he really thinks.

Listen here.

The GOP is so arrogant that they will only be interested in getting us back when Hilldog gets elected. I will not be voting for them and might even vote Democrat *chokes back vomit* just so that they learn their lesson. If I am going to get a big government Democrat either way, I'd rather get one that is going to end the war and spend my tax money on me.

 

[JeffSchulman]

I just read this book, "The Starfish and the Spider." It's a great analysis of centralized vs decentralized organizations. I've been supporting this campaign for 11 months now, and I really think that national needs to do a hell of a lot better with: A) focusing their efforts, B) Providing us with targets, and C) selling the message, even if it means breaking it down to 30 second sound bites. As much as I hate to say this, people in general have been conditioned by the system to accept the "range of acceptable argument" - and believe the *illusion* of choice that is spoon fed to them. We need a shiny spoon and some tasty morsels to slide down their gullets.

That's not to say that I don't believe that people aren't completely capable of making informed decisions, they do it all the time when they shop for TVs and cars [OK, maybe not mortgages] BUT are prone to be lazy, irresponsible, unresponsive, and apathetic IF they don't recognize the self benefits of what we have to offer.

People do what they perceive is in their own best interest.

 

[LEK]

end the war and spend my tax money on me.

That's what they say. What they do is an entirley different story. I am sorry but 99% of politicians lie to get a vote and then do just what they please in office. The last 8 years were perhaps the most egregious example .

Presidential candidate Ron Paul says he traces America's problems to the flawed monetary policy of the wealthy and secretive elite.

How right he is.

 

[Crickett]

For one thing, HQ has to see how many delegates we actually got, before making a statement. More than that, tho, the money has not come in like he asked for (ie 8.4 million by 2/5). This is not a good thing, and may give RP pause. He will not continue unless we do, and he has said it many times. Let them think and decide what to do. NO snap decisions. This is serious, not a game.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

no offense, but it's difficult to raise that money, especially when legislation was passed putting a cap on what you can donate!

 

[amonasro]

National has been a complete failure from the get go. If Ron himself hadn't done so well and went viral on the net, and we hadn't all jumped on it, nothing would have happened and Ron wouldn't have made it out of that first debate when the "Giuliani moment" happened. Very few people knew Ron before that.

Its time we were honest with ourselves, the offical campaign failed the movement... thats not to say that the movement is a failure, but the campaign could have done sooooo much more with the money and the volunteers. All the other campaigns would have killed to have the support that we have. That Ron has made less events in the last month than Hilldog had in Cali alone is inexcusable, given the fact that we probably have comperable money on hand. There is just no excuse, and if there is, I would love to hear it. Secret plans to take over the convention, blah blah blah... the only way you can do that is to WIN some states, even small less important ones.

That said, at least the ideas were presented, the network was laid out, we all found each other, etc. A LOT of good has come out of this campaign, especially if we can translate our movement into more congressional seats, and that needs to become our focus, and that needs to happen now. Ron back in congress with no allies gets us what we had before this all started.

Come on man! The campaign failed the movement? You honestly think a roomful of people in Virginia can run up against the military industrial complex, medical and media complex and come out victorious?? As admitted by Ron many times, the grassroots are the reason he is so popular. If you are blaming this on the campaign then you have no idea of what we're dealing with, or you are deluded as to what role the campaign is playing.

Try to put in in perspective as to the realities and costs of running a national Presidential campaign:

Remember the campaign only had $500k when the others were spending millions in early states. Look at the FEC numbers and see for yourself. We got a late start... a late start in building infrastructure, buying ad time, and starting a direct mail campaign. Not to mention millions in FREE media that went to the other candidates every day. We would have needed 100 million in MAY to compete with that.

It is easy to blame all the "defeat" on the campaign, when in reality there were many other factors in play from early on.

Just look at things from that point of view.

 

[animator]

I would guess that the reason they have to do an analysis before giving a statement is to figure out if there is still any chance of winning the nomination.

Right now it looks like there isn't. It looks like McCain has enough delegates to make a brokered convention unlikely. Even if there was a brokered convention, Dr. Paul has the smallest number of delegates and would still not likely win.

Huckabee even went back on his peoples promise of three delegates for helping him.

I would imagine Dr. Paul is quite sad and depressed right now and probably not ready to say anything to anyone.

 

[NOLA]

For one thing, HQ has to see how many delegates we actually got, before making a statement. More than that, tho, the money has not come in like he asked for (ie 8.4 million by 2/5). This is not a good thing, and may give RP pause. He will not continue unless we do, and he has said it many times. Let them think and decide what to do. NO snap decisions. This is serious, not a game.

Quit with the money excuse. First it was 5 million to win then 23 million then 8.4 million. If he had 100 million I am afraid that the result would have been the same. The campaign leadership was awful. Bodering on malpractice. They never translated their beliefs into tangible ideas. Yeha everyone of us was drwan into him because of the constitutio...BUT WHEN WAS HE GOING OT TRANSFER THOSE IDEAS into concrete plans...he tried at the end with the stimulus plan then went on a tangent about the frederal reserve again. Same thing wiht global warming.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

Campaign Results: Amateurs vs. Professionals!

end the war and spend my tax money on me.

That's what they say. What they do is an entirley different story. I am sorry but 99% of politicians lie to get a vote and then do just what they please in office. The last 8 years were perhaps the most egregious example .

Presidential candidate Ron Paul says he traces America's problems to the flawed monetary policy of the wealthy and secretive elite.

How right he is.

AMEN

I'm still trying to figure out where the HELL Mike Huckabee got all the bucks to Advertise Nationally, Repetitiously, & Extensively... over the past 2 weeks?

We have SMOKED Mike HUCKABEE in fund raising, yet I have NEVER seen a RON PAUL commercial...ever, let alone, on a Nationally televised channel.

So, that leads me to... What is this Ron Paul Campaign Management Clowns doing? Just shows you, friends are friends, but friends don't know how to run a Presidential Campaign. Campaign Results: Amateurs vs. Professionals

 

[StopTheNWO]

So we need to keep fighting through:

The ignorance of 90% of our population
The stubbornness of 90% of our population
Biased, elitist controlled Mass Media
Military-Industrial Complex
Corrupt government / special interest groups
Corrupt poll workers / vote counters
Massive electronic voter fraud

Why don't we seize a remote part of Canada and start our own country. It would actually be easier LOL.

And for all you "glass half-fullers" I'll keep supporting RP don't worry.