Huckabee: "Jesus was too smart to run for office"

I thought it was a good response. I dislike Huckabee with a passion, but that whole Bible question was complete nonsense.

Not just nonsense but against the constitution (Article IV, sect 3): "...no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." Why CNN is selecting questions and spending air time specifically to make an issue of religious tests in a political debate is beyond me. Perhaps they are as ignorant about the constitution as most Americans... Because they're certainly contributing to public ignorance with crap like that.
 
The only time Jesus ever used anger or violence was when he found money changers in the temple.

Jesus did use violence, and that is against those that would charge people unfair interest on money loaned.

Not against the oppressive Romans, not against those that condemned him with death. But on those that would profit off of the labor of others.

Who fits more in line with Jesus? Ron Paul or Tax Hike Mike, who now seems to be using Ron Paul's stance on the IRS, now that he sees it is popular.
 
I may be in the minority here, but this folksy crap from Huckabee really just rubs me the wrong way.

You aren't. What I find distasteful about Huckabee is that he is far too religious where I am concerned. I find nothing at all distasteful about religion per se, but rather individuals who use their faith as some sort of shield or immunity from answering things more honestly. God and Jesus Christ are their "goto" for questions they cannot or will not answer honestly for themselves. Also, christians who use their statement of faith as some sort of indicator that they know what is right better than people can choose for themselves, the "holier than thou" attitude.

You cannot profess to believe so strongly in Christian values while on the other hand wanting to force those values on everyone else! As the good doctor often says, "We should lead by example!" (One of my favorite essays on the subject is Persuasion vs. Force by Skousen, as a side note the President of the Mormon Church wrote to Skousen very positively about this particular article, Romney should look at it sometime if he ever had a real desire to understand why Ron Paul supporters are so passionate). For professing to believe in the teachings of Christ but wishing to use Government as the vehicle for forcing all people of this country into "behaving" accordingly, he reeks of hypocrisy!

IMHO Christianity, is about choices. It is about an earthly journey wherein man is tasked with a learning experience. As such, God has given each of us the rights to live our lives and make our own choices. I FIRMLY believe in freedom of choice and "nature's fierce discipline". In fact, it is probably the root of my own belief system. Someone like Huckabee, however, would use the power of government to FORCE individuals into making the decisions deemed by him to be the proper "Christian" decisions. Though I realize there are a great many sins against God, I would consider the use of FORCE by far one of the worst and especially when such FORCE is claimed to be justified in some moral or sympathetic manner. You cannot always allow your heart to lead you and that to me is one of the ultimate tests parents have to face each and every day!

Mitt Romney was quite right (if only for political show) to smack Huckabee down for his position on giving taxpayer money to the children of illegal aliens. Huckabee was decidedly WRONG to attempt to sway people to accept forced robbery by playing on their sympathies. THAT to me is FAR worse than any murderer or thief. At least their intentions, if cruel, are not a sympathetic painted lie.

If he REALLY felt that strongly (and this goes for ALL politicians who want to use taxpayer money for supposed "humanitarian" causes) about helping those kids get into school he could use his political clout to help form a non-profit organization for getting those kids their citizenship FIRST and then helping them find ways to get through college. I get so damn sick of the "status quo" playing on the heart strings of all Americans in order to justify taking more and more money from us the easy way, via force by the federal government. If they are THAT interested in getting "universal health care", providing for the poor, and so on, then they need to go out and work at building not for profit foundations to accomplish these things.

I can really get riled up about this subject but it is one that I believe is something mankind needs to start facing with a great deal more honesty and a whole lot less sympathy.
 
The Bible permits capital punishment if you read God's covenant with Noah from Genesis 9.
Genesis 9:5-6
5And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each man, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of his fellow man.

6"Whoever sheds the blood of man,
by man shall his blood be shed;
for in the image of God
has God made man.


Now you can make the argument that America's system of capital punishment is unfair, biased, etc...and you may have a point. But to flat out state that capital punishment and Christianity are incompatible is not true.
 
Huckabee: "Jesus was too smart to run for office."

Plato: "Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber."


Huckabee's an idiot. Besides, referring to Jesus as "too smart to run for office" is close to blasphemy (for someone like Huckabee). Being "smart" has nothing to do with it, and it completely misses the point about why Jesus was great.
Man...I could say so much about why that comment was horrible, but it's not worth it.
 
I'd agree that his response to the "every word in the bible," question was fair. But as to Jesus not getting involved in politics.... Yeah, he didn't run for prez, and wouldn't most likely. But to say he wasn't vicariously involved in politics at all, is entirely untrue. What he did and said had serious political consequences, to say the least! But the bible, as to it's moral prescriptions does not equivocate. Jesus was a jew, and the ten commandments of the old testament are infallible to all true believers.
I should note that I'm not christian. However, it irks me to no end when some christians cherry pick beliefs here and there from the bible. Again, I'm not christian, but how much more clear could you word, "Thou shalt not kill." Where in the world is the argument for "interpretation," of such a statement?

Thou shalt not murder is a more accurate translation but the death penalty is still a premeditated act of violence in which there is an intent to kill. It is still murder but with a self righteous motive. Jesus also said that which you do to the least of them you also do to me. The Huckster put a man to death therefore he did the same to Jesus. How any "christian" could support the death penalty when Jesus himself was the victim of the death penalty completely astounds me.

He is a fake christian just like Bush and they give real christians a bad name. The Huckster is a traveling tent revival preacher and a charlatan. I hate it when he goes into his fake TV evangelist voice and gets all sanctimonious; it is a disgrace and a mockery of everything a real christian stands for. The fact that American "christians" are supporting him just shows how far from christians many of them are.

Also, the hypocrisy of a pro war "christian" leaves me almost speechless. A true christian is a man like Dr Paul who does not force his beliefs on anybody and tries to treat others with respect and dignity. He even believes that we should follow what Jesus said was the highest commandment, treat others as you would like to be treated, in our international relations. What a concept! I wish these people would start acting like Jesus instead of just paying him lip service. The world would be a better place.
 
The Bible permits capital punishment if you read God's covenant with Noah from Genesis 9.
Genesis 9:5-6
5And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each man, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of his fellow man.

6"Whoever sheds the blood of man,
by man shall his blood be shed;
for in the image of God
has God made man.


Now you can make the argument that America's system of capital punishment is unfair, biased, etc...and you may have a point. But to flat out state that capital punishment and Christianity are incompatible is not true.
The question was not about the Old Testament. The question was, what would Jesus do?
 
I think many would agree Christianity has become as corrupted and lost as the Republican party. And it's no coincidence that this occurred as they became tied together. A very good way to destroy your religion is to tie it to political party (and vice versa).
 
The question was not about the Old Testament. The question was, what would Jesus do?

Christians believe that Jesus fulfills the Old Testament. God's character does not change.

Look, the whole question is stupid. It's designed to trap someone because it's unanswerable. Jesus did not come to be an earthly judge nor was he ever asked on the matter.

Would Jesus want infants to be baptized? He never addressed the topic. That doesn't mean that Christians can't disagree on the topic. It doesn't mean that someone who comes to a conclusion different than mine is any less of a Christian because of it.
 
Best debate question ever!!! What is it with the so-called Christians in this country? If they're certain of a life after death, why wouldn't they try to live up to Christ's teachings. Answer: Because most of them are full of shit. Anyone with even the most cursory understanding of the New Testament knows precisely what Jesus' take would be on the death penalty. Once a criminal is locked up, you can no longer claim self-defense. You kill them, you've broke the first commandment, you're going to hell. End of story.

The truth is, most Christians are merely authoritarians. They just want God or the military to punish those who aren't like them. It isn't about God or the good ole US of A for them, it's that they have some deep seated need for vengeance in their souls. I'm still working on the why, but that much seems clear to me these days. I live in the HQ town for Focus on the Family and I encounter this darkness all the time in Christian's trying to convert me. If there's one message that I learned from studies of Christ (both religious and academic), it's that we are suppose to live with love in our hearts. I have yet to meet a single active/proselytizing/born again Christian who lives according to this wise message.
 
He is officially "Duckabee" after this debate.

Nobody dodges more questions than him.

Questioner: In order to reduce the deficit, which 3 programs would you diminish?

Duckabee: "Eliminate the IRS!"

Gee, problem solved.
 
Huck pisses me off too

Huck is one of those people who piss you off because everyone likes him for some reason. He could be selling time shares and still get a ton of votes. In the long run, his coming up will help us even though it is hard to swallow at the moment.


He is probably going to get the backing of every conservative Christian that Bush had. My mother in law supports Huck and is a Christian ( I am too), but she is much more closed minded to anyone that isn't endorsed by the preacher's she sees on TV. Good Grief!

He was at Liberty U. yesterday for convocation and my friend was at the rally. He is a Paul supporter, but he said the scary part was that Huck was really impressive.
 
But to say he wasn't vicariously involved in politics at all, is entirely untrue. What he did and said had serious political consequences, to say the least!

It certainly had political consequences. But what I wrote was "He stayed out of the political issues of his day."

But the bible, as to it's moral prescriptions does not equivocate. Jesus was a jew, and the ten commandments of the old testament are infallible to all true believers.

Correct. Jesus held to the Old Testament law and commandments. (Mark 7:8-13; Matthew 5:17-19) (The Old Testament law included the death penalty by the way, as posted by SovereignMN at #44)


I should note that I'm not christian. However, it irks me to no end when some christians cherry pick beliefs here and there from the bible. Again, I'm not christian, but how much more clear could you word, "Thou shalt not kill." Where in the world is the argument for "interpretation," of such a statement?

A lot of Christians do cherry pick beliefs. But it is also true that a lot of Christians are unjustly accused of cherry picking beliefs by people who don't know the Bible as well as they think they do.
 
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