How would you fix South Africa?

[Seraphim]

Import the beautiful white SA women into the rest of the West and take in the white men willing to work (which is essentially all of them).

Let the communist killers destroy themselves, and then recolonize the place once the zombie apocalypse is over.

Seriously, the blacks have legally and explicitly stated their goal is to steal all land from the whites and kill them. The one place on Earth facing a legit genocide threat.

 

[Seraphim]

**At Ender**

Sarcasm?

When white colonists found South Africa, it was empty. It was one of the few places on Earth that essentially had no humans.

 

[phill4paul]

I wouldn't.

Yeah, it's like the farthest thing from my agenda.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Import the beautiful white SA women into the rest of the West and take in the white men willing to work (which is essentially all of them).

Let the communist killers destroy themselves, and then recolonize the place once the zombie apocalypse is over.

Seriously, the blacks have legally and explicitly stated their goal is to steal all land from the whites and kill them. The one place on Earth facing a legit genocide threat.

Sounds like a good plan.

 

[Seraphim]

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Sure it is. The State in all its forms is a deadly, poisonous flaw. Republics, democracies, they're all the same.


How about people form other countries stop trying to dictate to others how they should think, act, and live? Seems like that is the root of all these problems in the first freaking place.

**WRONG**

Blacks in the apartheid state had more wealth then today - cuz they had more food and infrastructure that actually fkin worked. That's what happens when you go from a segregated state to one where the majority who don't know what the hell they are doing takes the land from the productive and explicitly says they must die for the color of their skin.

Segregation (while not a good thing) is NOT the same as GENOCIDE.

**EDIT** my response was to your whole statement not just what showed up in the quote. Modern black/communist controlled SA is NOT the same as the apartheid state (as incredibly flawed as it was).

 

[Seraphim]

Sounds like a good plan.

Yep. The point was, there is no fixing that shit show. Save the GENOCIDE TARGETS and let those communist animals destroy themselves.

Fuck that mess. Save the ones whose families built that country and welcome them.

Oh wait, they are white. It's racist to want to save them.

 

[phill4paul]

I have a friend whose sister, as a peace corp member, married a South African. He's from Namibia. Not sure which city but I think it was Otjiwarango. Abel is his name and they have their own business and a son together. I asked him about "there" and his conversation pretty much went like this... "I'm here now. I am a citizen. I have a wife, a child, a business and a home. There is nothing there I can change except for my mother's and sisters well being. In some ways we are lucky this way. It really does not take much from my family here to help my family there." Something to think about.

 

[Ender]

**At Ender**

Sarcasm?

When white colonists found South Africa, it was empty. It was one of the few places on Earth that essentially had no humans.

False history.

In the 1980s revisionist and liberal historians and archaeologists began to argue against the theory of an empty land. Using new archaeological evidence they were able to show the presence of Bantu like people in the eastern half of South Africa since around 300 AD. They were also able to show that even though there had indeed been a large Bantu migration into the region at a later date, that date was somewhere around the 12th century AD, rather than in the seventeenth century as had been previously argued. Historians began to unpack the ways in which the myth of the vacant land had come into being and were able to show how its emergence coincided with the increasing clashes for land between the Bantu and the British and Afrikaners.

Historians and activists alike also pointed to a glaring omission on the theory of the empty land – the absolute silence on the existence of the KhoiSan (KhoiKhoi and San/Bushman) populations of Southern Africa who roamed much of the south western region of the country. KhoiSan peoples had been living in the region for millennia when the Dutch first arrived. Their plight, and their undeniable claims to the land, gets no reference in the 'empty land theory'.

Myths form an integral part of any peoples understanding of self and their place in the world, and are central to justifying the current distribution of power and resources. The myth of the empty land into which both Bantu and European peoples migrated at the same time, but from opposite directions, arose after the most violent clashes had occurred between the Bantus and the Europeans. Afrikaner nationalists, disillusioned with the British government at the Cape, had migrated out of the Colony and into the east of the country during the Great Trek. The British had encountered vast numbers of Xhosa at the Fish River and had been continuously engaging in battles and treaties with them. By the 1860s, when Woulden propagated his theory, this turbulent period had resulted in large swathes of South African land falling under the dominion of either the Afrikaner Republics or British colonial territory. Both these groups were in a position where a foundation myth which gave them the legitimate right of the land they had claimed was central to their own sense of nationhood.

The Myth of the empty land had become a central tenet of both British and Afrikaner identity in nineteenth century South Africa and had been used as a justification for the capture and settlement of Bantu land. The Apartheid Government had transformed the myth to serve its own ends. They used it to support the Homelands Act and to confine the Bantu people to particularly localities, arguing that the rest of the country had been ‘empty’ and therefore could not form part of their Homelands. Since the 1980s however, evidence has shown that the myth of the empty land simply cannot be sustained. Rather than being historical fact, it is a convenient fiction that has served as a political tool.

http://www.sahistory.org.za/article/empty-land-myth

 

[Swordsmyth]

False history.



http://www.sahistory.org.za/article/empty-land-myth

Because revisionist and liberal historians are so trustworthy?

 

[phill4paul]

Because revisionist and liberal historians are so trustworthy?

So where do your personal facts lead you to believe?

 

[Swordsmyth]

So where do your personal facts lead you to believe?

I have not researched the history of SA, but I would believe the original historians from the old days, a lot easier than revisionist and liberal historians.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Y...meddling... ...grab... ...for decades... ...Get the West outta there!

I know reality is moot for rabid ideologues,
Poor souls whose brains've been hijacked by a viral superbug,
But still, let's look: what hast this "meddling" wrought? Let's catalogue:
Pop. hundred mil. and flat. Came Euros: ag, and mech, and drug,
The wheel, which blacks not only failed invent but to adopt!
Brilliant breakthroughs like not drinking the same place where you excrete,
All this "oppressive" "meddling," now one billion has been topped,
Soon to be 5! then 10! Flooding the world -- isn't that neat?

Ninety percent of blacks owe the White Man their very lives,
But, perk thine ears: dost thou hear "thank you"s? Any gratitude at all?
Warm smiles? Welcome reciprocation? Hands full of flowers? Nay: just knives.
So sure, let's leave, and take our tech. Hundred mil's plenty. Let them fall.

 

[Ender]

Because revisionist and liberal historians are so trustworthy?

The history you trust was written by the winners.

 

[Ender]

I know reality is moot for rabid ideologues,
Poor souls whose brains've been hijacked by a viral superbug,
But still, let's look: what hast this "meddling" wrought? Let's catalogue:
Pop. hundred mil. and flat. Came Euros: ag, and mech, and drug,
The wheel, which blacks not only failed invent but to adopt!
Brilliant breakthroughs like not drinking the same place where one excretes,
All this "oppressive" "meddling," now one billion has been topped,
Soon to be 5! then 10! Flooding the world -- isn't that neat?

Ninety percent of blacks owe the White Man their very lives,
But, perk thine ears: dost thou hear "thank you"s? Any gratitude at all?
Warm smiles? Welcome reciprocation? Hands full of flowers? Nay: just knives.
So sure, let's leave, and take our tech. Hundred mil's plenty. Let them fall.

Uh.....that's the biggest bunch of garbage I've seen in a while. That's like saying everyone here should worship our gov for keeping us slaves to The Machine. Not only was their land taken, blacks were heavily killed off by whiteman diseases- like smallpox- sorta like the American Indians.

And BTW- many indigenous peoples had the wheel- Africa had no horses, so the wheel was not looked at as useful except for pottery.

Try looking from the African's POV

http://www.gov.za/about-sa/history

 

[Swordsmyth]

The history you trust was written by the winners.

And yours was written by subversive liars.

 

[Madison320]

False history.

The Myth of the empty land had become a central tenet of both British and Afrikaner identity in nineteenth century South Africa and had been used as a justification for the capture and settlement of Bantu land. The Apartheid Government had transformed the myth to serve its own ends. They used it to support the Homelands Act and to confine the Bantu people to particularly localities, arguing that the rest of the country had been ‘empty’ and therefore could not form part of their Homelands. Since the 1980s however, evidence has shown that the myth of the empty land simply cannot be sustained. Rather than being historical fact, it is a convenient fiction that has served as a political tool.

From what I've read that's true, the Boers displaced the Bushmen. But the current blacks displaced the Bushmen as well. So neither has a "right" to steal from the other.

Do you think only native people have a right to own land in a given region?

Suppose people of Mexican descent became the majority in the US and they decided that whites should have to surrender their property and move back to Europe, since whites took the land from the Indians. Isn't that similar to whites in SA having to surrender their property?

What if you stopped thinking in terms of groups and focused on individual rights instead?

 

[Madison320]

Uh.....that's the biggest bunch of garbage I've seen in a while. That's like saying everyone here should worship our gov for keeping us slaves to The Machine. Not only was their land taken, blacks were heavily killed off by whiteman diseases- like smallpox- sorta like the American Indians.

And BTW- many indigenous peoples had the wheel- Africa had no horses, so the wheel was not looked at as useful except for pottery.

Try looking from the African's POV

http://www.gov.za/about-sa/history

If most of the problems in Africa are caused by Europeans why are the standards of living higher in the places settled by Europeans?

 

[PierzStyx]

Responses in black

**WRONG**

Blacks in the apartheid state had more wealth then today - cuz they had more food and infrastructure that actually fkin worked.

Yeah. Just GREAT infrastructure.

No, they didn't. Whites held most of the wealth. Blacks were almost entirely isolated to poor ghettos and bantustans.

Also, blacks did control any political power, whites did. Saying blacks had wealth when the majority of it both liquid and in physical assets, private and public, was controlled by whites is the most stupidly socialist thing I have ever heard. Everyone is wealthy when the State is wealthy, right?

That's what happens when you go from a segregated state to one where the majority who don't know what the hell they are doing takes the land from the productive and explicitly says they must die for the color of their skin.

Idiot fearmongering. Know how I know? Because the major race in South Africa is 75% black and only 9% white. If majority wanted to commit genocide there would already be nothing but dead white corpses in South Africa.

And it isn't hard to be "productive" when you can seize the wealth of people through the power of the state and force them to work in your service as whites did in apartheid. Indeed, the "freefall" people talk about in South Africa, the reality is that not much has changed, the reality is just better reported now than it was under a racist apartheid state who had a vested interest in making the nation appear to work to the outside world.

Segregation (while not a good thing) is NOT the same as GENOCIDE.

**EDIT** my response was to your whole statement not just what showed up in the quote. Modern black/communist controlled SA is NOT the same as the apartheid state (as incredibly flawed as it was).

Great think no one is committing genocide.

 

[PierzStyx]

If most of the problems in Africa are caused by Europeans why are the standards of living higher in the places settled by Europeans?

There isn't. Most of Africa was once "settled" -and in reality instead of some idiot fantasy settled here means invaded, dominated, and exploited by brute military force- by Europeans. And teh standard of living varies widely from nation to nation in Africa.

 

[PierzStyx]

I have not researched the history of SA, but I would believe the original historians from the old days, a lot easier than revisionist and liberal historians.

Yes, because people trying to just invading, slaughter, brutally dominating, and exploiting people are unbiased sources. Don't be stupid. You're eating crap as if it were candy.