http://www.dailypaul.com/node/36650

[sunny]

sorry folks about the broken link.
no, i am not SGP.
this post started on february 10th and continues and continues etc.

if this info is correct we are in good shape......please if anyone has any feedback
on this link please post it here.

 

[Phantom]

Bump!

 

[FrankRep]

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/36650

 

[Bradley in DC]

Sunny, I appreciate your optimism but no how many times this is repeated, it's still a load of crap. Only by being realistic will we win.

Encouraging people to become delegates is not wrong, of course not. However, simplistic one-size-fits-all pipe dreams based on bad info does more harm than good.

Analysis and recommendations have to be very state-specific. Taking info for one state and urging it in other states with different rules is counter-productive--which is exactly what you're doing here.

On top of that, there is just so much totally bad information here.

First stop looking at who wins each states popular vote for most of these states the vote by the people is really nothing but a straw poll and have no real bearing on who will become the nominee. The only way this matters is if 1 person receives 1192 delegates that are bound by state rules to be commited to that candidate. NOW there is no possible way that anyone in the race can achieve this goal now because of the major split in state wins by the candidates.

This is a load of crap on so many levels: votes do have bearing on choosing delegates that choose the nominee; one can get 1192 votes from unbound and bound delegates; there are enough votes outstanding for McCain to win outright.

Now i assure you that even though we didn’t win the popular vote in many states WE DID PICK UP THE MAJORITY OF DELEGATES THAN ALL THE OTHER CANDIDATES IN MOST EVERY STATE EXCEPT A FEW. So yes they won the straw poll and we won what counts which is delegates.

This is just delusional ranting: someone call for a straight-jacket. The delusions are based on an understanding of the process from Anson's site that is, to be charitable, well-meaning but laughable:

Do any of you remember seeing posts by myself and many others that said BECOME A DELEGATE? There is still time in most states to become a delegate for the convention and we are picking up more of them every day.

On the other post, this is a load of crap for many other states:

Everyone - when a candidate wins delegates by winning a primary that does not mean there are actual people won acting as delegates- these are virtual delegates. What do I mean by virtual delegates: A virtual delegate is just a number - there are no actual people YET that will go and vote for the candidate who won the particular state at the national convention. We call these people convention delegates

In straight primary states, the presidential contender recruits a slate of "delegate candidates" to compete with the slates of "delegate candidates" from his competitors. These names are filed with the state secretary of state/board of election and are part of the public record (in some states, the delegates' names are actually printed on the ballot). I am the one who recruited the initial slate for Dr. Paul in DC. Whoever wins the primary sends their slate of (now) delegates to the national nominating convention (there are no state conventions, etc., in these states).

Unless you think every other state is exactly like Missouri, you are hurting our efforts.

First off these results are good. Even though it seems as though Ron Paul is coming in last, the popular votes mean NOTHING. Most of these Super Tuesday states are winner take all. What that means is if ONE candidate wins with 51% of the votes then the delegates are legally bound to vote for that winner. If no one candidate takes 51% then it becomes a brokered convention. With there being three virtual “frontrunners” there is no chance of any of the candidates taking that required 51%. Let me repeat THERE IS NO CHANCE OF ANY ONE CANDIDATE TAKING 51%.

Load of crap. The results were NOT good--they were the piss-poor results you'd expect from an official campaign staff that is almost totally incompetent; they are the weak link in the rEVOLution, stop deferring to them. The popular votes do mean something--in many states it is the ONLY thing that matters. The author confuses the rules for winner-take-all and bound--they are entirely separate. There is VERY MUCH a chance that McCain would get a majority of the delegates, yes.

 

[sunny]

this is all new to me too...

hi bradley,
it seems like you've been around the block with this and it's totally new for me.
after seeing this post on www.dailypaul.com for over a month with over 1000 comments i decided
to post it here and see what gives.......
i just sent your reply to dr. steve parent so i could read his reply.

i haven't read the links that he posted yet and they are from the republican party 2008:
http://www.gop.com/images/2008_Call_FINAL.pdf

have you read these to see what he is referring to?

sunny

PS he posted on that he is supposed to be on http://www.www.rprradio.com/ monday nite at 9 pm EST to speak about this...

 

[Phantom]

Bradley, please explain what you mean by saying:

I appreciate your optimism but no how many times this is repeated, it's still a load of crap. Only by being realistic will we win.

 

[Sandra]

Bradley is best put on your ignore list.

 

[sunny]

can we make it happen! i just wanna know!!!

Bradley is best put on your ignore list.

oh terrific!

unless someone truly does have exact info then all i can do is go with this:
http://www.gop.com/images/2008_Call_FINAL.pdf

this is so damn confusing.......by design i suppose.
i just want the doc to win and all of us to know exactly what to do so he can.

isn't the key to this in knowing exactly what the delegate process is and what rights
and authority they DO have.........

if we are as powerful as this guy SGP makes us out to be and ron paul delegates know this...
then it's the bag - if NOt then damnit somebody tell me where else to get the info - please!!!

that's what we all want here - i just want to know - IS IT TRUE?
can we make this happen - can we GIVE the doc the nomination?

 

[Sandra]

Sunny, perhaps you missed the two comments by Bradley that what you're doing is "crap". He's a know it all copy and paster that is on many ignore lists.

Yes! there is a chance Dr Paul will get the nomination. McCain is too risky as far as campaign performance.

 

[Rahl]

Sunny, perhaps you missed the two comments by Bradley that what you're doing is "crap". He's a know it all copy and paster that is on many ignore lists.

Yes! there is a chance Dr Paul will get the nomination. McCain is too risky as far as campaign performance.

he didn't say trying to become a delegate is crap, he said that most of the info that is flying around is crap because good info has to be state specific.

 

[AdamT]

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/36650

Access Denied?

 

[Banana]

he didn't say trying to become a delegate is crap, he said that most of the info that is flying around is crap because good info has to be state specific.

I agree. From what I've seen, nothing can be taken from one state and applied to another with any hope of certainty and I would encourage everyone to learn their state rules. Getting in touch with local meetups and state coordinator would be a good start, in fact as they can then bring you up to the speed.

Out of 2380 national delegates, 1359 delegates are elected via caucus/conventions. Those can then be stormed by having the most boots on the ground at all caucus/conventions; especially the first caucus (precincts... maybe called by different names in other states).

The rest are elected or reserved by various methods from virtue of position (3 slots per state) to being handpicked by the candidate's campaign. Those make it a bit more difficult to get Ron Paul supporters in, but not 100% unlikely; again, you need to get in touch with your own state people to know what is the correct strategy.

 

[nc4rp]

Bradley is best put on your ignore list.

Sandra you might want to rethink that. Bradley has played a crucial role in keeping the RP forums, and in a small way the whole revolution, pointed in the right direction. He is owed our gratitude, not our disrespect.

 

[sunny]

Access Denied?

sorry about that
i just checked it out - here's a new one - that old one had over 1200 comments -
maybe thats why it's down.

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/41866

 

[frasu]

Sandra you might want to rethink that. Bradley has played a crucial role in keeping the RP forums, and in a small way the whole revolution, pointed in the right direction. He is owed our gratitude, not our disrespect.

+1
right on

BUT, sometimes Bradley seems to leave to many points just hanging...

 

[Banana]

BUT, sometimes Bradley seems to leave to many points just hanging...

Yes, I asked him in another thread whether he was calling out on everyone's encouragement to be a delegate, and he clarified that he was targeting specifically Steve Parent's and Anison (have no idea who he is) because they adopted a shotgun approach, but otherwise had no opinion on other threads (in that sense that he hasn't had the time to read it and criticize it).

He's not against the delegate strategy per se, but against the bad information, thought I would think he could do to make his charges a bit more specific instead of "what a load of crap." but he's who he is.

 

[Cowlesy]

He's not against the delegate strategy per se, but against the bad information, thought I would think he could do to make his charges a bit more specific instead of "what a load of crap." but he's who he is.

Exactly. I completely agree that anyone trying to say, "Do this and you can win your state and go to the national convention" is really doing everyone a disservice.

Each state is so different. I read through 100's of pages of documents for NYS as they ensure that how things work is byzantine enough that someone can't print out 5 pages from the internet and be an expert.

Brad has several threads that offer great advice on where to start looking for GOOD information on each particular state, when primaries/conventions/caucuses are held.

And as for load of crap, I just think that is his sheer frustration at the volume of times this bad information makes it onto daily paul and ends up being completely counterproductive to what we're trying to do.

Look at the thread below. Brad is still 100% in this fight and trying to help out. Anyone here in Georgia? You might want to get in touch with others as we have a lot of work to do!

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1347168&highlight=bradley+in+dc#post1347168