How to Win the Convention- REAL REVOLUTION

[ronpaulhawaii]

My bad. I agree the word "protest" was ill-chosen. Support is a better word. That does not negate the need for extra care knowing they will be hoping to cast the supporters in the worst possible negative light, and will do whatever they need to make that happen.

Agreed, we really need to plan/prepare for St. Paul extensively, with precision and style.

The last thing in the world a "democrat" mole wants to see is Paul as the nomineee. They're giddy as hell about McCain and the Huckster.

Cross that one off your list.

People have funny ways of determining the goose is cooked

Still having trouble wrapping my mind around the goose thing:o

I've been thinking about the above point though. ISTM - the GOP leadership is doing everything possible to insure a Dem victory. In that case, why would a Democrat mole want to vote for Paul? ISTM, Paul is the only Republican who can effectively challenge the Dem ticket.

I I am for this being a "sticky post" too. Thank you so much "Deep Throat" for posting this info and for lending your strength.

I imagine we will make a comprehensive sticky as this thread develops...

 

[Hayek's Heroes]

DT,

Welcome to the forums. I do have a question though. If you are truly within the party and there are others like you there, why haven't you or the RNC done something to stop this fiasco? Let's face it. The RNC still pulls the strings and the GOP's downward slide has been happening for years. The Libertarian Party has grown mostly at the detriment of the GOP as true Conservatives have been yearning for party that actually believes in liberty, freedom, the Constitution, and small government. This election is just a culmination of GOP policy and candidate choices that the party has made over several years. A Romney or Guilliani campaign wasn't going to actually change things because I would argue that they weren't really Conservative. They're really not that different from McCain. I won't speak for everybody on the forums, but I know I support Ron Paul because he is the only candidate that truly represents the original intent of the Constitution and the original beliefs of the GOP. This is just my opinion though.

 

[DeepThroat]

DT,

Welcome to the forums. I do have a question though. If you are truly within the party and there are others like you there, why haven't you or the RNC done something to stop this fiasco? Let's face it. The RNC still pulls the strings and the GOP's downward slide has been happening for years. The Libertarian Party has grown mostly at the detriment of the GOP as true Conservatives have been yearning for party that actually believes in liberty, freedom, the Constitution, and small government. This election is just a culmination of GOP policy and candidate choices that the party has made over several years. A Romney or Guilliani campaign wasn't going to actually change things because I would argue that they weren't really Conservative. They're really not that different from McCain. I won't speak for everybody on the forums, but I know I support Ron Paul because he is the only candidate that truly represents the original intent of the Constitution and the original beliefs of the GOP. This is just my opinion though.

why haven't you or the RNC done something to stop this fiasco?

The RNC doesn't see this as a fiasco. It's we the people that are having a hard time of all this.

The job of the party is to get Republicans elected. They gauge who they're going to support based on poll numbers and studies, and try to determine the candidate who is most likely to beat the Democratic contender. Plain and simple.

The political hacks follow the leader and play along because their concern is to keep their positions. They don't make waves and keep the facade of one big happy family. There's also the OPA, otherwise known as the Old Pals Act.

Quite a few are grumbling behind closed doors at this turn of events. Not a whole lot of people are happy about McCain or the alternatives. Unfortunately, many of those grumblers will put a McCain sign in the office window. They are beholden to the party.

It's all about power.

The RNC wants to keep power in the WH and Congress. The hacks want to keep their positions.

I have been open about my support of Ron Paul.

 

[Banana]

If what DeepThroat says about hacks wanting to hold onto their powers is true, it's all the more reason to fill up the delegate ranks with our people.

The more RPR we send there, the better we can dominate the convention, and perhaps even put some RPRs on the Rules committee to see to that the party become much more grassroots-oriented than just another Old Boys' Networks.

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

“It is impossible to win the race unless you venture to run, impossible to win the victory unless you dare to battle.” Richard M. DeVos

 

[Hayek's Heroes]

The RNC doesn't see this as a fiasco. It's we the people that are having a hard time of all this.

The job of the party is to get Republicans elected.

The RNC wants to keep power in the WH and Congress. The hacks want to keep their positions.

Hmmm.... so they've permanently splintered the "Reagan Coalition" and now probably won't be able to take back Congress for years and the polling right now shows that they won't be able to win the WH either. Sounds like they are doing a great job.

 

[DeepThroat]

Hmmm.... so they've permanently splintered the "Reagan Coalition" and now probably won't be able to take back Congress for years and the polling right now shows that they won't be able to win the WH either. Sounds like they are doing a great job.

I think it goes more like... Brownie, you're doing one heck of job.

We know how that turned out.

 

[DeepThroat]

If what DeepThroat says about hacks wanting to hold onto their powers is true, it's all the more reason to fill up the delegate ranks with our people.

The more RPR we send there, the better we can dominate the convention, and perhaps even put some RPRs on the Rules committee to see to that the party become much more grassroots-oriented than just another Old Boys' Networks.

Some of these hacks have made careers out of it.

They do work for the party and get government jobs through the connections they make. It happens at all levels, including municipal and county.

Break in to the system, become a committee person, attend meetings, get active.

The game needs some new players, especially players that aren't connected through their jobs. Those are the ones that become whores.

 

[LEK]

In support of this thread:

I just talked to someone who was at the MI convention. He said it was pretty dismal - a McCain love-fest and low turn out.

Two things:

1.) This person said that the delgate situation was wide open.
2.) Some opportunity to gain ground for Ron Paul was lost because people didn't show.

Encouragement and Admonishment

 

[Banana]

Does state party rule require they be present to be nominated?

I hope others take heed and plan accordingly. We need to fill the ranks for Paul. Paul can't win without his people at convention.

I'm pretty sure he'd like to not have another '412-1' incident, no?

 

[warispeace]

From June, 2007 :"Become a Delegate or Ron Paul will Not be President - by Devvy Kidd"
http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Feature-Article.htm?InfoNo=020018

And: http://www3.webng.com/ronpaul/becomedelegate.html

Same message as Deep Throat.
Wish I had known then what I know now.

We all do. I am so upset with myself that I was not able to become a delegate, I just signed up to volunteer at the convention, and sent my father a link to this thread and to the CT GOP in hopes that he (and perhaps my brother too) may be able to become delegates. I wish I could do more.

"Thank you for your interest in volunteer opportunities for the 2008 Republican National Convention. Please supply us with your name, phone number and email address. If you have sent these three pieces of information there is no need to resend. We will keep your request on file and be in contact with you soon.


Thank you,

Minneapolis Saint Paul 2008 Host Committee"

 

[warispeace]

In support of this thread:

I just talked to someone who was at the MI convention. He said it was pretty dismal - a McCain love-fest and low turn out.

Two things:

1.) This person said that the delgate situation was wide open.
2.) Some opportunity to gain ground for Ron Paul was lost because people didn't show.

Encouragement and Admonishment

Just the thought of a McCain "love-fest" makes me violently ill. What is wrong with these people? Are they insane??? It makes me so angry that the myth of terrorism is fueling this whole thing. If it weren't for that gigantic lie, they could not be getting away with this. The sheeple are running right off the cliff...all for a pack of lies!

 

[warispeace]

The RNC doesn't see this as a fiasco. It's we the people that are having a hard time of all this.

The job of the party is to get Republicans elected. They gauge who they're going to support based on poll numbers and studies, and try to determine the candidate who is most likely to beat the Democratic contender. Plain and simple.

The political hacks follow the leader and play along because their concern is to keep their positions. They don't make waves and keep the facade of one big happy family. There's also the OPA, otherwise known as the Old Pals Act.

Quite a few are grumbling behind closed doors at this turn of events. Not a whole lot of people are happy about McCain or the alternatives. Unfortunately, many of those grumblers will put a McCain sign in the office window. They are beholden to the party.

It's all about power.

The RNC wants to keep power in the WH and Congress. The hacks want to keep their positions.

I have been open about my support of Ron Paul.

Deep Throat-
Don't they see that McCain is unelectable? He is going to blow a gasket any minute now...to me, he looks like he's being set up by the PTB as the designated loser. With all the damage done by GWB & friends, it would take a miracle (i.e. Ron Paul, someone who's anti-war and has appeal across the spectrum) to win on the R ticket. I saw GHWB on the tube today endorsing McCain. IMHO, that should be the kiss of death, an endorsement from that evil SOB. FYI, his Skull & Bones name is "Magog" - the one who battles god in the end times. How charming. I've despised that man for 30 years. If they wanted to win, why did they marginalize the best candidate they had - Ron Paul???

 

[DeepThroat]

Deep Throat-
Don't they see that McCain is unelectable? He is going to blow a gasket any minute now...to me, he looks like he's being set up by the PTB as the designated loser. With all the damage done by GWB & friends, it would take a miracle (i.e. Ron Paul, someone who's anti-war and has appeal across the spectrum) to win on the R ticket. I saw GHWB on the tube today endorsing McCain. IMHO, that should be the kiss of death, an endorsement from that evil SOB. FYI, his Skull & Bones name is "Magog" - the one who battles god in the end times. How charming. I've despised that man for 30 years. If they wanted to win, why did they marginalize the best candidate they had - Ron Paul???

Understand what has happened.

For the past 2 years, polls have shown that Rudy was the only Republican candidate that consistently beat Hillary. He was the favorite.

At least one state that I'm aware of, changed its rules to make the state a winner take all, thinking that they would throw all the delegates to Rudy.

But a funny thing happened on the way to the voting poll. Rudy ran a terrible campaign and got zip.

Days before Super Tuesday, where his sure to win states such as NJ and NY were to vote in their primary, Rudy dropped out. His ego could not bear a possible loss in his home states. Most jumped on board with McCain. He was more recognizable than Romney and a military man, former POW. This is how the average voter thinks.

Once a little time passed and people were able to catch their breath, people became angry and cast their anti-McCain votes in the recent primaries, hence Huckabee gaining delegates.

McCain won the delegates that were intended for Rudy. Built momentum. Romney shut his purse strings and "suspended" his campaign and the rest is history.

The RNC now has to live with the monster they helped to create.

They were thinking this would be a Rudy vs Hillary race.

Looks like a McCain vs Obama, unless of course, we take over the convention.

 

[warispeace]

Understand what has happened.

For the past 2 years, polls have shown that Rudy was the only Republican candidate that consistently beat Hillary. He was the favorite.

At least one state that I'm aware of, changed its rules to make the state a winner take all, thinking that they would throw all the delegates to Rudy.

But a funny thing happened on the way to the voting poll. Rudy ran a terrible campaign and got zip.

Days before Super Tuesday, where his sure to win states such as NJ and NY were to vote in their primary, Rudy dropped out. His ego could not bear a possible loss in his home states. Most jumped on board with McCain. He was more recognizable than Romney and a military man, former POW. This is how the average voter thinks.

Once a little time passed and people were able to catch their breath, people became angry and cast their anti-McCain votes in the recent primaries, hence Huckabee gaining delegates.

McCain won the delegates that were intended for Rudy. Built momentum. Romney shut his purse strings and "suspended" his campaign and the rest is history.

The RNC now has to live with the monster they helped to create.

They were thinking this would be a Rudy vs Hillary race.

Looks like a McCain vs Obama, unless of course, we take over the convention.

DT- Thanks...it makes more sense to me now. Maybe they should stop planning so far in advance and wait and see for whom people actually vote. Can you tell I'm not a Republican by nature? I always considered myself a "liberal" until Dr. Paul came along, but according to the Nolan Chart I'm a pure libertarian. Who knew? That phony "hero" Rudy was the most despicable thug of all, although McCain scares the hell out of me. Wait...they all do, except Dr. Paul. God help us! If we cannot pull this off, we are so screwed!

 

[wowabunga]

So bound delegates revolt against the system and vote for Ron Paul?

When ( and not if ) we do wake up the sleeping masses... it is they who will join us and apply pressure to the "hold out" delegates demanding answers and results.

This proposed march on Washington DC does not educate anyone. Many plans for the DC march lean towards a celebration attitude. I agree 1000% with DeepThroat that we need to win... we are not here to celebrate... yet.

A march on your state capitol from all corners of your state WILL get statewide attention. We've been quietly planning our trek to the state capitol for several weeks and will let you peek at our planning/ideas in just a few days.

My revolution resume....

Our best effort to educate our neighbors....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URTvgfnh1pM

Bill Clinton gets a face full of Ron Paul signs....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvznnt2aCjE

-Ramblin Randy

 

[AmericasLastHope]

St. Paul's Day...it's coming!

 

[Conza88]

Ron gasm!!!!

 

[DeepThroat]

So bound delegates revolt against the system and vote for Ron Paul?

Sounds like a good idea.

There are those who talk about doing and there are those that do.

Can you live with a censure by the party?


Chart your undertaking.

Think - Can this be done? Will I be a part of it? What are the options? Do I have what it takes to make history on September 1-4?

Plan - Gather information for your state. Prepare your questions and contact the GOP in your state on Tuesday. Post your findings here.
www.newr3volution.com/



The mission is to win the the Republican nomination for Ron Paul.

You must be inside the inner sanctum to fight.

It is there that the Revolution begins.

Focus.

 

[Banana]

That may work for those 'morally bound', but aren't majority of delegates legally bound?