Hunter wins - Paul 3rd

devil21 said:
Its a surprising result, assuming it's legit, but its not all that bad since RP was right behind Fred and if Hunter wins then theres no way to spin it in favor of the "top tier". I would have liked an outright RP win but the restrictiveness of the poll keeps many supporters from voting, in addition to those rumors about denying entry.
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This is his own state. This is bad.

This better serve as a WAKE UP call to us all. What we're doing is not enough. We need to get the word out better and we'd better do it fast. We have just a few short months to turn this around or it is all over.
 
Strong 3rd place finish, good result. Remember that these are party apparatchiks -- you had to be a former delegate to vote, so this is a group that would be reflexively anti-Paul. Regular people were not allowed to vote.
 
16.17% among former delegates is not too shabby.

Even the extra bus load probably wouldn't have been enough to overtake Thompson.

Reports were that the cheers for Paul & Hunter were about the same. Given that we had a lot of guests (i.e. non-voters) inside, the numbers aren't that surprising. Hunter showed up, and got the pro-war vote.
 
I didn't think Rep. Paul was going to get third here either. I thought maybe 6th at best.

So frankly, considering the rules of the debate this is a pleasant surprise. Lot's of people will be able to use the numbers here to downplay Rep. Paul's legitimacy. The fact is though, with only prior delegates being able to vote, this was a pretty stellar result. Paul has plenty of support from the likes of prior delegates to have a great shot at Texas, when everyone else can vote along with prior delegates.
 
Come to think of it, reading all the pre-vote-count articles, the press DID seem to be pushing the Hunter thing....

Hmm.
 
Also, the MSM won't be able to say that RP won it BECAUSE it was his home state. Look at the bright side!
 
Zydeco said:
Strong 3rd place finish, good result. Remember that these are party apparatchiks -- you had to be a former delegate to vote, so this is a group that would be reflexively anti-Paul. Regular people were not allowed to vote.
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That's not true at all. Did you call any of them? Most are sick of Dubya and do not like what he's doing. That's why Giuiani and the rest came in so low. They want a Reagan conservative (the way he talked, not what he actually DID) and they see that being Hunter or Fred, more than Paul.

We don't need to put our own spin on this. We need to face the truth and that seems to be that we are not getting the word out good enough. We've got to decide what to do and do better.
 
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LibertyEagle said:
This is his own state. This is bad.

This better serve as a WAKE UP call to us all. What we're doing is not enough. We need to get the word out better and we'd better do it fast. We have just a few short months to turn this around or it is all over.
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liberty, this is NOT bad.. this is 3rd place. It is fine. IF you consider that total of what, under 2k votes were cast.. its not a big deal. 3rd is good.

Remember, these are "conservative republicans" -- we turned them around to 3rd. Plus, if that busload story is true, there is that 2nd place finish.

Remember, Romeny/Guiliania/McCain got SMASHED!!!! Is that "bad" for them???

C'mon, we need you to stay positive... this is NOT bad at all.
 
Strong 3rd place finish, good result. Remember that these are party apparatchiks -- you had to be a former delegate to vote, so this is a group that would be reflexively anti-Paul. Regular people were not allowed to vote.
 
LibertyEagle said:
That's not true at all. Did you call any of them? Most are sick of Dubya and do not like what he's doing. That's why Giuiani and the rest came in so low. They want a Reagan conservative (the way he talked, not what he actually DID) and they see that being Hunter or Fred, more than Paul.
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You weren't in the parking garage. While Ron Paul bumper stickers lined the streets of Fort Worth going from the hotel to the convention center, the parking garage directly across from the convention center was filled with "W" and Bush/Cheney stickers
 
its a fund raiser for the GOP. Ron Paul will be president of the US not Texas.

No offense to Texas but ......Bush...........
 
Take the result and carryon. Hunter has much less support than RP. All the news articles leading up to this pointed out that Ron Paul supporters were EVERYWHERE. Those are real votes in the real election.

I'll take 3rd and keep on spreading the word. Going out tomorrow to hand out literature in NJ. If you didn't have any plans for tomorrow; use this as inspiration to get out there.

It is obvious to me that all the votes among the other candidates were lumped into Hunter's votes --because he showed up. While Ron Paul's votes were real.
 
cjhowe said:
You weren't in the parking garage. While Ron Paul bumper stickers lined the streets of Fort Worth going from the hotel to the convention center, the parking garage directly across from the convention center was filled with "W" and Bush/Cheney stickers
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ok.
 
Hardly anyone is paying attention at this point really who cares. :) Straw polls (they are just fundraisers) as i see it are used to either bolster or diminish the grassroots support, in the end on the grand scale they are pretty much meaningless. The only meaning to come from it is it might garner more monetary support if you have a good showing like huckabee in iowa, and duncan here in texas.

Also hunter comes off as a "reagan" republican to many long time republicans so he will play well in texas I'm not surprised by this at all.
 
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I think the problem here is that of all people, Duncan Hunter won. I mean, if someone like Fred Thompson or Mitt Romney came in first- sure, but Hunter?? The guy barely registers on national polls, came third to last in the Iowa straw poll. And it's not like he won by a few votes- he won with 500 votes!

How did he get that many votes suddenly? Is Ron Paul hated that much by the MSM that they would pull their votes for someone like Hunter?
 
I think this is a decent finish.

Any confirmation yet on the bus from Houston with delegates denied their vote?

If that happens to be true and we can get an estimate on how many and whether or not these were Paul voters, we'll know if RP might have come in even higher.

NOT THAT THAT MATTERS TO ANYONE BUT US.
 
Paul has never been popular with TX Repubs

In the 1984 Senate race, Ron only got 17% of the vote in the Republican primary, with Phil Gramm getting 70%. Ron has NEVER been popular among the Texas Republican elite, because of his perceived anti-defense and other Libertarian positions. A number of people were not happy when he became the LP candidate in 1988.

So frankly, I would have been surprised if Ron had won.

What is bad is that it will continue to fuel Hunter's efforts, which will muddy the waters even more.
 
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