human evolution's missing link found (95% complete fossil, w/ pics)

torchbearer said:
yeah, but for something to be fact, it has to be proven. I have read a lot, and I do believe our life forms on this planet have evolved/mutated over time.
Problem comes when you speak of origin and how things became to begin with.

This is a topic that is always skipped over, and I think it should be address.
You can say that evolution itself passes occam's razor. you look at the evidence of a species evolving over time, and the simplest explanation is that you see a pattern of progression in a species.
But you can't say the same thing about things evolving from the simplest biological compounds.
To dismiss this, is to avoid the issue because it doesn't fit the idea that you want.
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I'll address it, we've only scratched the surface of evolutionary theory. We've really only been digging around for a brief moment of time.
 
torchbearer said:
Thanks, now just have to figure out what part of the amino acid soup we came from.
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Granted, this is my opinion, but we came from the same amino acid soup as everything else. At one point algae DOMINATED the planet, that's all there was.

It spread to rock formations, went under water, some were hot, some were cold etc.

Over the years the varying conditions paved way for differences among the whole.

Eventually one algae would try to eat another algae and so on...

Multiplied by billions of years, viola, evolution.
 
torchbearer said:
yeah, but for something to be fact, it has to be proven. I have read a lot, and I do believe our life forms on this planet have evolved/mutated over time.
Problem comes when you speak of origin and how things became to begin with.

This is a topic that is always skipped over, and I think it should be address.
You can say that evolution itself passes occam's razor. you look at the evidence of a species evolving over time, and the simplest explanation is that you see a pattern of progression in a species.
But you can't say the same thing about things evolving from the simplest biological compounds.
To dismiss this, is to avoid the issue because it doesn't fit the idea that you want.
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I agree and honestly I don't know that much about evolution, it is something I would like to learn more about but right now there are other things that I am far more interested in and seem to be far more relevant. Maybe down the road when I am older I will spend more time on it. I was just saying Occam's Razor is really a weak argument, often times what seems to be the most simple route is really that way because you lack knowledge. For example, before men really understood astronomy thinking that the sun went around the earth would seem to align well with Occam's Razor, later on down the road men learned that what they saw in the sky was far more complex then they had imagined.

Knowledge trumps Occam's Razor all the time, the physical universe we live in is pretty damn complex.
 
idiom said:
If two of them are found then it stops being a transitional fossil and becomes a whole species.
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Now THIS statement deserves a facepalm.

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LATruth said:
Granted, this is my opinion, but we came from the same amino acid soup as everything else. At one point algae DOMINATED the planet, that's all there was.

It spread to rock formations, went under water, some were hot, some were cold etc.

Over the years the varying conditions paved way for differences among the whole.

Eventually one algae would try to eat another algae and so on...

Multiplied by billions of years, viola, evolution.
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how do simple organism develop complex organs like eyes-brains- systems of organs -like digestive, circulatory...and at the same time survive.
how do algae start to develop blood cells?
are change how they create energy.... and so forth.
nothing has been replicated in labs, and when people give their opinions on it, it almost starts sounding like a "faith" issue.
 
LATruth said:
Even after this "discovery", I still say this MIGHT turn the THEORY of evolution into a scientific law.
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That's not how it works.

Theory is the best thing you can be in science. A law, like the second law of thermodynamics, describes a pattern in phenomena for which we have never observed a deviation. For instance, there is the theory of gravity. What the hell is it? How do we explain how this thing happens? Then there is the law of gravitation, which is a mathematical relationship describing the force exerted by masses upon each other.

Theories don't grow up to be laws, but sometimes laws can be better explained by theory.
 
LATruth said:
It was a THEORY previously. Your entire statement is eyeballs deep in bullshit.

Even after this "discovery", I still say this MIGHT turn the THEORY of evolution into a scientific law. Only then will it be factual in the scientific community. Until then, evolution and creationism are just common ideas shared by man to explain "why".
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If evolution was not a law before, then why did evolutionists fight so hard to keep alternative explanations out of public schools even before this fossil surfaced?

Anyway, scientists tend not to use the word "law" anymore, since too many of their "laws" got disproven. "Theory" is the highest level of certainty you can get in science.
http://physics.suite101.com/article.cfm/theory_vs__hypothesis_vs__law
 
torchbearer said:
One thing I haven't figure out with evolution-
How did a species requiring both a male and female parts to reproduce come into being from amino acid soup.
Both parts would have to randomly come about at the same time and same location with the right sets of chromosomes to happen.
That doesn't pass Occam's razors.
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It could have started by hermaphroditic species that diverged into different sexes. Even bacteria exchange genetic material sometimes.
 
torchbearer said:
how do simple organism develop complex organs like eyes-brains- systems of organs -like digestive, circulatory...and at the same time survive.
how do algae start to develop blood cells?
are change how they create energy.... and so forth.
nothing has been replicated in labs, and when people give their opinions on it, it almost starts sounding like a "faith" issue.
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Algae (and protists, etc) can sometimes form colonies. Then different parts of the colonies can become more specialized.
 
torchbearer said:
how do simple organism develop complex organs like eyes-brains- systems of organs -like digestive, circulatory...and at the same time survive.
how do algae start to develop blood cells?
are change how they create energy.... and so forth.
nothing has been replicated in labs, and when people give their opinions on it, it almost starts sounding like a "faith" issue.
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It most certainly is a faith issue. Faith itself has a duality in meaning. It does not have to mean anything spiritual or godlike. I don't claim to know the 1,2,3's behind evolution, nor can I answer your question with any degree of certainty.

However, they have spawned amino acids and the building blocks of life in labs from otherwise innate compounds. That's a start. On the other hand, people are still debating whether of not Jesus existed, and that was only 2000 years ago and something one can never prove one way or the other.

I don't want to turn this into another creationist/darwinian argument and hijack the thread. But when it comes down to believing in something I can prove vs something that can not and never will be proven, we all know the answer to that.

I guess the biggest turn off for me is the creationist that take the bible as the word of god literally and toss out the notion that life has been here MILLIONS of years, humans included. Totally ignoring the inconsistency in the claim from a logical standpoint.

I can go on and on, but I know you get the point. :)
 
LATruth said:
I guess the biggest turn off for me is the creationist that take the bible as the word of god literally and toss out the notion that life has been here MILLIONS of years, humans included. Totally ignoring the inconsistency in the claim from a logical standpoint.
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Exactly.

To me creationism looks like this...

noahs_ark_rainbow.jpg
TRUE!

evolutiontree.gif
LIES!
 
Face it humans did not come from earth. We were placed here by aliens. DUH

Like bible thumpers I do not need to prove it. I saw glimpses of it in Super Man comics.
 
ItsTime said:
Face it humans did not come from earth. We were placed here by aliens. DUH

Like bible thumpers I do not need to prove it. I saw glimpses of it in Super Man comics.
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from the star Siruis. Egyptians got here through a star gate.
 
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