How would Ron Paul prevent Child Labor?

Cogz

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One of the arguments I hear from Ron Paul skeptics on the left (and a reason we "need a strong federal government") is in reference to the use of child labor during the industrial revolution.

How would have a Ron Paul America handled the subject of child labor? Should children be allowed to work at such a young age? Why, why not?

What about unsafe working conditions. In what ways could we protect workers without interfering unconstitutionally?
 
Firstly, I am not aware that Ron Paul has ever stated that he has any intentions to remove child labor laws.

Secondly, even if he did, you believe the states will allow children to be exploited?
 
Assuming that child labor laws are unconstitutional, I'd imagine that Ron would make it clear that it's unconstitutional and coordinate with states to put their own version into effect before abrogating it.
 
The other way of looking at it is that laws protecting labor rights are often unnecessary, if the conditions aren't good, people can work somewhere else. This is only possible however, with less government regulation, as more government regulation means barriers to market entry which means less options for workers.

The other thing is now is a very different time. People in this country have many more options then sending their kids to a factory for 10 cents an hour, they didn't back then. If the kids want to work, why not let them work, or leave it up to their parents and people hiring them.
 
by legalizing the constitution. if the states don't handle it, it can be amended.
 
Anyone who forces or coerces a child to work is already breaking a law, so why do we need child labor laws?

Do child labor laws mean I can't make my children help rake and mow the yard? Or do chores around the house?

Or if someone has a farm, are children forbidden from doing farm chores?

Or if someone has their own restaurant, are children forbidden from helping their parents run the restaurant?
 
My point was that some say that "freedom" in the way we Ron Paul people view it - doesn't work because it doesn't protect people. (in this case, children).

I meet a lot of people who believe that we need government oversight, we need regulation, we need these protections because they believe that the free market does not work.
 
Anyone who forces or coerces a child to work is already breaking a law, so why do we need child labor laws?

Yep.

Also, fyi, one of the main reasons that unions, among others, lobbied for strict child labor laws is because they reduc competition for jobs from younger workers who would be willing to work for less money. True story.
 
It should be up to the child and the parents. I knew many guys back in the stone-age when I was in school that wanted to work but couldn't get jobs due to 'child-labor laws'. These guys were mostly 14 and 15 year-olds who were perfectly capable of working in restaurants, grocery stores, etc. but were forbidden due to labor laws. Government setting laws about the ages of workers is just as big an infringement on freedom as minimum wage laws are. The nanny state has no more business telling us how old we must be to work certain jobs any more than it does telling employers how much they must pay to get a certain job done.
 
Anyone who forces or coerces a child to work is already breaking a law, so why do we need child labor laws?
Exactly.

Another issue is to what degree the parents control the money earned by a child. As long as a child isn't forced to work that shouldn't be an issue of the government's concern though.
 
Anyone who forces or coerces a child to work is already breaking a law, so why do we need child labor laws?

Do child labor laws mean I can't make my children help rake and mow the yard? Or do chores around the house?

Or if someone has a farm, are children forbidden from doing farm chores?

Or if someone has their own restaurant, are children forbidden from helping their parents run the restaurant?

Bingo.

Besides, this is an issue that would require Congress to be on the same page as the president. Sometimes people forget that we're not electing a dictator (although Hillary might want to change that), we're electing the chief executive of the federal level of government. There are other branches and levels of government.
 
Child labor inevitably comes up when the neophyte to libertarianism wonders how order will be maintained without Daddy Government keeping everyone in line.

There are some things that regardless of your cultural distaste for them, are not immoral. "Child Labor" does not equal child slavery.

When everyone was a subsistence farmer, children helped out around the farm as soon as they were able. There's no reason this shouldn't have a parallel in the industrialized world.

However, when a society reaches a certain level of wealth, it becomes more a matter of preference whether the child works or not. In the same way, without the necessity for workers on the farm, it becomes less of a necessity to have lots of kids, so fewer people have large families. Like the rest of the free market, family size, children, and whether they work are all self-regulating in an environment of freedom. As long as the child is not being forced or being treated unethically, there is nothing to complain about.

I married a woman who grew up working in her parents' shop since she was 7. Obeying child labor laws would have kept her away from her parents, deprived her of the lifetime learning a good work ethic, impeded her from learning all she knows about jewelry, deprived her of the ability to attend a good private college almost debt-free, and kept her from becoming the person she is today.

I see child labor laws as an impediment to the moral development and fiscal prosperity of children who, in spite of not needing to work, would appreciate or enjoy the opportunity to do so at an early age.

I would also eventually do away with truancy laws so the kids incompatible with our tyrannical mass education system can spend their time building their adulthood in more productive ways.
 
The industrial revolution did away with child labor because for the first time in human history it was possible for a middle and lower class families to have enough to live on without children helping out. It also meant that less children would be born because children were no longer an asset to the family but a luxury good.

Since when does Uncle Sugar know how to run my family better than me? He does so well with Washington, DC I'd be really hesitant to take his opinion on much of anything.
 
Nothing would stop a State from declaring that no child could be forced to do anything more strenuous or taxing than playing x-box or nintendo or whatever.
 
To add to all of the well-stated comments, not everyone is going to grow up to be a doctor. If everyone did, we would have a serious problem on our hands. We need people in food service, agriculture, construction, and other such jobs. If we mandate laws that they have to have so much education before they can work, then we are placing costs on our society that are unnecessary. They will get the amount of education they need on their own for the occupation that they will pursue.

I am sick and tired of hearing all of my friends in their 20s and 30s with big college loans and they aren't even doing what they went to school for. It is rediculous to think that everyone should be forced to an education. In fact, it is criminal. And enough of that goes on already in our society.
 
Dr. Paul supports the Constitution. One of the most important (though dormant) clauses is the contracts clause.

Under the basic premises of contractualism, the parties need to be recognized to be old enough to enter into the contract. There is a great body of work from contracts case law.

This is a non-issue.
 
This is an easy one. Move the jobs back to the United States for the things we consume.

If we consume shoes, and we make our own, we dont have to even try to save face by saying we are not supporting some company in Indonesia that works 8 year olds 16 hours a day for two grains of rice. This is an easy problem to solve if we created the jobs here, we'd put the kids out of work. So which is worse, slavery or poverty?
 
Move the jobs back to the United States for the things we consume.

Right. As others have pointed out in this thread, as has Ron Paul, gov't regulation of business has caused the an entry barrier which causes business to move overseas. If we removed the regulation, the entry barrier is removed and the businesses would setup here.
 
What gets me is those who whine about illegal immigrants.

If our kids were working on the farms, etc, there wouldn't be the incentive for illegals to be here.

To top it off, we have an obesity epidemic in our youth, because they don't work.

Yes, we'd be better off if we were "abusing" our kids more!
 
It should be up to the child and the parents. I knew many guys back in the stone-age when I was in school that wanted to work but couldn't get jobs due to 'child-labor laws'. These guys were mostly 14 and 15 year-olds who were perfectly capable of working in restaurants, grocery stores, etc. but were forbidden due to labor laws. Government setting laws about the ages of workers is just as big an infringement on freedom as minimum wage laws are. The nanny state has no more business telling us how old we must be to work certain jobs any more than it does telling employers how much they must pay to get a certain job done.

Yup, I got my first real job when I was 14 working at a restaurant. It was in flagrant violation of child labor laws but I turned out okay. At least mostly;)
 
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