How to Win the Convention- REAL REVOLUTION

Banana said:
That may work for those 'morally bound', but aren't majority of delegates legally bound?
Click to expand...

Each state has its own set of rules, that's why everyone must become knowledgeable with the rules of their state.

State party rules are not the same as the law.

Breaking a party rule is not the same as breaking the law.

Important difference.

Does anyone know of a "law" in their state that says they must follow the rules of the party?
 
Hey DT,

Thank you for inspiring words...I think most of us understand that what you are saying is true...But may I ask what the GOP thinks of Huckabee at the moment? Are they pressuring him to stay in?
 
DeepThroat said:
For the benefit of those that may have missed these points on the thread.

We need to be on the same page if we're all on board.

Our mission: Get the Republican nomination for Ron Paul.
Strategy: Obtaining majority delegates on our side at the Convention.
Tactic: Becoming Delegates and using this position to influence to get votes and vote in our favor, by any means possible.

Steps:
Think.
Plan.
Organize.
Act.
Win!







Do not retreat. Do not be afraid.

Steady mind.

Steadfast heart.

The battle will be fought in St. Paul, Minneapolis. September 1-4, 2008.

THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.

Onward.
Click to expand...

Great Stuff.

Onward!!
 
Hypothetical- many vote for RP, not a majority but a substantial number. They do this regardless of being bound. What happens? Can we effectively "filibuster" another candidate from getting the nominee? Just simply refuse to compromise or vote for another?
 
DeepThroat said:
Each state has its own set of rules, that's why everyone must become knowledgeable with the rules of their state.

State party rules are not the same as the law.

Breaking a party rule is not the same as breaking the law.

Important difference.

Does anyone know of a "law" in their state that says they must follow the rules of the party?
Click to expand...

I see parallels to Jury Nullification but with rules instead of laws. Am I correct?

And yes, I can live with party censure.
 
Deepthroat, I had took it for word from other posters here that some delegates are bound by state election laws, since my state delegates are morally bound.

I googled a bit, but didn't find anything suggesting any law in place. But the problem is that my failure to find one doesn't mean one doesn't exist. Maybe someone more versed will be able to affirm positively.

Even if it was strictly party rules, we have to consider the blowback; in electoral colleges, there are indeed sanctions for faithless electors (albeit nobody has been took to court yet; probably because they didn't change the outcome at all). I don't know if people would want to vote for someone who "stole the nomination", even if the nominee stood for truth, justice and the american way.

I do still believe that we should storm the convention with all delegates we can pick up, whether bound to Paul or other candidates, because Paul will win when he has his supporters there to pass all resolutions, convene committees and whatnots.


Regarding reading up on state rules; here's a good link for both federal and 50 states' law regarding election.
 
mcvac said:
Hey DT,

Thank you for inspiring words...I think most of us understand that what you are saying is true...But may I ask what the GOP thinks of Huckabee at the moment? Are they pressuring him to stay in?
Click to expand...



Keep in mind the role of the party. Their purpose is to get Republicans elected. The same is true for the Democrats.

The party stands behind a presidential candidate once he has won the nomination. Up until that point, it is in theory a let the best man win mindset.

There is a bigger fight than the convention coming up, that's the general election. That's when the fun starts.

The Republican candidates have tried to follow a code of ethics with each other, after all, they're on the same team. the rules change in the GE.

With the fight of their lives coming up in November, I would venture to say that they would prefer Huckabee to step aside, so they can begin the next phase of the election. Beating the Democrats.

IMHO
 
Last edited:
Banana said:
Deepthroat, I had took it for word from other posters here that some delegates are bound by state election laws, since my state delegates are morally bound.

I googled a bit, but didn't find anything suggesting any law in place. But the problem is that my failure to find one doesn't mean one doesn't exist. Maybe someone more versed will be able to affirm positively.

Even if it was strictly party rules, we have to consider the blowback; in electoral colleges, there are indeed sanctions for faithless electors (albeit nobody has been took to court yet; probably because they didn't change the outcome at all). I don't know if people would want to vote for someone who "stole the nomination", even if the nominee stood for truth, justice and the american way.

I do still believe that we should storm the convention with all delegates we can pick up, whether bound to Paul or other candidates, because Paul will win when he has his supporters there to pass all resolutions, convene committees and whatnots.


Regarding reading up on state rules; here's a good link for both federal and 50 states' law regarding election.
Click to expand...

Point taken.

Not everyone will choose to go down that path however everyone should know how it works and their options.

The point of the thread is not to promote dirty politics, but to win the nomination at the Convention.

Each person will decide for themselves how they wish to proceed. The bottom line is, you cannot vote for Ron Paul if you're not there. The votes at the Convention are the ONLY votes that matter in winning the nomination.

The AGs office and the Board of Elections in your state can help you determine if there is a law that dictates you must follow the rules of the party. This is IMPORTANT to know and is all part of the Planning phase.

If a law does exist, please post it.
 
Last edited:
I would be real surprised if you can go to the National Convention without signing some sort of agreement with your state party explaining how you are bound to vote. Violating a written agreement can result in a civil suite, and possible criminal charges that come to mind include breach of contract and felony fraud, depending on how friendly the prosecutor is with the party heads.

I'd recommend checking with a lawyer to be sure you understand the full ramifications of breaking a written contract like that. Not saying it's not worth the price, but make sure you're aware of the full price.
 
Cameron on FoxNews just mentioned that McCain at a 'pow wow', with 'advisors', will choose their 'delegate map'.

More Louisiana style issues?
 
N13 said:
So bound delegates revolt against the system and vote for Ron Paul?

Sounds like a good idea.
Click to expand...

Very bad idea! Don't even consider being a faithless delegate unless we (1) are fully organized and know the vote count, (2) know we can actually win, and (3) know that faithless voting is the only way to win. Otherwise, we create a lot anger from the the party and the public for nothing. (Btw, being a faithless delegate is illegal in many places.)

Even in the unlikely event that faithless voting can work, you still have to consider if it worth it to the reputation of the movement. Unless there is a public outcry for switching candidates, using this tactic would guarantee defeat in November.
 
CJP said:
Very bad idea! Don't even consider being a faithless delegate unless we (1) are fully organized and know the vote count, (2) know we can actually win, and (3) know that faithless voting is the only way to win. Otherwise, we create a lot anger from the the party and the public for nothing. (Btw, being a faithless delegate is illegal in many places.)

Even in the unlikely event that faithless voting can work, you still have to consider if it worth it to the reputation of the movement. Unless there is a public outcry for switching candidates, using this tactic would guarantee defeat in November.
Click to expand...

ITSM, any outcome but an RP nom will guarantee failure in Nov and futher fracture the broken GOP. Will such an action PO the new blood (us)? I don't think so. I, also, do not see how the general public will become angered. In fact, I think the only ones who will be angered are the party hacks who could really use a wake up call.

Please list where this would be illegal under criminal law

Thanks
 
DeepThroat said:
Your Revolution is in its infancy.

Is this your Revolution?

It is your last breath.

We will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not fail. Remember those words.

Your Revolution will not be one of guns and blood, it will be a political Revolution and it will be fought at the RNC Convention.

That is your battle ground.
Click to expand...

Would it be presumptuous to include you in our revolution?:) It's the best post I read on this forum!!
 
Last edited:
But injustice breeds injustice; the fighting with shadows and being defeated by them necessitates the setting up of substances to combat. - Charles Dickens
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Suzu
Want Kari Lake to pull off a win? YOU can help! READ NOW!
Replies
3
Views
1K
Todd
Todd
dannno
Kalshi Legalizes Online Sports Gambling Nationwide, Regardless of Nanny State Laws
Replies
0
Views
309
dannno
dannno
Brian4Liberty
The Musk Revolution
Replies
0
Views
701
Brian4Liberty
Brian4Liberty
I
My advice to Trump
Replies
10
Views
2K
Swordsmyth
Swordsmyth
Suzu
YOU can help Kari Lake win AZ. I tell you how!
2
Replies
21
Views
3K
Occam's Banana
Occam's Banana
Back
Top