How to Win the Convention- REAL REVOLUTION

[ronpaulhawaii]

To accomplish great things, we must not only act, but also dream; not only plan, but also believe. - Anatole France

 

[hillertexas]

bump

 

[Publius Freeman]

Ever More Boldly Forward!

Music to my ears...


RP2008!

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

Apathy can be overcome by enthusiasm, and enthusiasm can only be aroused by two things: first, an ideal, with takes the imagination by storm, and second, a definite intelligible plan for carrying that ideal into practice. - Arnold Toynbee:

 

[All Seeing Eye]

Hey Mr/Mrs/Miss/Ms Throat,

Just a few questions:

Given that Dr. Paul recently stated that "We do not know what may come out on the other candidates in the future", can we assume that he knew about Crack Cocaine and his penchant for lobbyists and strange twists of campaign finance?

Can we also assume that this is VERY bad for Crack's campaign and not just a good swipe at a little extra publicity?

Can we assume that Dr. Paul will be taking full advantage of this little "slip" or should we ge the hell on with it ourselves...(no need to answer this one!!!)

Is it possible that the MSM would rather sell a few more copies and a few more adverts in exchange for destroying the new "king" of the GOP? Were they not so instrumental in setting him up that they would allow themselves to undo all of their hard work?

If Crack Cocaine drops what are we looking at?

Huckabee the outrageous liar (I have a Theology degree) , sadist (cooking squirrels in the popcorn maker) and tax-crazed lunatic (see his record) becomes the front-runner?!??!

Surely not, so, what happens next?

Does Romney officially dropping out mean that he cannot re-enter? Giuliani? Thompson? Anybody?

If they can, are we looking at the cheapest way to run for President in history - enter, fail, sit back and wait for all the other candidates to implode - and if so, who stands to benefit the most?

In essence, I believe that we should capitalise on this but I also believe that having an idea of the "plot" is a good idea too!

If we can figure out what the MSM and GOP are up to, surely we can figure out what the best strategy for disaster maximisation is!!!

 

[georgiaboy]

Post information about your state on the sister thread.

GOP Rules By State
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=121886

We have work to do.

I haven't checked to see if anyone's posted for Georgia yet; however, I'm involved with folks in-state who are actively (myself included) engaged in phase 1.

I'll go over to the sister thread and post something to this effect there, with a couple of links to Georgia GOP stuff.

georgiaboy

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

I haven't checked to see if anyone's posted for Georgia yet; however, I'm involved with folks in-state who are actively (myself included) engaged in phase 1.

I'll go over to the sister thread and post something to this effect there, with a couple of links to Georgia GOP stuff.

georgiaboy

Welcome aboard Thanks for joining in.

 

[georgiaboy]

Welcome aboard Thanks for joining in.

I've actually been stowing away for months now
Good to finally feel the fresh air, and do some heavy lifting with the crew.

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

I've actually been stowing away for months now
Good to finally feel the fresh air, and do some heavy lifting with the crew.

(((((((((BUMP)))))))))))

 

[DeepThroat]

Hey Mr/Mrs/Miss/Ms Throat,

Just a few questions:

Given that Dr. Paul recently stated that "We do not know what may come out on the other candidates in the future", can we assume that he knew about Crack Cocaine and his penchant for lobbyists and strange twists of campaign finance?

Can we also assume that this is VERY bad for Crack's campaign and not just a good swipe at a little extra publicity?

Can we assume that Dr. Paul will be taking full advantage of this little "slip" or should we ge the hell on with it ourselves...(no need to answer this one!!!)

Is it possible that the MSM would rather sell a few more copies and a few more adverts in exchange for destroying the new "king" of the GOP? Were they not so instrumental in setting him up that they would allow themselves to undo all of their hard work?

If Crack Cocaine drops what are we looking at?

Huckabee the outrageous liar (I have a Theology degree) , sadist (cooking squirrels in the popcorn maker) and tax-crazed lunatic (see his record) becomes the front-runner?!??!

Surely not, so, what happens next?

Does Romney officially dropping out mean that he cannot re-enter? Giuliani? Thompson? Anybody?

If they can, are we looking at the cheapest way to run for President in history - enter, fail, sit back and wait for all the other candidates to implode - and if so, who stands to benefit the most?

In essence, I believe that we should capitalise on this but I also believe that having an idea of the "plot" is a good idea too!

If we can figure out what the MSM and GOP are up to, surely we can figure out what the best strategy for disaster maximisation is!!!

Given that Dr. Paul recently stated that "We do not know what may come out on the other candidates in the future", can we assume that he knew about Crack Cocaine and his penchant for lobbyists and strange twists of campaign finance?

Can we also assume that this is VERY bad for Crack's campaign and not just a good swipe at a little extra publicity?

The hell if I know.

Is it possible that the MSM would rather sell a few more copies and a few more adverts in exchange for destroying the new "king" of the GOP? Were they not so instrumental in setting him up that they would allow themselves to undo all of their hard work?

McCain was the favorite of the media. Why? Because he's a Democrat. They're doing their best now to try to make sure a registered Dem wins the election. Either way, they win.

If Crack Cocaine drops what are we looking at?

He won't.

Does Romney officially dropping out mean that he cannot re-enter? Giuliani? Thompson? Anybody?

Romney didn't drop out, he suspended his campaign. He holds on to his delegates. He can re-enter.

In essence, I believe that we should capitalise on this but I also believe that having an idea of the "plot" is a good idea too!

It's not a plot. We're strategizing the rules and finding soft spots to our benefit.

 

[WilliamC]

I heard today on a local talk radio show, interviewing a lawyer with expertise in elections, that there are State laws regarding the binding of delegates to their candidates.

Is this true?

I thought it was just Party rules that bound delegates, but if State Laws do, does that mean a delegate that votes against the candidate they are pledged to is subject to criminal prosecution?

 

[DeepThroat]

I heard today on a local talk radio show, interviewing a lawyer with expertise in elections, that there are State laws regarding the binding of delegates to their candidates.

Is this true?

I thought it was just Party rules that bound delegates, but if State Laws do, does that mean a delegate that votes against the candidate they are pledged to is subject to criminal prosecution?

If there are state laws that bind them, then yes, it would be a criminal act.

Show me the law.

 

[cocochavez]

I can't wait to see the news reports on President Paul maybe they will call the scandal Dela-Gate



LARRY KING LIVE asks who do you want to see as a guest lets flood them with RON PAUL requests send an e-mail to [email protected]

 

[Penners]

I thought Romney released his delegates when he endorsed McCain. Is this not the case?

DT - any idea if the RP HQ are going to do any decent advertising... or is this now a total focus on getting delegates and not bothering with the popular vote.

 

[Thomas Paine]

The Michigan Militia stands ready to march on the GOP Convention.

 

[molly_pitcher]

I can't wait to see the news reports on President Paul maybe they will call the scandal Dela-Gate

 

[georgiaboy]

Georgia law

If there are state laws that bind them, then yes, it would be a criminal act.

Show me the law.

From the below details, looks like you've got a misdemeanor on your hands if you violate and/or conspire to violate the terms of the oath made as a delegate in Georgia per Title 21. Chapter 2. Article 5 (boldfaced). Punishments are listed also. Serious stuff.


georgiaboy
edit: and for the record, I'm not a lawyer.
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(Source: Official Code of Georgia
Link: http://w3.lexis-nexis.com/hottopics/gacode/default.asp)
(ed. I'm very impressed this is so readily available online)
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TITLE 16. CRIMES AND OFFENSES
CHAPTER 1. GENERAL PROVISIONS

O.C.G.A. § 16-1-10 (2007)

§ 16-1-10. Punishment for crimes for which punishment not otherwise provided


Any conduct that is made criminal by this title or by another statute of this state and for which punishment is not otherwise provided, shall be punished as for a misdemeanor.

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TITLE 16. CRIMES AND OFFENSES
CHAPTER 4. CRIMINAL ATTEMPT, CONSPIRACY, AND SOLICITATION

O.C.G.A. § 16-4-8 (2007)

§ 16-4-8. Conspiracy to commit a crime


A person commits the offense of conspiracy to commit a crime when he together with one or more persons conspires to commit any crime and any one or more of such persons does any overt act to effect the object of the conspiracy. A person convicted of the offense of criminal conspiracy to commit a felony shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than one year nor more than one-half the maximum period of time for which he could have been sentenced if he had been convicted of the crime conspired to have been committed, by one-half the maximum fine to which he could have been subjected if he had been convicted of such crime, or both. A person convicted of the offense of criminal conspiracy to commit a misdemeanor shall be punished as for a misdemeanor.

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TITLE 17. CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
CHAPTER 10. SENTENCE AND PUNISHMENT
ARTICLE 1. PROCEDURE FOR SENTENCING AND IMPOSITION OF PUNISHMENT

O.C.G.A. § 17-10-3 (2007)

§ 17-10-3. Punishment for misdemeanors generally


(a) Except as otherwise provided by law, every crime declared to be a misdemeanor shall be punished as follows:

(1) By a fine not to exceed $1,000.00 or by confinement in the county or other jail, county correctional institution, or such other places as counties may provide for maintenance of county inmates, for a total term not to exceed 12 months, or both;

(2) By confinement under the jurisdiction of the Board of Corrections in a state probation detention center or diversion center pursuant to Code Sections 42-8-35.4 and 42-8-35.5, for a determinate term of months which shall not exceed a total term of 12 months; or

(3) If the crime was committed by an inmate within the confines of a state correctional institution, by confinement under the jurisdiction of the Board of Corrections in a state correctional institution or such other institution as the Department of Corrections may direct for a term which shall not exceed 12 months.

(b) Either the punishment provided in paragraph (1) or (2) of subsection (a) of this Code section, but not both, may be imposed in the discretion of the sentencing judge. Misdemeanor punishment imposed under either paragraph may be subject to suspension or probation. The sentencing courts shall retain jurisdiction to amend, modify, alter, suspend, or probate sentences under paragraph (1) of subsection (a) of this Code section at any time, but in no instance shall any sentence under the paragraph be modified in a manner to place a county inmate under the jurisdiction of the Board of Corrections, except as provided in paragraph (2) of subsection (a) of this Code section.

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TITLE 17. CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
CHAPTER 10. SENTENCE AND PUNISHMENT
ARTICLE 1. PROCEDURE FOR SENTENCING AND IMPOSITION OF PUNISHMENT

O.C.G.A. § 17-10-4 (2007)

§ 17-10-4. Punishment for misdemeanors of a high and aggravated nature


(a) A person who is convicted of a misdemeanor of a high and aggravated nature shall be punished by a fine not to exceed $5,000.00 or by confinement in the county or other jail, county correctional institution, or such other places as counties may provide for maintenance of county inmates, for a term not to exceed 12 months, or both; provided, however, that a person convicted of a misdemeanor of a high and aggravated nature which was committed by an inmate within the confines of a state correctional institution and sentenced to confinement as a result of such offense shall be sentenced to confinement under the jurisdiction of the Board of Corrections in a state correctional institution or such other institution as the Department of Corrections may direct for a term which shall not exceed 12 months. In all cases of a conviction of a misdemeanor of a high and aggravated nature, the sentencing court shall retain jurisdiction to amend, modify, alter, suspend, or probate sentences imposed under this Code section at any time; but in no instance shall a sentence imposed under this Code section be modified in such a manner as to increase the amount of fine or the term of confinement.

(b) Notwithstanding any laws to the contrary, a person sentenced for a misdemeanor of a high and aggravated nature may earn no more than four days per month earned time allowance.

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TITLE 21. ELECTIONS
CHAPTER 2. ELECTIONS AND PRIMARIES GENERALLY
ARTICLE 5. PRESIDENTIAL PREFERENCE PRIMARY

O.C.G.A. § 21-2-196 (2007)

§ 21-2-196. Qualification oath of delegates and alternates to national convention


Any person selected as a delegate or delegate alternate to such national convention shall file a qualification oath with the Secretary of State pledging support at the convention to the candidate of their political party or body for the office of President of the United States for whom they are selected to support. The oath shall state that the delegate or delegate alternate affirms to support such candidate until the candidate is either nominated by such convention or receives less than 35 percent of the votes for nomination by such convention during any balloting, or until the candidate releases the delegates from such pledge. No delegate shall be required to vote for such candidate after two convention nominating ballots have been completed.

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TITLE 21. ELECTIONS
CHAPTER 2. ELECTIONS AND PRIMARIES GENERALLY
ARTICLE 15. MISCELLANEOUS OFFENSES

O.C.G.A. § 21-2-598 (2007)

§ 21-2-598. Violations of chapter


Except as otherwise provided by law, any person who violates any provision of this chapter shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.

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TITLE 21. ELECTIONS
CHAPTER 2. ELECTIONS AND PRIMARIES GENERALLY
ARTICLE 15. MISCELLANEOUS OFFENSES

O.C.G.A. § 21-2-599 (2007)

§ 21-2-599. Punishment for misdemeanors under chapter


Any person convicted of a misdemeanor under this chapter shall be subject to any one or more of the following, in the discretion of the trial judge:

(1) A fine of not less than $100.00 nor more than $1,000.00;

(2) A sentence of confinement in the county jail or other place of imprisonment for a period not to exceed six months; or

(3) A sentence of confinement in a county correctional institution or other appropriate institution under the jurisdiction of the Department of Corrections not to exceed 12 months.

 

[WilliamC]

Wow, now that's the first evidence I've ever seen of delegates being legally bound to vote for their candidate!

I know this varies by State, but thanks for posting that.

edit: $1,000 and 12 months eh? But the contrary vote would still count yes

 

[DeepThroat]

Post #148

Point taken.

Not everyone will choose to go down that path however everyone should know how it works and their options.

The point of the thread is not to promote dirty politics, but to win the nomination at the Convention.

Each person will decide for themselves how they wish to proceed. The bottom line is, you cannot vote for Ron Paul if you're not there. The votes at the Convention are the ONLY votes that matter in winning the nomination.

The AGs office and the Board of Elections in your state can help you determine if there is a law that dictates you must follow the rules of the party. This is IMPORTANT to know and is all part of the Planning phase.

If a law does exist, please post it.

Thanks georgiaboy

 

[DeepThroat]

State..........................#Delegates

Florida..............................57
Idaho...............................32
Indiana............................57
Kentucy............................45
Montana...........................25
Missourri...........................58
Nebraska..........................33
NewMexico........................32
N.Carolina.........................69
Oregon.............................30
S.Dakota...........................27
Texas..............................140
Utah..................................36
Vermont............................17
Virginia..............................60


Total ................................718

Imagine.
https://voters.ronpaul2008.com/grassroots/delegatesignup.php


Source: RCP