HuckaChuck on Pajamas TV Explaining His Distate for Libertarians

[tonesforjonesbones]

Liberty eagle? read what? I was referring to the interview on the video that was posted. tones

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

Well let me ask you this. If individuals are not being morally responsible, and it hurts others ...does that require more or less police to make sure they do so? Tones

 

[LibertyEagle]

Liberty eagle? read what? I was referring to the interview on the video that was posted. tones

Did you see the quotes from that interview? That is what I was responding to.

I'll go listen to the actual interview though.

 

[Rangeley]

it is a realization that if he is talking about libertarian type issues...and he has the best chance to put them forth...the message is still gettin out isn't it?

He isn't talking about libertarian issues, he is dismissing the concept of individual responsibility and self government as utopian. Instead, he argues that we need a government to look after us, because we are incapable of taking care of ourselves.

That argument always brings this quote to mind:

From time to time, we have been tempted to believe that society has become too complex to be managed by self-rule, that government by an elite group is superior to government for, by, and of the people. But if no one among us is capable of governing himself, then who among us has the capacity to govern someone else? ~Reagan

 

[LibertyEagle]

Well let me ask you this. If individuals are not being morally responsible, and it hurts others ...does that require more or less police to make sure they do so? Tones

First of all, the federal government is not who hires police.

I really wish you'd get away from this term "morally responsible", because some are going to take that a lot differently than you probably mean it. If you mean things like killing and stealing, well yes, I personally think we need police to enforce those laws, but again, they are not hired at the federal level.

Tones, when government types know that the people want to reduce the size of government, they always try to put the fear into people by mentioning that we would lose those services that we most want. Remember back during Clinton's administration (I think it was Clinton's), when the Congress didn't pass the budget and there was all this fear-mongering by the government that something dire would happen? The first things they shut down were tourist attractions in D.C. and I remember all kinds of sad sack stories in the paper about how Dick and Jane had spent all their savings to travel to D.C. to take Junior to see things like the Smithsonian and lo and behold it was closed. OH PUHLEEEESE.

That is all this is, Tones. Huckabee is bought and paid for and he is a wannabe and quite willing to sing whatever tune his masters want him to sing. Clearly, the idea of returning to our constitutional roots is scaring the bejeezus out of them, because they fully realize that it will catch on with the people. That is, once we figure out how to communicate the message effectively. People like Huckabee are there to skew the message and head us off at the pass. That's what Fred Thompson was put there to do too. Don't let them fool you.

 

[Cleaner44]

YOu have a problem with Christians...that's the bottom line. You are haters of Christians. There is not ONE thing that Huckabee said in that interview that was not constitutional. You people just dispise christians. I find you a bunch of closed minded nuts. You need to work on your OWN LITMUS tests as far as religion goes. He was SPOT on ...in everything he said. I wonder about your ability to reason...or if you just automatically shut down his words because you know he is a Christian minister. Foolish people. Tones

Tones, you are a moron.

Huck pretends to follow Reagan, but he is for big govt, a police state, high taxes and govt intervention in our personal lives. Then he implies he believes in self govt!!! Fuckin' Neocons are so far from being conservative that it is absurd.

Huck is in no way fiscally conservative. The only conservative thing about Huck is the socially conservative part and that it complete govt intervention in our personal lives. That is hardly conservative in my book but I understand it is conservative to some people.

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

Rangley..he said nothing of the kind. please go listen again.

I started talking about a moral society...and moral politicians when I heard this speech. I believe this to be true..please watch it..and listen to the words of this gentleman. He absolutely says there must be individual responsibility, moral society and moral politicans. he also referred to the founders that shared this philosophy. I want to see if you agree with this fellow? He talks about a moral society around 9:55. Id' like to hear your thoughts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa8LwPWYGDc

 

[MRoCkEd]

Hey Huck - why don't you have Dr. Paul on your show and tell him face to face that you're more conservative than him?

 

[reduen]

Not sure what anybody has to gripe about in this interview...? My problem with Huck is that he took so many cheap shots at the good Dr. during the campaigns. I am afraid that the Huckster does not really believe what he says he does. (His actions do not fit his words..) He and Dr. Paul should be best buddies given what he says..

 

[Arklatex]

My mother went to school with the huckster, my grandfather attended the church he preached at, I own a home in the state he governed. Trust me, if you think Mike Huckabee is advancing the cause of liberty then you - not everyone else - are posting in the wrong forums.

listen to paul's and hucks exchange in the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBtL3NIcAvU


I wish I could find a paper he once wrote on international trade, I send it to ya. he is a fascist economic moron period. Christianity has nothing to do with this.

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

reduen..well, i consider that just campaign baloney. huckabee flat out stated just recently he has a great deal of respect for Ron Paul...and he considers Ron Paul the most consistant of anyone. I thought it was a great interview and reflected so many of Ron Pauls ideas. sigh. I'm just not that closed minded to write people off. tones

 

[Elwar]

...it is a realization that if he is talking about libertarian type issues...and he has the best chance to put them forth...the message is still gettin out isn't it? No matter WHO is talking the talk

Talking the talk is one thing, but that's why Ron Paul got so much grassroots support. Because he has walked the walk for the past 30 years. Huckabee has walked the walk of a big spending liberal during his time in office.

If I were to kill 20 people and then use the national attention I receive for being such a huge murderer to talk about how murder is bad...would you be happy that at least the message that murder is bad is out there? No matter WHO is talking the talk?

 

[reduen]

reduen..well, i consider that just campaign baloney. huckabee flat out stated just recently he has a great deal of respect for Ron Paul...and he considers Ron Paul the most consistant of anyone. I thought it was a great interview and reflected so many of Ron Pauls ideas. sigh. I'm just not that closed minded to write people off. tones

Where did you see that Huck said this? I would love to see this...

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

You may be right ...but huckabee is talking the talk...the republicans who listen to him...might get more of Ron Paul's message...i consider it very important to the movement that huckabee is speaking like this. I agree, he and Ron Paul should be best friends...I am for whatever means to spread the message..it's the MESSAGE that is important. He might reach some that wouldn't listen to Ron Paul...but the message is still valid. tones

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

reduen...i have to go look for it..someone posted it here the other day,...i'll try to find it. Tones

 

[reduen]

My mother went to school with the huckster, my grandfather attended the church he preached at, I own a home in the state he governed. Trust me, if you think Mike Huckabee is advancing the cause of liberty then you - not everyone else - are posting in the wrong forums.

listen to paul's and hucks exchange in the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBtL3NIcAvU


I wish I could find a paper he once wrote on international trade, I send it to ya. he is a fascist economic moron period. Christianity has nothing to do with this.

You can find the paper you are talking about at the Council On Foreign Relations site.... (This is another example of him flopping around on topics...)

 

[reduen]

reduen...i have to go look for it..someone posted it here the other day,...i'll try to find it. Tones

Cool, I gotta see this... As a side note, you said above that you just considered that "camapign baloney", I ask you did the good Dr. behave in this manner?

If you were to go by their actions, which would you consider Christian in this matter? Dr. Paul or Huckabee?

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

Before I get singed by hot and angry mail from Ron Paul disciples, I want to be emphatic in stating my sincere respect for Congressman Paul. I was convinced that he at least had genuine convictions and was willing to stand by them and on them no matter what the audience--a lot more than I could say for some of the candidates who could change positions as easily as Cher can change costumes in one of her many farewell tours.

That is the huckabee quote..tones

 

[LibertyEagle]

You may be right ...but huckabee is talking the talk...the republicans who listen to him...might get more of Ron Paul's message...i consider it very important to the movement that huckabee is speaking like this. I agree, he and Ron Paul should be best friends...I am for whatever means to spread the message..it's the MESSAGE that is important. He might reach some that wouldn't listen to Ron Paul...but the message is still valid. tones

No, he's skewing the message. No one would come out of his blather knowing anything about the principles of self-government, individual liberty, etc. He makes no sense.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Before I get singed by hot and angry mail from Ron Paul disciples, I want to be emphatic in stating my sincere respect for Congressman Paul. I was convinced that he at least had genuine convictions and was willing to stand by them and on them no matter what the audience--a lot more than I could say for some of the candidates who could change positions as easily as Cher can change costumes in one of her many farewell tours.

That is the huckabee quote..tones

Ok, that's great. But, he certainly didn't say he agreed with Ron's principles.