Huckabee vs RP Who won? - Be objective please!

[wgadget]

it depends on your perspective.

i think Mr. Huckabee analogy works well in a perfect world, but just cannot be applied to this situation.

The ONLY way to correct a mistake is to:

A) STOP DOING IT
B) Learn what you did wrong
C) Don't repeat it!

We cannot force the Iraqis to let us use them to redeem ourselves. It is very clear that they do not want us there. Even if they wanted our material and monetary help, they do not want an occupation by US troops.. which is what they have.

So even if you buy into his "you break it, you buy it" analogy - you either believe one of the following:

A) We now OWN Iraq - We conquered them, and they are now our property.

or B) We are responsible and should do all we can to fix Iraq - but we should first "honor" the requests of our victims to "get out and leave us alone!"

This isn't rocket science... i dont know why its even a top of conversation....

Wouldn't that be called "repentance" in Baptist speak?

 

[wgadget]

it was even for the most part, but honestly, huckabee seemed to get better cheers towards the end. unfortunately the cheers were for some fluffy statement, nothing of substance. given that he closed with a fluffy statement lacking substance, i give it to Dr. paul.

I remember a few months ago when old Rudy was getting all the cheers, too, and he suffered blowback. Maybe it just takes us Americans a little while to process things.

 

[bhayl]

I remember a few months ago when old Rudy was getting all the cheers, too, and he suffered blowback. Maybe it just takes us Americans a little while to process things.

That's my perspective as well. It might seem to some like Huckabee 'won' the exchange last night due to his better oratory skills, but after people digest what was said, particularly in the clips that include Ron Paul's final statement about saving face, they will realize that Ron Paul was the real winner of that exchange.

 

[wgadget]

THX, Buddy I don't know why anyone in this forum would use the "negative" term isolationist to label Dr. Paul. I too am an isolationist, but know it is used in a negative way by the MSM, non-interventionist is a much more favorable of a term among the general public...

It just seems to me that this debate, just like the last Fox debate was setup to make RP look bad. I do think he handled it well as usual !!!

Hickabee is a media driven candidate, that IMO is being pushed to draw off christian votes from RP. Ron is ahead of him and if he can raise more money in Q3 Hickabee will slowly fade away. However if he raises more money than RP in Q3 he will be in it for the long haul causing trouble for us all the way(With the Q3 jump in money the MSM can justify the coverage for Hickabee). Remember when given the opportunity to attack RG & WR on abortion he declined and stated his AR amendment. When given the chance to attack Ron he didn't hesitate. He can hurt the RP campaign more than RG,WR & JM because he can pull christian conservatives that RP needs to get the nomination.

For any of you that think you are supposed to blindly follow a President in an UNDECLARED "conflict" plz do some research. There are many members of this forum that can point you to dozens of books to help you to learn that you need to question authority. That's the "true" american way !!! RP won the exchange over Hickabee HANDS DOWN...In fact I was glad to see RP show some spunk !

Anyway good post BuddyRey !!!

Looks like it's time to plaster some church parking lots with RP's statement of faith. We oughta arrange a special day. SOON.

 

[wgadget]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20614865/site/newsweek/

This ought to really piss everyone off. Gee, who's missing from the photo of the candidates?

Not to mention the "Huckabee wins the Ron Paul Lightning Round" bullshit.

It seems that at least two are missing. Am I wrong?

 

[bhayl]

It seems that at least two are missing. Am I wrong?

Paul & Tancredo

 

[Cliff]

Any of you who think Huck did good need to wake up and understand what words like honor mean.

 

[RP4ME]

the word honor

I think that anytime anyone uses teh word honor and our country and they get all patrotic and so it made ron look unpatriotic to some.....so good on Huckabee for being stealth, but his argument is illogical.. So I think Ron needs to take back that word HONOR and use it and redefine it should they debate each other again.

 

[wgadget]

Any of you who think Huck did good need to wake up and understand what words like honor mean.

I noticed that Huckabee used the same word in describing McCain. Hmmm.

 

[aknappjr]

I think both won as they both got more MSM coverage.

 

[Thunderbolt]

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[Nathan Hale]

Any of you who think Huck did good need to wake up and understand what words like honor mean.

I said Huck did well, and I stand by it. Once again, I wasn't speaking to the logic, or even to the morality of his statements. Huck won because of the reaction to what he said by both the media and the audience. In politics, how well you do isn't determined by what you believe or how well you present your beliefs, it's determined by how many people support you. And Huck won more support from that exchange than Ron Paul did.

 

[The Good Doctor]

Huckabee is full of shit here. You don't stay on a sinking ship. There is "honor" in admitting a mistake and leaving. Huckabee was just spewing the rhetoric of the Neocons for them. Like Ron said we are just trying to "save face" He was right on the money there.

hmmm, i think huckabee won but paul is of course right.

the "we have to stand together" "united not divided states" and the "honor" thing unfortunately make great soundbites - every newspaper prints them as the last lines and don't mention pauls response ecause it's no hard punch but an explanation.

paul should resort to saying "we already won, we defeated saddam and checked for weapons of mass destruction" "we didn't find any, so we leave" "we HAVE won already"
or something like this - its better than saying "i want to win elections".

 

[The Good Doctor]

People are seeing through the bullshit in the news media. Just like when the people in the movie V for Vendetta were watching the news and saying "bollocks" or "bullshit". There were just as many cheers for Ron Paul during that dialogue as there were for Huckabee. People are waking up to the fact that it is just more of the same with many of the Republican candidates.

And it doesn't really matter because Ron Paul is uniting all kinds of voters and voter demographics. He is getting Libertarian, Republican, Independant, and Democratic support.

I think this is good overall as it brings attention to Ron Paul. People will look at Huckabee and go "honor"?

And I agree. Ron should say that there is no honor lost by leaving Iraq.

I think that anytime anyone uses teh word honor and our country and they get all patrotic and so it made ron look unpatriotic to some.....so good on Huckabee for being stealth, but his argument is illogical.. So I think Ron needs to take back that word HONOR and use it and redefine it should they debate each other again.

 

[Kregener]

I continue to be amazed at the American "voter".

Some of the replies in this thread are....dumbfounding, to say the LEAST.

 

[kylebrotherton]

The entire exchange was posted by a Huckabee supporter:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3-xN4BSDNNM

 

[The Good Doctor]

Well you really should lay a foundation to your argument.

I continue to be amazed at the American "voter".

Some of the replies in this thread are....dumbfounding, to say the LEAST.

 

[apropos]

The main thing I didn't like about the Paul/Huckabee exchange was the use of Huck's platitudes. His talk about honor and being united reminded me of Bush and the 'they hate us for our freedoms' bit. When you make statements that are that broad, its needs explanation.

Huckabee's responses crumbled under the least amount of inspection. They were just cliches and provided no answer to an already war-weary public. Interestingly, as someone who is not anti-war, I remember feeling that Huckabee's words sounded so ashen and drab. When people are fighting and dying for something, abstract ideas like honor and a united front tend to ring hollow. (This explains why we have had trouble winning recent wars.) I was really disheartened to hear such a bad explanation for a war - Huck sounded very politico. McCain did a much better job of defending the war.

On the other hand, I think Paul won that particular exchange because he touched on an unpleasant truth about the Iraqi war. Also unlike Huck, Paul talked about a specific, tangible element in the current state of the war. We are now fighting to save face. We aren't over there because we believe in what we are doing or because we want to be. We just don't want to look like cut and run again, which is obviously an element in our national debate.

 

[TheyLive!]

Paul won. Huckabee sounded like a fascist/commie with his collectivist paradigm. He also sounded insensitive and uncaring putting 'honor' above human life, which is exactly why the MSM likes to not mention Paul's reply, which made this point clear.