How we can SECEDE from the Union!!

[nate895]

Stop and think. Do we need succession in light of the fact that a lot of other despotic and expansionist regimes exist around the world? And Do we really want to succeed. Trade with dissenters will not come lightly. Are you truly self sufficient?? If you think so turn off your power and phone etc...For 6 months or more. No Washing machines, no electric stoves ( after the fuel runs out for your generators)no phone or internet, No TV, No food, when it runs out. Those with guns will find out that a piece of meat is hard to come by when everyone is hunting. Besides, meat will sustain you for only a short period of time. Do you really want that kind of revolution??? Ask yourselves. This is a serious, lonely and perilous undertaking.
I have read a lot of these posts including the Island concept; Most have been tragically ill conceived, unrealistic (Logistically), and doomed to failure. It makes me wonder the age of the posters and commentators here.

PS. I live in the wilds of Montana and am capable of taking care of me and mine. Are you??? And I support Montana's plight And RP until the end.

Well, that's why you have a full region to secede, each region is totally self-sufficient in power, and it would have access to the sea, the only thing needed to become a truly great nation if you focus.

 

[Ron LOL]

Secession? Oh please. Way to throw the baby out with the bath water. Talk like this is why nobody takes us seriously.

More importantly, seceding is giving up. Great idea, pussy.

 

[nate895]

Secession? Oh please. Way to throw the baby out with the bath water. Talk like this is why nobody takes us seriously.

More importantly, seceding is giving up. Great idea, pussy.

Hey look, no intelligent comeback. Huckabee would have a similar response.

 

[Soccrmastr]

Theres already some popular movements for this.

 

[Paul4Prez]

First, self-government and self-determination are fundamental human rights. The Declaration of Independence was a declaration of secession, so the idea has a long history in America. If a state or several states seceded today, I doubt very strongly that it would turn out like it did in the 1860's, with a war to preserve the union.

That being said, the idea is pretty far out there for most people. There are active secession movements in Vermont, Alaska, Hawaii, and elsewhere, but they are a long way from majority support. To be viewed as legitimate by the rest of the world and accepted by the federal government, the seceding state would probably have to have a citizens referendum, with a super-majority vote (2/3 or 3/4) in favor.

I think our odds of taking over the Republican Party are a lot higher. Only 50% of Americans vote. Only half of those are Republicans. Only 1/5 of those vote in the primaries. In other words, we only need to get 5% of the population activated and voting in the Republican primaries to dominate the Party.

 

[sratiug]

Secession? Oh please. Way to throw the baby out with the bath water. Talk like this is why nobody takes us seriously.

More importantly, seceding is giving up. Great idea, pussy.

Putting up with unconstitutional government is giving up. Our leaders already threw out the constitional "baby". Nobody took the Civil War seriously I suppose? The problems we have today can be traced back to those of the Civil War era.

It's like the school problem. If a teacher could send home a shool kid at any time there would be no disciplinary problems in school. And if the kid could leave at any time he wouldn't be forced to be humiliated by teachers. But some people don't like "easy" answers, when easy answers are really all there are.

War and secession are two entirely different things, one not the logical outcome of the other.

Of course I do agree that it would be easier to take over the Republican party in a few states, but who's to say the rest of the party won't disassociate itself from us anyway? And the logical conclusion to a constitutional government in any state will be extreme conflict with the federal mafia, because a constitutional state government would not allow its guard units to be deployed in this war.

 

[constituent]

The individual state legislatures can vote and pass Secession legislation if they wish (is how they did it the first time)....

But breaking The Union is not the answer, and on this point I agree with Pres. Lincoln. The Sum is greater than the Parts.

The issues we face, are not issues that can effectively be resolved through a breaking of our Union. We can clean out Washington and still keep the States together. Let's focus our energies on building up a third party alternative and take over the congress through votes not bullets.

TN.

that's fine... but leave texas out of it.



small thing, but probably important...

"independence" is likely a better word than "secession"

 

[nate895]

that's fine... but leave texas out of it.



small thing, but probably important...

"independence" is likely a better word than "secession"

Probably, if you want to get traction.

 

[OReich]

Just thought I'd bring this up: I think John Locke was clearly an anarchocapitalist.

And yes, states can legally secede, but law and government are two different subjects.

 

[nate895]

Just thought I'd bring this up: I think John Locke was clearly an anarchocapitalist.

And yes, states can legally secede, but law and government are two different subjects.

How is Locke an anarcho-capitalist, he is for a government that is about protecting people's rights, not no government at all.

 

[constituent]

How is Locke an anarcho-capitalist, he is for a government that is about protecting people's rights, not no government at all.

pandering to the base?

 

[porcupine]

The Free State Project isn't about secession, but since that's a member on your list of prospective targets, I thought I'd mention that the Free State Project has a bunch of libertarians moving there. You would probably be interested http://www.freestateproject.org/

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

It's really not that hard, if you focus on what would need to be done in order for this to happen, it's very doable.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is how I'm pretty sure it works..

There is the State House and the State Senate, just like in the National Congress. Each state has a different amount of representatives and senators, that to my knowledge is NOT based on population.

If we control both sides and agree to secede from the Union, what's stopping us? Will America go to war? If enough states do so, I highly doubt it!

Now if my theory is correct, we ought to use some strategy here, and look at the number of representatives and senators in each state that would enable us to get the most in! Now what would be better for us, a state with a large General Assembly based on population or a smaller one?

Here are some key states I think we should focus on (especially Texas) and their General Assembly number:

New Hampshire: 24 in the Senate and 400 in the House. Population: est. 1.4 million

Vermont: 30 in the Senate and 150 in the House. Population: est. 650,000

Texas: 31 in the Senate and 150 in the House. Population:24 million

Montana: 50 in the Senate and 100 in the House. Population: 1 million.

Have another state in mind? Post it and I'll look it up. I'm getting this info from the 2008 Almanac.

What does this mean for you? Well this all means start preparing for state government!! State government at this point, if you look at it from this angle, much more powerful than federal. Are you interested in politics? Do you feel that you could serve your constituents? Are you a well enough speaker for the job? If you answer any of these with a yes, YOU SHOULD RUN FOR AT LEAST STATE HOUSE. If you are well qualified (ex. Master's Degree, great speaker, etc.) you should run for State Senate.

Are you not interested enough in politics or that field of study? That's ok too!! You can donate to the people running in your state, which is just as important!

Let's use an example here for Texas (a state we should all focus on).. A representative for Texas serves approx. 160,000 people. (24,000,000/ 150) That means you would need to have decent funds/ donors in that state to win, my guess is around 100-150k.

However!, in New Hampshire a state representative serves 3, 500 people!! (1,400,000/ 400). You would need little funds to win that state!


So why secede in the first place?

Because it may just be a whole lot simpler concentrating our efforts in a few states or even one state, rather than trying to focus on the corruption of the whole country! PLUS, this is a plan that is not expected by the elites, this will have them on their toes, and trust me, with enough planning done quickly, we could pull this off.

So what should you do now?? Start sharing ideas in this thread and come up with ideas of your own!!

We don't want to be deadbeat citizens who abandon the children of the United States like the Federal Government. If we really treasure the U.S. Constitution, then we believe that it is the foundation, the gold standard, of this nations wealth.

So, through secession from the Union, we abandon the nation's children and the U.S. Constitution.

 

[Goldwater Conservative]

With cell phone cameras, YouTube, and 24-hour cable "news" nowadays, there's no way I could see the feds marching down to a seceding state and threatening them to fall in line. Would the rest of America really have the stomach to kill their friends and family just because they want self-government? Without the moral issue of slavery, how could anyone justify such wanton slaughter of their fellow Americans?

This idea is definitely worth looking into, because our Founding Fathers fought the Revolution when there were only 4 million Americans spread over the 13 original states. 300 million Americans spread over half the continent, especially with the corporate media and obscene government weaponry that exist today, makes it just too damn difficult to swing the entire country. One state has to lead the way, even if that means (temporary?) secession.

 

[dust of nations]

this might sound brilliant, but it's not. it's merely diverting our time and energy from an actual revolution. if you haven't learned from history you are a fool. what we need to do is educate ourselves on the ideas of freedom, of paul, of jefferson, etc. we need to listen and learn and then lead.

we need each to defeat the system from within.