I hate to admit it but I have no clue what's up with Benghazi and Hillary

[ZENemy]

It's free advertisement and gets all eyes on her so she may play the victim, she is our next president.

 

[surf]

the effing republicans are such a pathetic bunch of idiots here. did anyone of those assclowns ask about CIA and running arms? did anyone ask why there is an embassy in some shit-town no one had ever heard of? did one of these bumblefucks express any concern over what the hell we were doing overthrowing Gadhafi?

fucking cowards.

I quizzed a couple of coworkers today - what's the capital of Libya? Benghazi?

 

[AngryCanadian]

This just goes to shows that there are others controlling DC. Its clear that a Group of NeoCons are behind this as they are on Syria...

 

[VIDEODROME]

Okay, if Hillary is responsible for Benghazi, is George W. Bush equally and personally responsible for the 9-11 Attack? Put him in the hot seat and interrogate him.

 

[timosman]

I believe Benghazi was a sex scandal of some type.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/stevens.asp

 

[phill4paul]

Okay, if Hillary is responsible for Benghazi, is George W. Bush equally and personally responsible for the 9-11 Attack? Put him in the hot seat and interrogate him.

I'm pretty sure he is not running for president. Correct me if I am wrong.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

the effing republicans are such a pathetic bunch of idiots here. did anyone of those assclowns ask about CIA and running arms? did anyone ask why there is an embassy in some shit-town no one had ever heard of?

Ah, but all those black op considerations run deeper than a good old left/right paradigm debate, and indicts both parties for their intervening ways. So of course that's all been agreed to be kept a closed session secret. Just like the fact that most of the US personnel who were successfully evacuated from the embassy were not members of the State Dept. So which part of the government were they working for? To figure it out, all you need is a little intelligence...

 

[JK/SEA]

this entire mess in Libya can be distilled down to the POLICY that was implemented by Obama, and Hilliary. Thats where the focus should be. The resulting 'troubles' that followed are a direct result of that incompetence, and apparently hilliary be rewarded with a nomination on the blood of Stevens, and his co-horts.

 

[jmdrake]

I usually feel pretty educated on the issues, but when I seek out info on this, I'll either find an hour long Sean Hannity rant about how people died but nothing substantial about what Hillary did. Liberal hosts say she did nothing wrong but they'd say that if there was a video of her shooting the ambassador in the head herself. Digging hasn't given me much info. Could someone summarize or point out a decent read, please?

What is her supposed crime, negligence, something nefarious, stupidity?

What hard evidence do they have to continue to investigate?

What are they looking for in the investigation?

What separates the death of these 4 men from all the thousands of other deaths in this recent War on Terra, including Afghanistan and Iraq?

Is this just a diversion from something bigger?

Thanks.

There is something bigger. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama teamed up with Al Qaeda to take out a leader that had made peace with the U.S. That's actually treason.

See: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-admits-his-fighters-have-al-Qaeda-links.html

With regards to Benghazi itself, the ambassador asked for military help for months before the attack. Hillary denied the request. Dumbass democrats say "Well republicans cut funding for embassy security." Then the mission should have been scrapped and the embassy closed!

Here is the complete Benghazi timeline.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog..._benghazi_timeline_in_spreadsheet_format.html

Important dates to remember:

3/28/2012 - The ambassador requests additional security.
4/6/2012 - IED thrown over wall by terrorists.
4/19/2012 - Clinton sent a signed letter to ambassador rejecting additional security and suggesting a "pared down plan".

At this point she should have pulled the ambassador and closed the embassy!

9/11/2012 - The attack happens 5 to 6 months after Clinton had ample notice that she should have either increased security or pulled the ambassador!

Note that the DOD had unmanned surveillance drones overhead. A couple of freaking predator drones could have turned the tide in favor of the Americans!

There is something else bigger. Why was the ambassador there? According to investigative report Seymour Hersh, ambassador Stevens was part of a "rat line" to secretly transfer weapons to Syrian jihadists intent on overthrowing Assad.

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line

Through this program terrorists have gotten their hands on surface to air missiles. Rand Paul pointed this out. The fake "truth" site Politicfact tried to call him a liar on this, but they had to admit this:

Though the evidence overwhelmingly is against Paul, one line in the U.N. report threw us a curveball: "Panel sources stated that thousands of MANPADS were still available in arsenals controlled by a wide array of non-state actors with tenuous or non-existent links to Libyan national authorities."

If thousands of MANPADS are still in the hands of "non-state actors," could that mean thousands are available to terrorists? Not likely, Binnie said. While Libya has some radical Islamic non-state actors, the county also has numerous local tribes and militias (who aren’t terrorists) that formed during the uprisings who likely stockpiled MANPADS.

Okay. So we should take comfort in the "fact" that these "non-state actors" have not formally been labelled terrorists? Spin on Politifact.

"While Ansar al-Sharia and other radical groups affiliated to the Islamic State are operating in Libya, they remain very much a minority," Binnie said.

Minority != impotent. Note this "minority" group managed to fly their Al Qaeda flag over the Benghazi courthouse.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...eda-flag-flown-above-Benghazi-courthouse.html

Keep spinning Politifact.

It’s also worth noting that there have been no documented instances of a shootdown using Libyan MANPADS since the 2011 conflict, said Karim Mezran, senior fellow at the Rafik Hariri Center for the Middle East.

"The Islamist groups have been bombed from the air daily in the last six months," Mezran said. "If they have thousands (of MANPADS) why haven't they used them so far?"

Umm....maybe because these terrorists don't want to bite the hand that feeds them? Keep spinning Politifact.

"The Islamist groups have been bombed from the air daily in the last six months," Mezran said. "If they have thousands (of MANPADS) why haven't they used them so far?"

Because the bombing was clearly ineffective? Because sometimes the planes flying overhead were dropping them re-supplies like food and ammunition? "Accidentally" of course.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...he-islamic-state-by-airdrop-militants-allege/
http://www.sott.net/article/291028-...id-to-ISIS-a-group-they-re-allegedly-fighting
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/13/us-syria-rebels-ammunition-airdrop-isis-assad-regime

On top of all of this, John "Madman" McCain is openly calling for giving surface to air missiles to jihadists to shoot down Russian aircraft.

http://www.infowars.com/mccain-arm-syrian-rebels-to-shoot-down-russian-planes/

So yes. There is something much bigger. And it's all tied to Benghazi.

 

[jmdrake]

the effing republicans are such a pathetic bunch of idiots here. did anyone of those assclowns ask about CIA and running arms? did anyone ask why there is an embassy in some shit-town no one had ever heard of? did one of these bumblefucks express any concern over what the hell we were doing overthrowing Gadhafi?

fucking cowards.

^This

I quizzed a couple of coworkers today - what's the capital of Libya? Benghazi?

LOL. That's the problem. Most Americans are clueless about anything but professional sports, movie/tv stars, and the music industry. Oh and I forgot "reality TV" though that fits under TV stars. Oh and there's videogames too. So many distractions.

 

[jmdrake]

Okay, if Hillary is responsible for Benghazi, is George W. Bush equally and personally responsible for the 9-11 Attack? Put him in the hot seat and interrogate him.

Donald Trump recently put georgie boy on the hot seat. While I don't want a president Trump, he might actually do a real investigation of 9/11.

 

[H. E. Panqui]

...all you have to know is that if the sec. of state had a stinking 'r' after their name instead of a 'd' the same stinking republicans now foaming at the mouth with accusations would be foaming at the mouth with apologies...and vice versa with the stinking democrats...

...stinking...republicrats...all...

 

[klamath]

Well the guy who was killed was against having security detail, or wanted it: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...leaded-extra-security-Libya-hours-killed.html
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/05/report-stevens-declined-security-091406

She is blamed for the attack in Benghazi. She should be blamed for setting Libya on fire and then spreading it to Syria, leaving death, chaos, and destruction along the way. Libya is her personal crowning achievement in nihilistic destruction of another country.

This is exactly what I mean about getting her on the wrong charges.

 

[jmdrake]

This is exactly what I mean about getting her on the wrong charges.[/B]

Yeah. Well in a lot of cases what gets em is the coverup. Sure, working to overthrow a government that had made peace with the U.S. and dealing with people linked to terrorists to do it is bad. But illegal? It should be. The courts would say "That's a political question" as in "Congress should impeach and remove Obama if they are really mad about it", which is impossible because the two thirds vote needed for removal are not there. So...go for the coverup, which is illegal whether Congress has the votes to impeach or not.

 

[Ronin Truth]

Hillary 1, CONgresscritters 0

 

[Lucille]

https://www.lewrockwell.com/political-theatre/rating-the-benghazi-show/

It’s actually the perfect Republican issue: pro-war, partisan, but never threatening the regime with a truth that might undermine its hold on people’s minds.

One truth the GOP won’t tell: the ambassador to Hillary-throttled Libya and his cohorts were government gun runners who tried to use their official positions for cover, in effect telling Islamist terrorists, hey, you can’t kill us! We’re diplomatically immune! The US operatives were buying weapons that had belonged to the late anti-Islamicist Gaddafi regime and shipping them, via Islamcist Turkey, to US-sponsored Islamicist terrorists in Syria, to destroy the anti-Islamicist Assad regime. A very dark business in imperial trouble-making that the GOP loves as much as the Dems.

 

[Lucille]

Hillary Clinton Knew All Along Benghazi Attack Had "Nothing To Do With The Film," Documents Reveal
What difference at this point does it make? If you value free speech, a lot.
https://reason.com/blog/2015/10/22/hillary-clinton-knew-benghazi-video

According to documents revealed as part of the ongoing Congressional hearings on Benghazi, then-U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told then-Egyptian Prime Minister Hisham Kandil in a phone call the day after the attack on the U.S. consulate, "We know that the attack in Libya had nothing to do with the film. It was a planned attack—not a protest."

The film Clinton refers to is the 10 minute Youtube trailer for the ultra-low budget anti-Islam movie "Innocence of Muslims," which she and other senior Obama administration officials, including President Obama himself, almost immediately began casting as a scapegoat for the attacks. Those attacks, however, were already understood by senior administration officials to be a planned and coordinated attack, and very much not what then-ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice called a "a spontaneous reaction to a video."
[...]
Not only did senior administration officials persist in framing the attack as a protest sparked by the video for days after, one of its first moves upon hearing that Ambassador Chris Stevens had been murdered was to contact Youtube and ask them "to review the video to see if it was in compliance with their terms of use."

My colleague Matt Welch wrote up this helpful and infuriating roundup of the administration officials and distinguished members of the intelligentsia who advocated for everything from imprisonment for the filmmaker (who would be imprisoned for a parole violation committed when he uploaded the video) to calls for "free speech to yield to other values."

 

[Uriel999]

"She didn't answer the 3 A.M. phone call." - Rand Paul

Does anyone truly believe that no forces were available to counter-strike this attack? In a region where we rule the skies with drones. Does anyone believe that calls from the division head for increased security went unanswered? Does anyone still believe that the situation was caused by a video? That's the official White House version. Or do others even remember that?

We had forces available. My unit was on a ship off the coast. We were stood up to go in, frog uniforms on, gear staged, ammo was issued, guns where in hand. We where ready to go, but got stood down.

 

[klamath]

We had forces available. My unit was on a ship off the coast. We were stood up to go in, frog uniforms on, gear staged, ammo was issued, guns where in hand. We where ready to go, but got stood down.

Interesting. Did you have the aviation assets to deploy to the embassy? I hear liberals say there were no assets within striking distance and I have been real skeptical of that.

 

[Uriel999]

Interesting. Did you have the aviation assets to deploy to the embassy? I hear liberals say there were no assets within striking distance and I have been real skeptical of that.

Yes, we would have flown in on CH-53 helicopters. I believe we had 3 on the deck of our ship at that time.

We had the resources. There was military politics at play as well because we didn't fall under Africom but rather centcom and didn't want to give us up. It was stupid though, we should have gone in, we were there!