HUGE NEWS FOR RON PAUL: Florida May Allow Proportional Delegates

This will be good if it happens.

I still don't think the campaign would invest much there, it would be up to grassroots -- it's just too expensive of a market when we have cheap states all throughout january and february.
 
Florida historically has almost always decided republican nominations. Any finish other than first, means Ron Paul will not get nomination. However, if Florida does change the rules, and ends up allowing proportional delegates, it means Ron has a good shot at becoming the nominee even if he doesn't take first.
 
i would really love it if they break it up. This winner takes all sucks nuts. I look forward to see what happens tomorrow.
 
QWDC said:
So would they get all 100 delegates back?
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no, and in reality, it should not be up to Florida whether or not the delegates are proportional. According to the rules, the delegates are proportional, but the RNC was going to give Florida a pass on this.

It has always been up in there air, and the meeting is tomorrow. If Florida decides it wants to allocate wta, THAT decision can still be overruled by the RNC, and can still be challenged at the convention.

I would not be surprised to see yet another court battle errupt if Florida decides to do whatever it wants against the wishes of the party. Especially if there is a 25 delegate margin or less to be made up some where.
 
LibertyInNY said:
Florida historically has almost always decided republican nominations. Any finish other than first, means Ron Paul will not get nomination. However, if Florida does change the rules, and ends up allowing proportional delegates, it means Ron has a good shot at becoming the nominee even if he doesn't take first.
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Was Florida even a state last time we had a election like this one?
 
bluesc said:
As I already said, and Ron has said, and Benton has said - The campaign would need more money to compete in Florida, hence why I said they need a ticker - because despite your insistence that it doesn't - it costs a lot.

That $825,000 number you talk about would play a 30-second ad 7 times in the 9 markets. It's crazy expensive.
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The campaign needs more money period.

Acting like not spending 825k to run a parallel ad slot is somehow going to save the campaign down the road is crazy if you ask me. You can't on the one hand tout the race as Ron Paul being Romney's only competitor, and then on the other hand say, well not really, cause of Florida.

To me it's just common sense. The campaign needs to keep momentum going, not issue releases to the media that indicate that the campaign is not really up to the challenge of bringing the message to EVERYONE.

It can't be one extreme or the other.

Since you are the expert, how much should the campaign spend in say, Nevada? How about Colorado? You think it's going to be cheap to compete in California, Texas, or New York?
 
JulioForPaul said:
The campaign should just ... tell us that they are going to compete hard in Florida. Nobody would really notice the difference between spending 2 million or 300k in ads. As long as our grassroots are motivated we will get some votes.
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Okaloosa said:
They just need a motivated well trained grass roots. Having people motivated is more important than spending money.
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Exactly what the official campaign needs to do! Go all in with grassroots, no need to spend a fortune. They should not fall into the trap being set by the MSM when they keep asking if we are going to compete or skip Florida. Hell yes we are going to compete!
 
Brian4Liberty said:
Exactly what the official campaign needs to do! Go all in with grassroots, no need to spend a fortune. They should not fall into the trap being set by the MSM when they keep asking if we are going to compete or skip Florida. Hell yes we are going to compete!
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Thank you!

And they could back that up by making their presence fealt in some way. Sure, they'll be down here for the NATIONAL debate, but how about an energizing fundraising event? Why not swing through on the way out of S.C.? Why not open up an office or two in the districts that were strongest on Ron Paul in 2008? Even if it is WTA, the campaign should still have a presence and a media outlet in this state!
 
Florida is also a CLOSED PRIMARY.

That means party-only, no independents.

Splitting Romney's delegates would still be good, however.
 
newbitech said:
The campaign needs more money period.

Acting like not spending 825k to run a parallel ad slot is somehow going to save the campaign down the road is crazy if you ask me. You can't on the one hand tout the race as Ron Paul being Romney's only competitor, and then on the other hand say, well not really, cause of Florida.

To me it's just common sense. The campaign needs to keep momentum going, not issue releases to the media that indicate that the campaign is not really up to the challenge of bringing the message to EVERYONE.

It can't be one extreme or the other.

Since you are the expert, how much should the campaign spend in say, Nevada? How about Colorado? You think it's going to be cheap to compete in California, Texas, or New York?
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Well, Nevada is a caucus state. Organization rules. Ads are cheaper. Repeating the ads is cheaper and is what wins votes. We already have organization there and a base from '08.

I'll say it again.. $825k on 7 plays of a 30 second ad is not worth it. If that's all they are going to spend, they are better off spending it elsewhere. They only way to compete is playing more ads. Millions of dollars worth. A well funded SuperPAC would help with that, as Romney and Newt have.

I know you're butthurt that they are ignoring your state, but that may change if they run into the $10M that they want.
 
Brian4Liberty said:
Exactly what the official campaign needs to do! Go all in with grassroots, no need to spend a fortune. They should not fall into the trap being set by the MSM when they keep asking if we are going to compete or skip Florida. Hell yes we are going to compete!
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I agree. Rather than spend a lot on ads there, they should use that money to compete in the upcoming caucuses and on Super Tuesday states. Depend on the grassroots to make a decent showing in FL.
 
bluesc said:
Well, Nevada is a caucus state. Organization rules. Ads are cheaper. Repeating the ads is cheaper and is what wins votes. We already have organization there and a base from '08.

I'll say it again.. $825k on 7 plays of a 30 second ad is not worth it. If that's all they are going to spend, they are better off spending it elsewhere. They only way to compete is playing more ads. Millions of dollars worth. A well funded SuperPAC would help with that, as Romney and Newt have.

I know you're butthurt that they are ignoring your state, but that may change if they run into the $10M that they want.
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what exactly do you mean butthurt? it sounds to me like you are the one with a hard on for the campaign to ignore FLorida.

You say it's not worth it, you say the money is spent better elsewhere, you say all these things with just nothing to back it up. Millions? Where are you getting these numbers from? Benton said 9 million.. That is a crap number too. I even heard Ron Paul say 20 million LMAO. That is just crap. It is not going to cost 9-20 million to campaign in Florida. No one is spending that kind of money here, which is why the Florida Republican Party is considering opening up the delegate (my guess).

The only reason Florida is SOOOOO expensive is because it is a HUGE population! It's not that the other places are "cheeper" its that they are smaller.

Yes, if you are trying to win delegates with ads then you need to actually place 1st and not settle for 2nd or 3rd as in caucus style systems.

I'll ask you again, should the campaign also plan on skipping Texas, California, New York? Cause these states are also huge markets that will takes millions to advertise in. Oh, and if you are gonna use the delegate argument, then you are saying that 1st place is not going to be the goal. Well how is that going to work in a 2 man race? Please tell us all knowing strategy person.

I will tell you. The delegate strategy only works in a 2 man race if you are actually planning on winning a majority of them. Because otherwise, the other man in the race wins the majority. It's pretty simple math. Sure, you want to spend money in states where you have better odds, but tell me, out of the 46 states left after Florida, where are the odds?

And please stop discounting the huge loss in momentum if Florida flops for Ron Paul.
 
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