I am disappointed. The OFFICIAL thread.

[JoshS]

Reagan sadly did not govern as many of us would have wished he did, (some might say that bullet he took was a big part of it) but when you look at what Reagan stood for and read his speeches from the 68, 76 and 80 primaries most of what he spoke on was very similar to the positions of Paul. That is why Paul endorsed him.

So both Goldwater and Reagan did do what Paul has been unable to do - win. We need someone who is principled and has the ability to win. That is the work that we in this wing of the party will be doing for the next 3 years.

Reagan won because he was a great corporatist schill who could give a good speech. He was like Obama.

 

[Endthefednow]

let`s all take a breather and listen to this one from the beatles

 

[tbone717]

Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I believe that the GOP has stolen more than one caucus/primary from our man. Surely the strength of the Paul movement will be meted out in the general election....Lest why all the angst among the Establishment about his possible third party run?

Well a third party Run by Paul himself would draw some attention and could get 5-10% of the general election vote. But that would require him running as an Independent, raising money, campaigning, running TV ads, getting in the debates, getting on all 50 state ballots, etc. I for one don't have the energy or enthusiasm for something like that and I doubt most of us do. Let's be realistic here, it was hard enough for Paul to get himself up to Maine for the contest that supposedly was a must win. Do you really think we will see him flying all over the country, living out of a suitcase and eating on the run for multiple months running a campaign that at best gets 10% of the vote? I doubt it.

But the Paul faction voting for a third party candidate like the LP or CP nominee or writing in Paul probably won't amount to all that much, judging from the numbers I posted.

 

[tbone717]

Reagan won because he was a great corporatist schill who could give a good speech. He was like Obama.

You sound just like a liberal, because that is the talking points they use. I am guessing you were not alive in 1976 and saw his speech at the convention on TV, or saw his campaign throughout 1980 where he was able to articulate conservative principles is a way that made sense to average Americans?

So do you think that Ron Paul endorsed a man who was a corporatist schill? What would that say about Paul then?

 

[Revolution9]

I am physically sick right now. I was hoping for Iowa....Minnesota or Maine....Maine especially...our greatest chance. But nope...I need to vomit I think.

It's them granola bars Life is tough. I just watched Ron's speech to Maine. Great stuff. Makes me want to come back here and kick all the FUD hucksters virtual pieholes in. The GR is a growing superorganism. We got 36% in Maine. That was even with gambits being played on us. Watch Ron's speech. This man walk's with grace. He moves amongst evil men unscathed. He knows their tricks but does not let it get to him. He remains humble whilst taking down the largest criminal enterprise in the history of man by recruiting his posse, who recruit more to the cause, who do the same to add to the power of the superorganism white blood cells that can surround and kill the virus doing as little damage to the host ..the entire world.. as possible.

This is a battle fought in the minds. They have their assets..the MSM, unlimited cash, well oiled propaganda..we have our...word of mouth, boots on the ground, raw unbridled enthusiasm along with all the benefits of the interconnectivity of the internet. You have let them strike a blow on the field of the battleground..your mind. You may feel it internally but the moment that you externalize it they have completed the hit. You must practice mental hygeine against their tactics. Then you can become an attacker white cell that brokers no deals with viral memes and just envelops them and dissolves their membranes spilling their contents to become a puddle of useless toxin to be expelled with impunity.

Chin up. Eyes forward..feet planted in the moment. No FUD. It is proof their tactics are incubating.

Rev9

 

[misterx]

I was hoping to pull out the victory, but realistically 36 is better than I expected. So although I am disappointed we didn't get first, I can't help being pleased with the results. If we performed this well in every state we would've won a couple already.

 

[JoshS]

You sound just like a liberal, because that is the talking points they use. I am guessing you were not alive in 1976 and saw his speech at the convention on TV, or saw his campaign throughout 1980 where he was able to articulate conservative principles is a way that made sense to average Americans?

I'm guessing you missed his presidency and the effects of it. Like I said, good speeches, like Obama. Don't really care if that's a liberal talking point, Ron criticizes almost everything Reagan did as president as well, is he a liberal now?

 

[V3n]

Not the result we wanted, but it shows us how hard we've got to work.

Maybe this isn't the year we put a 'Paul' in the Whitehouse. So what?

Does that mean that the campaign should stop?
We should quit donating? Quit volunteering? Quit calling?
Ron Paul should drop out because he's never going to come in first?

HELL NO!

Double-down! We've got a country to shape! This was never going to happen over-night! You see what we're up against! Our children are depending on US!

 

[69360]

Well a third party Run by Paul himself would draw some attention and could get 5-10% of the general election vote. But that would require him running as an Independent, raising money, campaigning, running TV ads, getting in the debates, getting on all 50 state ballots, etc. I for one don't have the energy or enthusiasm for something like that and I doubt most of us do. Let's be realistic here, it was hard enough for Paul to get himself up to Maine for the contest that supposedly was a must win. Do you really think we will see him flying all over the country, living out of a suitcase and eating on the run for multiple months running a campaign that at best gets 10% of the vote? I doubt it.

But the Paul faction voting for a third party candidate like the LP or CP nominee or writing in Paul probably won't amount to all that much, judging from the numbers I posted.

I just want him to get ballot access, poll well enough to get in the debates and maybe make a few speeches here and there as a 3rd party candidate. I don't see a need to do a retail politics campaign for a non-winnable race. I want him to do it in the hope that it will give the country a viable growing 3rd party option.

 

[tbone717]

I'm guessing you missed his presidency and the effects of it. Like I said, good speeches, like Obama.

No I lived through it. As I stated before Reagan did not govern as we all would have hoped. My intital post where I mentioned the success of Reagan was in reference to his leadership of the libertarian/conseravtive wing of the party from 1968 through his victory in 1980. That is why I said "the success of Goldwater led to the success of Reagan" Goldwater won the nomination in 1964 which opened the door for Reagan's rise to prominence. Paul's success will lead to someone else who will be the standard bearer for this wing of the party as we move forward.

 

[tbone717]

I just want him to get ballot access, poll well enough to get in the debates and maybe make a few speeches here and there as a 3rd party candidate. I don't see a need to do a retail politics campaign for a non-winnable race. I want him to do it in the hope that it will give the country a viable growing 3rd party option.

Yeah I know how you feel. Honestly though the only way I see a third party emerging is if there is a large scale break from the GOP. History has shown us that one man starting a party doesn't amount to much. Remember Perot's Reform Party? I think their last Presidential Candidate got somewhere around 650 votes in 08.

 

[sunsense]

Call it actually what it is 'VOTER FRAUD'.

And keep repeating it with the facts, far and wide.

 

[wgadget]

Yeah I know how you feel. Honestly though the only way I see a third party emerging is if there is a large scale break from the GOP. History has shown us that one man starting a party doesn't amount to much. Remember Perot's Reform Party? I think their last Presidential Candidate got somewhere around 650 votes in 08.

I'm thinking Ron's got PLENTY of material to make one hella GOP IS CORRUPT commercial.

 

[yeshuaisiam]

Well I gave up long ago on the hopes of Ron being president. Good thing his son is wonderful for next time. All we can do now is try to get liberty believing people into congress & senate & state govts. The media will blackout any liberty loving president who is not the elite's puppet. There is a conspiracy and I don't care what anybody things. The blackout proves it.

 

[tbone717]

I'm thinking Ron's got PLENTY of material to make one hella GOP IS CORRUPT commercial.

Oh I agree. But does he have enough pull to get a group of Senators, Congressmen, and State Officials to jump ship with him? If so, I am on board for it.

 

[Lethalmiko]

No surprises for me. Ron Paul and the campaign team insanely continue doing the same things and expecting different results (as Albert Einstein said). As usual, some will try to spin this as a win. I wonder how long before everyone comes back to earth. Time for RP to bring in professional campaign staff and change course. Time for everyone to stop making excuses for not winning.

 

[kusok]

No surprises for me. Ron Paul and the campaign team insanely continue doing the same things and expecting different results (as Albert Einstein said). As usual, some will try to spin this as a win. I wonder how long before everyone comes back to earth. Time for RP to bring in professional campaign staff and change course. Time for everyone to stop making excuses for not winning.

What would professionals do differently? Give a specific example or a few please (srs)

 

[JoshS]

What would professionals do differently? Give a specific example or a few please (srs)

Campaign in winnable states before a vote.

 

[tbone717]

Campaign in winnable states before a vote.

THIS

See we don't disagree on everything Josh.

 

[ironj221]

If Ron Paul won, we would have seen threads on here like "GOP killed Whitney Houston to divert attention"