I am disappointed. The OFFICIAL thread.

[tbone717]

No one's going to create the enthusiasm Ron Paul did. I'm not sure if that's even debatable. Ron has the predictions, the economic prowess, the youtube vids, the voting record, the written literature, the best selling books, etc. He was the one who did actually cure voter apathy. No one comes close and no one will.

Actually, someone will emerge that will create more enthusiasm than Paul. Now he may not be 100% lined up with Paul's positions and while that might cause angst in some of the people in this movement that are only here because of Ron Paul, it will be perfectly fine for those of us who have been part of the libertarian wing of the party long before Paul emerged on the scene. The success of Goldwater led to the success of Reagan. The success of Paul (as marginal as it is) will lead to the success (and hopefully victory) of our next standard bearer.

Some folks need to remember that this movement is not about Ron Paul, it is a movement that has existed in the GOP for nearly 100 years and will continue to move forward with or without Paul at the helm of it all.

 

[JoshS]

Actually, someone will emerge that will create more enthusiasm than Paul. Now he may not be 100% lined up with Paul's positions and while that might cause angst in some of the people in this movement that are only here because of Ron Paul, it will be perfectly fine for those of us who have been part of the libertarian wing of the party long before Paul emerged on the scene. The success of Goldwater led to the success of Reagan. The success of Paul (as marginal as it is) will lead to the success (and hopefully victory) of our next standard bearer.

Some folks need to remember that this movement is not about Ron Paul, it is a movement that has existed in the GOP for nearly 100 years and will continue to move forward with or without Paul at the helm of it all.

Stopped reading at 'The Success of Reagan' ...lmao

That's exactly what I meant by there's not another Ron Paul. Reagan was horrible.

 

[angelatc]

My hubby just pointed out that when Rand wasn't doing as well as he wanted, he made changes in his campaign staff.

 

[Adam West]

I wanted to wipe the smirk off O'Reilly's face...

 

[PaulConventionWV]

There is a sense of fatalism around these boards that comes up after each caucus/primary, and it follows bad logic:

1. media hates rp
2. to get around that you have to campaign
3. it doesn't matter because the media hates rp and voters are dumb
4. it's 'hopeless' because there's a conspiracy and it's all rigged etc
5. if only the american public understood the truth
6. back to point 1.

kind of sets yourself as a supporter up for false defeat, no?

We know RP is right in platform and message. But being right doesn't entitle us to expect automatic victory

All the fatalists here forget that with the huge disadvantage the media gives to RP, you must find other ways to get around it. And even then, sometimes it might not be enough with the sneaky tricks the state party line could pull during caucuses (which aren't 'fixed' btw; such an argument is pointless and does nothing good for the grassroots).

Even then, I do agree that the campaign hasn't been the most effective. Santorum has even less organization than Paul but yet he knows how to campaign. And his 'message' is as outside the mainstream as the media falsely believe Paul's is. Frothy doesn't need the media bias even though it helps him. He does well without it. Paul's campaign has too, but has fallen behind by poor decision making from his handlers. He doesn't campaign like frothy, but he easily could.

'Fixed' is a strong word, but the establishment definitely won't let Ron Paul win, no matter what the vote totals really are. That much is evident. They appease us by giving us a close second, but they will never let us win. Did you ever wonder why the states where Ron Paul was supposed to do well, he somehow lost ground in right before the caucuses? Frothy's surge in Iowa was media-created, and then the vote totals are manufactured to reflect reasonable expectations based on the media-created polling numbers.

 

[foxtrotterz]

However morbid this may sound, Whitney Houston's death will dominate the airwaves the next few days and few will know that anything even happened in Maine this weekend.

 

[Cortes]

Stopped reading at 'The Success of Reagan' ...lmao

That's exactly what I meant by there's not another Ron Paul. Reagan was horrible.

Reagan was phony at lots of things, sure, but he was a success with rhetoric. Had there never been Reagan's 'revolution' this country would have turned into France long ago. We wouldn't even have anybody bothering to pretend they support limited government and markets. If you think it's bad now, I can't even imagine how things would look had there never been a Goldwater to influence voters.

 

[angelatc]

I wanted to wipe the smirk off O'Reilly's face...

I had to admit it, but "smirk" is really high up on the list of reason's I could never vote for Romney. He always seems to be smirking at the person he's debating with. If he gets the nod, the general is going to be unbearable. Snob vs Snob.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Stopped reading at 'The Success of Reagan' ...lmao

That's exactly what I meant by there's not another Ron Paul. Reagan was horrible.

Kennedy was much better than Reagan. That's why he was assassinated.

 

[NYgs23]

I had to admit it, but "smirk" is really high up on the list of reason's I could never vote for Romney. He always seems to be smirking at the person he's debating with. If he gets the nod, the general is going to be unbearable. Snob vs Snob.

Why torture yourself by paying any attention to it?

 

[tbone717]

In a three-way race, didn't Ron have 18%? And I may be wrong, but wouldn't as little as 5-10% of the vote affect the election?

In a hypothetical poll he did, 11 months before the general election. That really doesn't tell you much does it? 5-10% would have an effect in battleground states, but there is nothing to suggest that our numbers are that large. Generally, and this is pretty much historically accurate, the people that do not participate in the primary process will vote for their party's nominee regardless of whom it is. So maybe in states like FL, OH, etc the Paul faction might have an impact, but a lot of that is dependent upon Obama's popularity going into the election. If he is Jimmy Carter-like then a couple percent of us not voting for the GOP nominee really shouldn't have much effect.

My point of this all though, is that we have some on here boasting as if we are some huge force to be reckoned with - if we truly were, then we would have won something by now. We can't hold the GOP hostage and expect them to take us seriously when we cannot amass enough organization and support to win a contest. My concern for this is that having our faction act like a bunch of sore losers will hurt us going into the 2014 mid terms and 2016. Personally, I think it is best to just keep our mouths shut, vote for whomever we choose to in the general and let the chips fall where they may.

As it stands now, I am focused on the next step. This election for me is done. Sad to say, as I thought this was a golden opportunity, but I feel that opportunity was squandered in many ways, but I'll keep my mouth shut on that for now.

 

[tbone717]

Stopped reading at 'The Success of Reagan' ...lmao

That's exactly what I meant by there's not another Ron Paul. Reagan was horrible.

Reagan sadly did not govern as many of us would have wished he did, (some might say that bullet he took was a big part of it) but when you look at what Reagan stood for and read his speeches from the 68, 76 and 80 primaries most of what he spoke on was very similar to the positions of Paul. That is why Paul endorsed him.

So both Goldwater and Reagan did do what Paul has been unable to do - win. We need someone who is principled and has the ability to win. That is the work that we in this wing of the party will be doing for the next 3 years.

 

[angelatc]

Why torture yourself by paying any attention to it?

Heh. Only when Ron Paul is sharing the stage.

 

[Revolution9]

Reported for flaming.

Hahahaha!~.. Alot of good that is gonna do ya. I smack concern trolls around here all day and half the night. It's a dirty job but someone has got to do it. LE is the good cop to my bad cop. There are some promising new Jedi's around and a few newbies that are deputized, but if your FUD clownage think yer just gonna steamroll this forum with your whining and pampers tossing, spattering FUD droolings every second thread, coming into positive threads and dumping your loads of miasma into it to derail it, well, someone is gonna have to take the wind out of your sails. Get too griped out and sailingaway will send you on your way.

Word up. If ya wanna neg rep me again and have it stick, make a comment. I only get a grey bar when you just click . Now get your face out of the dirt where you planted it with your BS and either get on the train or have the door hit you in the ass on yer way out.

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[tsetsefly]

I have to say, im gutted, I really treid not to get my hopes up, but I am incredibly dissapointed. I will still donate, still support but right now im fucking pissed... I dont buy into conspiracy theories etc. but I have to think the Maine GOP certianly played a big part in today's outcome this is just gross...

We are fighting a fucking war machine, but I think we are winning regardless of how the elections turn out, the war monguering neocons are on the way out and they know it...

 

[nasonex]

The fact is that we need to realize unless we start winning states NOW we are going to LOSE THE NOMINATION.

The whole "only delegates count" is a total lie.

First, to win the nomination we need more delegates than anyone else. To do this we need to win states!

Second, we need momentum. We have lost momentum ever since Ames. We have not won a single state!

Third, we need to break the barrier that "Ron Paul can't win."

Fourth, we need to be raising more money with money bombs, not less.

 

[nasonex]

Also, remember that if we don't win the nomination none of this matters. Liberty will not be advanced one inch if we don't win the nomination. Obama or a neocon will become president, and in four years we will be a total police state

 

[tbone717]

The fact is that we need to realize unless we start winning states NOW we are going to LOSE THE NOMINATION.

The whole "only delegates count" is a total lie.

First, to win the nomination we need more delegates than anyone else. To do this we need to win states!

Second, we need momentum. We have lost momentum ever since Ames. We have not won a single state!

Third, we need to break the barrier that "Ron Paul can't win."

Fourth, we need to be raising more money with money bombs, not less.

My personal analysis as of right now would say that Paul would need to win Washington on the 3rd and then at least 3 of the 10 Super Tuesday contests in order to insert himself back into the narrative of this race, and I feel that one of those wins will need to be in a primary state.

 

[wgadget]

In a hypothetical poll he did, 11 months before the general election. That really doesn't tell you much does it? 5-10% would have an effect in battleground states, but there is nothing to suggest that our numbers are that large. Generally, and this is pretty much historically accurate, the people that do not participate in the primary process will vote for their party's nominee regardless of whom it is. So maybe in states like FL, OH, etc the Paul faction might have an impact, but a lot of that is dependent upon Obama's popularity going into the election. If he is Jimmy Carter-like then a couple percent of us not voting for the GOP nominee really shouldn't have much effect.

My point of this all though, is that we have some on here boasting as if we are some huge force to be reckoned with - if we truly were, then we would have won something by now. We can't hold the GOP hostage and expect them to take us seriously when we cannot amass enough organization and support to win a contest. My concern for this is that having our faction act like a bunch of sore losers will hurt us going into the 2014 mid terms and 2016. Personally, I think it is best to just keep our mouths shut, vote for whomever we choose to in the general and let the chips fall where they may.

As it stands now, I am focused on the next step. This election for me is done. Sad to say, as I thought this was a golden opportunity, but I feel that opportunity was squandered in many ways, but I'll keep my mouth shut on that for now.

Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I believe that the GOP has stolen more than one caucus/primary from our man. Surely the strength of the Paul movement will be meted out in the general election....Lest why all the angst among the Establishment about his possible third party run?

 

[wgadget]

The fact is that we need to realize unless we start winning states NOW we are going to LOSE THE NOMINATION.

The whole "only delegates count" is a total lie.

First, to win the nomination we need more delegates than anyone else. To do this we need to win states!

Second, we need momentum. We have lost momentum ever since Ames. We have not won a single state!

Third, we need to break the barrier that "Ron Paul can't win."

Fourth, we need to be raising more money with money bombs, not less.

I remember you from previous trolling sessions.