I don't get the comparison between Pat Buchanan and Donald Trump

[Ronin Truth]

They are both populist nationalists.

 

[nobody's_hero]

I get the comparison.

Trump is deliberately running on a Pat Buchanan and Ross Perot platform of complete economic illiteracy. It is a calculated move, because that group makes up a significant part of the population.

And I think Trump's instincts align with Buchanan very well. Trump isn't a culture warrior. But at heart, they are both anti-capitalist, agrarian populists.

Economic illiteracy?

NAFTA sucked. They called it right.

 

[invisible]

Don't make it more complicated than it is.

A vote for Buchanan was a FU to the establishment, a vote for Trump (and, debatably Sanders also) is a FU to the establishment.

It's all about the FU. Policies don't matter, character doesn't matter, honesty doesn't matter. None of that matters. They are just vessels for the overwhelming amount of FU in the electorate that's been suppressed by charade politics.

Thank you for proving my point, yet again. I wish you the best of luck in getting your candidate elected.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

Pat has endorsed Trump it seems:

Pat Buchanan Says Donald Trump is the Future of the Republican Party
buchanan.org/blog/124610-124610Pat Buchanan
Jan 14, 2016

Pat Buchanan to GOP: Support Trump Now or Lose to Hillary
Newsmax Media
Dec 10, 2015 - Veteran conservative voice Patrick Buchanan issued a stern warning to the Republican Party on Thursday: Throw your weight behind GOP ...

 

[juleswin]

After listening to Pat Buchanan's culture war speech, Trump said this about him

February 19, 2000, op-ed for The New York Times: ‘Not company I wish to keep.’

TRUMP: Although I am totally comfortable with the people in the New York Independence Party, I leave the Reform Party to David Duke, Pat Buchanan and Lenora Fulani. That is not company I wish to keep.

February 14, 2000, interview with NBC on a rumored presidential run with the Reform Party: ‘A bigot, a racist, a problem’

TRUMP: Well, you’ve got David Duke just joined – a bigot, a racist, a problem. I mean, this is not exactly the people you want in your party. Buchanan’s a disaster, as we’ve, you know, covered. Jesse’s (as in Ventura the guy that now also supports Sanders) a terrific guy who just left the party. And he, you know, it’s unfortunate, but he just left the party. He’s going to be doing his Independence Party from Minnesota. And he’s a terrific guy and a terrific governor, and he’s got a great future. And I’ve always said, Matt, that I would run if I thought I could win, and in order to win…

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/donald-trumps-history-talking-about-david-duke-and-white-supremacists

Also you have this about Trump and the reform party

How Roger Stone and Donald Trump destroyed George W. Bush’s potential rivals in 2000 is less well known. That year, George W. Bush faced two known threats, and Roger Stone was tasked with neutralizing them: Pat Buchanan, whose 1992 run nearly crippled Bush’s father in the primaries; and Ross Perot’s Reform Party, which drained enough votes in ’92 and ’96 to ensure Clinton victories.

So in the lead-up to the 2000 election, Roger Stone cleverly cajoled Pat Buchanan into taking control of Perot’s Reform Party, then used his friend Donald Trump to run a rival campaign against Buchanan for the Reform Party candidacy—only to drop out of the race, and attack Buchanan’s Reform Party as a cesspool full of Hitler lovers and racists. Stone inserted moles like William Von Raab, secretly funded by Trump, into Buchanan’s campaign, according to the Village Voice.

The operation wound up destroying the Reform Party’s brand and burying it for good, stinking it up too much for a late entry by Ross Perot. The Reform Party’s chairman, Pat Choate, called the “Trump/Stone operation” a “Republican dirty trick” meant to “disgust people and drive them away from the Reform Party. They were doing everything in their power to make a mess.”

The point, however, is that it worked: The Reform Party and Pat Buchanan caused no damage whatsoever to George W. Bush’s election bid in 2000, unlike Ralph Nader’s effect on Al Gore’s run.

There's more to this story, including the fact that Ross Perot turned his back on Pat over Israel and sought to destroy him. But this is part of what happened in 2000.

Even the most optimistic view of Trump pales behind what Pat Buchanan could have done in a fair fight.

http://www.philstockworld.com/2015/08/13/behind-the-scenes-of-the-donald-trump-roger-stone-show/

More on the story:
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/the-sex-scandal-that-put-bush-in-the-white-house-6407173

and:

http://www.independentpoliticalrepo...trump-embrace-recalls-2000-reform-party-race/

I truly think Pat and David Duke are just desperate human beings who have been traumatized over the years by the establishment party, trauma not unlike what you see with someone suffering from battered wife syndrome. We know Trump doesn't like Pat or David, he wouldn't use the toilet in their houses if he was having uncontrollable diarrhea but for reason those two sad men are grovelling and worshiping the feet this man walks on. Sad to see those two men reduced to this position.

 

[Origanalist]

After listening to Pat Buchanan's culture war speech, Trump said this about him



http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/donald-trumps-history-talking-about-david-duke-and-white-supremacists

Also you have this about Trump and the reform party



I truly think Pat and David Duke are just desperate human beings who have been traumatized over the years by the establishment party, trauma not unlike what you see with someone suffering from battered wife syndrome. We know Trump doesn't like Pat or David, he wouldn't use the toilet in their houses if he was having uncontrollable diarrhea but for reason those two sad men are grovelling and worshiping the feet this man walks on. Sad to see those two men reduced to this position.

Ouch, but at this point what difference does it make? Amirite?

 

[kahless]

So in the lead-up to the 2000 election, Roger Stone cleverly cajoled Pat Buchanan into taking control of Perot’s Reform Party, then used his friend Donald Trump to run a rival campaign against Buchanan for the Reform Party candidacy—only to drop out of the race, and attack Buchanan’s Reform Party as a cesspool full of Hitler lovers and racists. Stone inserted moles like William Von Raab, secretly funded by Trump, into Buchanan’s campaign, according to the Village Voice.

The operation wound up destroying the Reform Party’s brand and burying it for good, stinking it up too much for a late entry by Ross Perot. The Reform Party’s chairman, Pat Choate, called the “Trump/Stone operation” a “Republican dirty trick” meant to “disgust people and drive them away from the Reform Party. They were doing everything in their power to make a mess.”

The point, however, is that it worked: The Reform Party and Pat Buchanan caused no damage whatsoever to George W. Bush’s election bid in 2000, unlike Ralph Nader’s effect on Al Gore’s run.

I hated Trump for that and vowed never to forgive or vote for him. Early on I even refused to go with family and friends to his casino's because of it.

That is how bad it is that I am willing to vote for Trump to stop Hillary.

 

[juleswin]

Ouch, but at this point what difference does it make? Amirite?

Yup, evidence that Trump is a snake is just a side issue now at this moment. Its all about destroying the anti establishment movement's threat to the establishment the way Trump destroyed the reform party as a threat to the GOP establishment. By the time hes done, anti establishment would be seen as an insult.

And sorry Kahless, Hillary will win the presidency and you voting for Trump will do nothing to prevent that.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

We know Trump doesn't like Pat or David, he wouldn't use the toilet in their houses if he was having uncontrollable diarrhea but for reason those two sad men are grovelling and worshiping the feet this man walks on. Sad to see those two men reduced to this position.

Politics makes strange bedfellows.
The reason, they have a common "enemy" in 2016:

 

[juleswin]

Politics makes strange bedfellows.
The reason, they have a common "enemy" in 2016:

Strange bedfellows indeed. Obama, Trump and Clinton are in one team but Buchanan and David are trying to join that team with only Trump but we can see that Trump doesn't want any part of it. He despises these people, he thinks there are racists, bigots and a disaster.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

This article by Rod Dreher is a pretty good description of why Trump is succeeding:

What if the people who respond to Donald Trump’s appeal are so absolutely invisible to the Republican establishment that they cannot even be analyzed? And not only to the Republican establishment, but to the kind of conservatives who are basically satisfied with the Republican Party and what it stands for?

I have lots of Republican friends, but I don’t know that I have more than one or two for Trump, or who admit to being for Trump. Remember the famous line attributed to New Yorker movie critic Pauline Kael? “How did Nixon win? I don’t know a single person who voted for him.” That. It’s pretty clear that not only the Republican Party leadership, but a whole bunch of GOP regulars, are Pauline Kael Republicans.

The Republican Party as we know it is not going to survive this year, and in fact is already dead. If Trump gets the most delegates and is denied the nomination somehow, that’ll tear the party apart. If Trump gets the nomination, it’s going to tear the party apart. If Trump gets the nomination and wins the presidency, it’s going to tear the party apart.

I don’t see how it goes back now to what it was. Nobody saw this coming, because the Trump voters were invisible to a whole lot of us (me included), for whom America works...

[Here's] why these voters aren’t buying what Cruz and Rubio are selling. The white working class (in particular), having realized that the Republican Party’s leadership doesn’t care about it, is returning the favor. It took somebody rich enough to not have to depend on GOP donors or GOP networks to articulate their rage. They’re not Democrats because they know that however hostile Republican elites are to their interests, the Democrats are worse.

None of this is sufficient reason to justify a Trump vote. But understanding what’s happening, and understanding that it is not happening because Trump people are all a pack of crazy haters, is essential to figuring out how to put together whatever kind of Republican Party is going to emerge from the ruins.

It’s going to be very difficult for Republican elites to see the future when they cannot even bring themselves to see the present clearly.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/gop-rip/

 

[rg17]

A lot of people compare the two campaigns because of their populist nature and emphasis on immigration. But that's where the similarities seem to end.

-Buchanan's immigration position hasn't changed over the years.
-Buchanan is pro-life, Trump is pro-choice.
-Buchanan doesn't support the expansion of government.
-Buchanan is non-interventionist, Trump is a hawk.
-Buchanan is honest, Trump is dishonest.
-Buchanan's writings are at a much higher reading level than Trump's speeches.
-Buchanan cares about the Constitution, while Trump does not.
-Trump is very likely Clinton plant to make sure Hillary wins the election.
-Trump is the 2016 version of Obama 2008.


Also, from observation, people I know who like Pat Buchanan are generally well-informed, while Trump supporters tend to be swayed by emotional arguments.

While Buchanan is no libertarian, he would easily get my vote against someone like Clinton, because he would represent a step in the right direction. Trump, on the other hand, is an authoritarian demagogue who may very well move things even further in the wrong direction.

Completely agree! FTFY

 

[Joeinmo]

A lot of people compare the two campaigns because of their populist nature and emphasis on immigration. But that's where the similarities seem to end.

-Buchanan's immigration position hasn't changed over the years.
-Buchanan is pro-life, Trump is pro-choice.
-Buchanan doesn't support the expansion of government.
-Buchanan is non-interventionist, Trump is a hawk.
-Buchanan is honest, Trump is dishonest.
-Buchanan's writings are at a much higher reading level than Trump's speeches.

Also, from observation, people I know who like Pat Buchanan are generally well-informed, while Trump supporters tend to be swayed by emotional arguments.

While Buchanan is no libertarian, he would easily get my vote against someone like Clinton, because he would represent a step in the right direction. Trump, on the other hand, is an authoritarian demagogue who may very well move things even further in the wrong direction.

I campaigned for Pat Buchanan in 1992, 96 and 2000, sure Pat is a pro lifer, honest etc., but where the two are similar is in their Nationalism...they are both against managed trade like Nafta and MFN for China, against illegal immigration, and globalism in general...also Trump is not a hawk more anti-war, however Trump is against terrorism when it comes to ISIS and if you read Pat Buchanan stuff, he also would hit ISIS...Trump is a showboat when it comes to terrorism ...he knows the GOP uses the issue as a wedge to stop people like Rand..when of course it's all BS

 

[Tywysog Cymru]

I would think Buchanan himself would be the one most qualified to answer this, and he is supporting Trump.

Ron Paul supported Cruz for Senate. Doesn't mean Ted Cruz=Ron Paul.

They are closer than what you think considering Buchanan in his writings is defending Trump.

Trump sometimes talks like Buchanan on foreign policy, and then he calls for carpet-bombing the Middle East.

If 1996 Pat Buchanan was running, he'd be at 60% nationally. Pat was a great orator that infused you with his energy. Trump is sloppy and doesn't even put the necessary time in to adequately prosecute his case against these hyenas.

No, Buchanan doesn't have the reality TV star qualities that make Trump popular. I also highly doubt Buchanan would be winning the GOP primary in Massachusetts of all places.

 

[misterx]

Trump sometimes talks like Buchanan on foreign policy, and then he calls for carpet-bombing the Middle East.

Cruz is the one who called for carpet bombing.

 

[juleswin]

Cruz is the one who called for carpet bombing.

And Trump called for nuking countries. I guess if I had to choose between to evils, I'll choose carpet bombing or dropping nukes.

 

[misterx]

And Trump called for nuking countries. I guess if I had to choose between to evils, I'll choose carpet bombing or dropping nukes.

Come on now, do you really think we are going to have more war if Trump is president than any of the others? The man who said "Bush lied!" right in front of all the Bush loving donors.

 

[juleswin]

Come on now, do you really think we are going to have more war if Trump is president than any of the others? The man who said "Bush lied!" right in front of all the Bush loving donors.

Not more but about the same as we had during Bush and Obama's term. I think the man is a Israeli pawn and I believe he would fight all the wars they instruct him to fight.

Trump's Israeli connections




Listen how he switches dancing Israelis with dancing arabs and Alex Jonestown said nothing

In conclusion, he would behave just like the other presidents

 

[misterx]

Have we ever had someone this close to the nomination who gives a guy like Alex Jones legitimacy?

 

[kahless]

Now going as far as to say Cruz's positions on foreign policy such as "carpet bombing" are Trump's positions.

There is plenty you can hit Trump on but by continuing to lie and distort the facts some people here continue to make fools of themselves in their attacks on Trump and are losing all credibility.