I am disappointed. The OFFICIAL thread.

[JoshS]

I understand that Ron Paul winning the nomination is a long shot and probably just got longer all in all. But whether he wins or loses this race, I think you are wrong to suggest that the liberty movement will simply fall to pieces. It will grow just it has grown over the past four years despite Paul's loss then. One only has to look at the exit polls that show him getting 40-50% in most states to realize that time is on our side. The most important thing is that the internet remain free and uncensored.

The internet's not going to be free and uncensored by the end of this year, so there goes that. Secondly, RP won't be there to rally the libertarians again and Rand is far from the candidate Ron is. Rand can't generate any enthusiasm compared to his dad. The media can just pretend like we don't even exist, which will be quite easy for them and everyone will forget we exist. Most of the hardcore libertarians will stay on-board but this will diminish our soft support and realistic chances of moving forward.

 

[Liberty74]

We all wanted a win, but we probably got most of the delegates.

Those delegates won't get reported by the media going to Ron. The media will estimate their own delegate count as they have been doing and with Romney winning, we get no free positive media coverage (perception matters). I will keep saying, we need some kind of unforeseen event to shake up this process where the voters start to wake up and herd themselves to Ron.

 

[angelatc]

Tonight is the first night I feel true disappointment because I did let myself get a little excited...only because I thought we actually had a chance and it was safe to be a little hyped at least.

Shit man who wants to pool funds, buy an island, and start our own country? I have a really nice $80 coconut splitter that I'm willing to share

I think the last time we tried that, Togo kicked our ass

 

[splanky]

I understand that Ron Paul winning the nomination is a long shot and probably just got longer all in all. But whether he wins or loses this race, I think you are wrong to suggest that the liberty movement will simply fall to pieces. It will grow just it has grown over the past four years despite Paul's loss then. One only has to look at the exit polls that show him getting 40-50% in most states to realize that time is on our side. The most important thing is that the internet remain free and uncensored.

This. Especially regarding the internet.

 

[angelatc]

It does not matter, how much better we did than last time!! What matters is not giving up. And if we don't win in the end? Help Americans achieve their suicide - vote for Obama.

Nah - vote third party so they can keep their ballot access.

 

[Cortes]

Why thank you for the enlightenment Dec. 2011 but I've been a RP supporter since '07 and RP won't be running in 4 years and we, like all other candidates, have a lot of soft support. Over the next 4 years many RP supporters, whether they'd like to believe it or not, will be lulled back asleep by the media and vote for the next schill they think expresses their opinion. There's no more Ron Pauls, no more 30 year voting records, no more 'Mr. No'. It's about over fella.

36% isn't as cool when it's 36% of less than 6k votes, sorry.

No more Ron Pauls? I guess all those other candidates running for office that this site has separate forums for may as well just call it a day, right? After all, voters end up voting for some hack that follows the party line like Trey Grayson and- wait...

 

[Silverbug1980]

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Now, I am absolutely stone cold drunk, so take this with a grain of salt. But there is no way they will let us win. Simply put, without a landslide, we will never have won. Those folks saying we have sown the seeds of liberty, and the next generation will continue it are fooling themselves. They will be marginalized and thus forth just like we have been. This country will not be restored, until it collapses. Whether from tyranny, or otherwise.

 

[JoshS]

No more Ron Pauls? I guess all those other candidates running for office that this site has separate forums for may as well just call it a day, right? After all, voters end up voting for some hack that follows the party line like Trey Grayson and- wait...

No one's going to create the enthusiasm Ron Paul did. I'm not sure if that's even debatable. Ron has the predictions, the economic prowess, the youtube vids, the voting record, the written literature, the best selling books, etc. He was the one who did actually cure voter apathy. No one comes close and no one will.

 

[NYgs23]

The internet's not going to be free and uncensored by the end of this year, so there goes that. Secondly, RP won't be there to rally the libertarians again and Rand is far from the candidate Ron is. Rand can't generate any enthusiasm compared to his dad. The media can just pretend like we don't even exist, which will be quite easy for them and everyone will forget we exist. Most of the hardcore libertarians will stay on-board but this will diminish our soft support and realistic chances of moving forward.

Do you enjoy being pessimistic or are you just depressed today? We don't know what's going to happen with the internet. Rand generated enough enthusiasm to win a senate race and pro-liberty isn't just Rand and Ron; it's hundreds of thousands of people gradually advancing an idea. You need to take a long historical view. The very idea of natural rights didn't even reach full development until less than 400 years ago. Since then we've manage to separate church from state, abolish slavery, and inculcate at least some of these ideas in millions of minds. Slowly but steadily, we move onward and upward as a species.

 

[JoshS]

Do you enjoy being pessimistic or are you just depressed today? We don't know what's going to happen with the internet. Rand generated enough enthusiasm to win a senate race and pro-liberty isn't just Rand and Ron; it's hundreds of thousands of people gradually advancing an idea. You need to take a long historical view. The very idea of natural rights didn't even reach full development until less than 400 years ago. Since then we've manage to separate church from state, abolish slavery, and inculcate at least some of these ideas in millions of minds. Slowly but steadily, we move onward and upward as a species.

Maybe you need to take a history/current events class and realize we lose liberty by the day.

 

[wgadget]

Those delegates won't get reported by the media going to Ron. The media will estimate their own delegate count as they have been doing and with Romney winning, we get no free positive media coverage (perception matters). I will keep saying, we need some kind of unforeseen event to shake up this process where the voters start to wake up and herd themselves to Ron.

I wonder if a DOLLAR COLLAPSE would have any effect.

I pray it doesn't happen, but I do believe Ron will be vindicated in the end. In one interview, he predicted it would happen before this summer, and judging by what's going on in Greece, he's probably right.

 

[JK/SEA]

yeah, extremely dis-appointed. I was so looking forward to Ron saying..woohoo look at me, i'm going to Disneyland.

Seriously though...dis-appointed in what...exactly?

 

[JoshS]

That 3% cost us millions in donations and unthinkable momentum.

 

[NYgs23]

Maybe you need to take a history/current events class and realize we lose liberty by the day.

The past 150 years or so have been largely, though not entirely, a zag. But obviously liberty doesn't just get lost and never gained. Were that the case we'd still be living under the pharaoh. I can remain optimistic in the long term when I consider the whole of human history and how far we've come. And I look at statistics like this:

CNN Iowa Caucus Entrance Poll--Vote by Age

------------Paul..........Santorum.......Romney
17-24.........50%..........21%..............13%
25-29.........45%..........27%..............12%
30-39.........34%..........30%..............17%
40-49.........17%..........25%..............23%
50-64.........15%..........27%..............26%
65+............11%..........20%..............33%

FOX New Hampshire Primary Exit Poll--Vote by Age

------------Paul..........Romney
18-29.........46%..........28%
30-39.........35%..........34%
40-49.........24%..........42%
50-64.........18%..........42%
65+............12%..........42%

 

[splanky]

The very idea of natural rights didn't even reach full development until less than 400 years ago. Since then we've manage to separate church from state, abolish slavery, and inculcate at least some of these ideas in millions of minds. Slowly but steadily, we move onward and upward as a species.

Hell man, that crap is what I'm fighting against!

 

[tbone717]

Even if we never win ONE STATE, we are still 20% of the electorate, and if we stick together, we can wreak all KINDS of havoc.

This needs to be corrected so that we do not get too full of ourselves. When you total all the votes for Paul in the nine contests that have been held and compare that with the 2008 general election totals for the same states we are 1.56% of the electorate. That percentage is even less when you compare our vote total to all registered voters.

A few polls have shown that around 40% of Paul voters will not support the nominee. If that is the case then "we" are 0.6% of the electorate. Not much of a force to "wreak havoc" as you suggest.

Don't want to burst your bubble, but I would hate to see people have false hope that we are some large contingency when in reality we are not.

 

[JoshS]

The past 150 years or so have been largely, though not entirely, a zag. But obviously liberty doesn't just get lost and never gained. Were that the case we'd still be living under the pharaoh. I can remain optimistic in the long term when I consider the whole of human history and how far we've come. And I look at statistics like this:

Because only our people are active at that young an age. Once the young generation grows up and ALL start voting, it will diminish back to a small minority. Think of all the ignorant 20-25 year olds you know, they don't vote yet.

 

[mport1]

The liberty cat is out of the bag and has caught fire with young people. There is no turning back now. No matter what happens with this election, liberty will eventually prevail.

 

[SCOTUSman]

I am physically sick right now. I was hoping for Iowa....Minnesota or Maine....Maine especially...our greatest chance. But nope...I need to vomit I think.

 

[Pauls' Revere]

I'm voting for Ron Paul in the general election no matter what. Screw the media and screw the GOP.

bump.

and did you see the hype Romney got for winning a straw poll? Where was the media when Ron won?


Third party run?